news The NBN’s first fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) services have launched in Victoria, bringing upgraded internet services to thousands more homes and businesses in the state.
Launching the service at Pakenham, near Melbourne – the first city to go live under the NBN’s new “faster rollout” – were Minister for Communications Mitch Fifield, Member for McMillan Russell Broadbent and Member for La Trobe Jason Wood.
“It is a pleasure to be here in Pakenham to mark yet another milestone for the NBN rollout after reaching one million customers last week,” said Fifield.
Broadbent suggested the region should take “full advantage” of the network’s arrival and that residents should contact their preferred service provider to “discuss options or place an order for an NBN service”.
“From tomorrow the entire city will have NBN access. That means upgraded internet is available to around 20,000 homes and businesses across Pakenham and Officer,” Broadbent said.
Another 37,000 homes will be connected to the NBN service “between now and September” at centres including Moe, Warragul, Drouin, Wonthaggi and Inverloch, he said.
“My electorate of McMillan will be one of the most connected in Australia,” said Broadbent, who added: “Access to fast broadband at affordable prices can be revolutionary for small businesses, farms and households with students.”
“The NBN rollout is building momentum right across Victoria with construction due to get underway in Narre Warren, Berwick and Ferntree Gully later this year,” Wood said.
The NBN’s FTTN network uses the existing copper lines already already connecting many homes to deliver faster broadband. This enables NBN Co to “dramatically speed up” the network rollout, as well as saving on construction costs.
However, the Coalition Government’s FTTN policy has been criticised as not being as “future proof” as fibre to the premises (FTTP), which brings fibre into the home, or even fibre to the distribution point (FTTdp), which brings fibre closer to the premises than FTTN.
With the Pakenham launch, Fifield took the chance to knock Labor’s record on the NBN rollout in Victoria, saying: “At the 2013 election, under the previous Labor Government, fewer than 20,000 houses in Victoria were connected, despite Brunswick and Ballarat being among the first areas to go into construction in 2010.”
“Our changes to Labor’s original rollout have prevented monthly Internet bills increasing by up to $43 per month; saved around $30 billion in total funding and brought forward the finish date by 6 to 8 years,” the Minister said.
The NBN network is now available to more than 470,000 premises in Victoria, which now includes 226,000 paying customers, according to government figures.
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I wonder what the speeds will be. Pakenham already has access to ADSL2 IIRC.
They also have dialup. Surely thats fast enough for em :)
Don’t they get 12/1 for the first 18 months. Perhaps the good senator could point that out during his gushing praise for this important milestone.
Capped at 12/1 Mbps during the ADSL~ Vectored VDSL2 “Coexistance Period”. But you would never hear about it from the media.
http://blog.jxeeno.com/nbn-fttn-limited-to-121-mbps-during-transition/
Snow it’s not capped that the speed they will guarantee for 1 sec in a day. Once the transfer period is over it will move up to 25Mbps for 1 sec in a day
It’s supposed to be capped during the transition period but that doesn’t seem to be happening consistently.
No Derek O not capped
http://blog.jxeeno.com/incorrect-documentation-fttn-speeds-will-not-be-121-during-transition/
It’s just the there speed guarantee like I said before
Ah nice one Jason, thanks for the link.
You don’t understand the technical details of the article!
The speed is intentionally capped for a technical reason. Vectored VDSL2 cannot coexist with ADSL technologies on the same network at higher speeds because it causes of interference & crosstalk. When the network is completed the limit will be removed and up to 100Mbps (copper <400m) can be achieved, according to tests carried out by Alcatel-Lucent.
I hope this helps
For Fibre-To-The-Basement (FTTB) portions of the network, speed is capped at 25Mbps during the “Coexistence Period”
[PDF] Managing Interference in a Vectored VDSL2 Environment
http://www.commsalliance.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/46901/Managing-Interference-in-a-Vectored-VDSL2-environment-final.pdf
It’s not capped Snow. That is the speed is not capped that is the speed guarantee during the transition for the very reason why ADSL and vdsl don’t mix. So as long as your connection hit 12Mbps for 1 sec in a day during the transition there is nothing wrong with your connection.
Once the transition is done the speed guarantee goes up to 25Mbps instead.
As jxeeno points out its a very confusing statement “So, there you go! If we’re trusting what NBN is saying: Peak Information Rate is now both “not the maximum data throughput” and also is the “minimum guaranteed speed” at the same time. #notconfusing”
It’s why we have people get near 100Mbps during off peak but getting sub 10Mbps during peak times on FTTN ATM.
@JasonK
According to Optus:
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2537378
You are confused Jason.
The speed guarantee and the ADSL/VDSL coexistance period are two completely different things.
The final 12/1 and 25/3 profiles (speed guarantee) and faster speeds, won’t be available to customers until the network segment is completed. NBNCo have made this perfectly clear.
I provided a link in a comment in one of the other articles on Vectored VDSL2 speeds and other details.
http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco2/documents/fttn-construction-fact-sheet.pdf
Then ISP are fake advertising and charging customers on speeds they are not aviable to get yet
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/02/09/nbn-gridlock-fttn-taken-down/
Gratton recently signed up for a FTTN NBN service with Optus, choosing the 100Mbps/40Mbps
“Initially, the resident noted, he was getting very solid speeds — close to 90Mbps.”
“Ping times go from 13ms to around 140ms, download speed decreases dramatically from the average 85Mbps to as low as 1mbps, while upload speeds halve from around 30mbps to 15Mbps,”
You’ve hit the nail on the head right there Jason.
But the problem is that these details would be written up in the contract between the RSP and the customer informed. But who ever reads an ISP/RSP contract. Do you?
The customer should be diligent, making sure that they select the correct plan & speed tier. The RSP and should inform the customer what speed can be achieved at the specific premises which depends on the distance of the copper to the premises from the FTTN cabinet.
There was one case I was following about a month ago. The customer monitored the connection using tools and published a video on YouTube. He then took the issue up with the provider and some time later the RSP rectified a network configuration problem. Problem solved. This was very likely after the deployment was finished on the network boundary.
No doubt there will be further problems, because some customers might not have updated, or failed to select or update approved equipment to hook up to the network eg: modems, security systems and medical devices etc etc. This can screw up a network completely, even on ADSLx.
Alcatel-Lucent claim 40 million VDSL2 deployments since 2007. Most of these deployments have been a stop gap measure while deploying PON technology.
It’s 2016! Passive network deployments are now mainstream.
Chorus in New Zealand dropped FTTN/VDSL2 from their technology mix in 2013 and continued on deploying FTTP. As their FTTN/VDSL2 deployment is a temporary measure, the customers currently on those networks are waiting for FTTP overbuild. Some have been overbuilt already.
In 2012 a number of U.S. telcos petitioned the FCC to remove the old legacy telephone networks and 100% fiber. It’s called the IP Transition. So you won’t be hearing that AT&T, Verizon or CenturyLink etc rolling out copper networks. Instead they are in the throws of decommissioning all copper networks as it does not meet todays ICT innovation
I guess New Zealanders don’t have hearing problems!
I’m actually glad my neighbourhood hasn’t been earmarked for an upgrade.
Gives me hope that my suburb will be put back on the fibre deployment list (It used to be on the ready for service 2016 list before the 2013 election).
So the same as your 20,000 since 2013 then Mitch? Right, got it.
Yes, except LNP’s 20,000 Victorians are using inferior technology to the 20,000 Victorians connected under the Labor Government in 2013. That’s how far we’ve come under the LNP in three years.
Indeed the “cheaper and faster” adult network… “isn’t faster at all and isn’t proving cheaper”…
But at least it’s still inferior.
What a feat eh?
Tinman_au,
So the same as your 20,000 since 2013 then Mitch? Right, got it.
No it’s not the same since 2013, FTTN was only released September 2015.
Time period of Labor FTTP rollout 2010-2013 is three years.
September 2015 – June 2016 is nine months, is nine months the same as three years? – no.
Basic primary school stuff, how to tell the difference between months and years.
You can really type that without feeling like an intellectual traitor, can you?
Please tell me, that FTTN last mile they’re connecting up, what is it connecting to? What is its backhaul network? How does the FTTN last mile connect to the rest of the country and from there, the world? Is it copper from the home, to the junction point, then to the node, and fibre back to what used to be the exchange? Uh huh, and what is the backhaul between that old exchange building? Is it running on Telstra’s network? Oh, no it’s not – it’s the NBN, isn’t it? Its not running on Telstra’s legacy network. It’s running on the NBN’s new network.
Wait a moment, what is the NBN’s backhaul network? Is it free, instantaneous network of fairy dust flowing down a river of unicorn piss? No, that would be stupid, wouldn’t it? Well, no more stupid than the assertion that the £#@&kng FTTN network was constructed in 9 months and comparing that to the NBN construction under Labor and claiming nothing happened in three years. The FTTN connects to a fibre backhaul network called the Transit Network. It took NBN Co around six years to construct across the whole country, and because of the deployment schedule imposed upon it by the LNP and independent senators at the time, instead of constructing the network from the centre out in the most efficient and fastest method possible, they had to deliver to new greenfields estates and random regional areas first and then build backwards.
You can’t connect FTTN to nothing, it won’t work. Similarly you can’t connect FTTP last mile without backhaul or the management systems to run the network. So you also can’t claim that your FTTN network was faster to rollout when you’re comparing last mile to a nation-wide brand new fibre backhaul network and all the systems required to run it, which is what NBN Co had to construct, from scratch, before *any* services would run. It’s not an apples to apples comparison – it’s more like comparing apples to growing an adult human being, who grows up to become a farmer, plants seeds that grow into apple trees, which then grow apples.
Talk about your disingenuous misrepresentation…
“Is it free, instantaneous network of fairy dust flowing down a river of unicorn piss?”
If I could ‘like’ a comment, I would just for that alone.
You’re right of course, but it seems one mustn’t let facts get in the way of rubbishing Labor’s NBN.
Yes I thought stating the facts of the two timelines would hurt, time for some rambling rubbish about all the pre prep for FTTN was done by Labor, classic.
I assume therefore if Labor get in all the pre prep for what ever Labor decide on after their panic midnight dice rolling election NBN policy is released is because of what the Coalition NBN Co did since 2013.
Why change now, please continue with your rambling rubbish.
Answer the question Reality. What is the FTTN connecting to.
Reality: Like most of your arguments, it’s all in the (flimsy) wording. To answer your question, there was *no* FTTN specific pre prep done by Labor. There was the building of a transit network/backbone for nbn services, be they FTTH or FTTx, which the FTTN build could leverage.
Pretty basic primary school stuff, connect the dots:
—copper—. ? .
If you cannot understand that the construction of a transit network/backbone and all of the associated back-end IT systems to run the network takes time, you should really go away and do some research before posting again. Of course, I’m sure all of this has been explained to you before, but you conveniently ignore it as you construct your own reality.
“FTTN was only released September 2015.”
Are you being deliberately sloppy with your wording? So if Labor had called FTTP a trial until Jan 2013, all would be good?
Construction on FTTN was started *WELL* before the official release, helpful facts included below (shocking I know):
21/02/2014: FTTN trial announced (http://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-information/media-centre/media-releases/nbn-co-prepares-for-revised-rollout-model.html)
16/04/2014: Construction for trial begins (http://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-information/media-centre/media-releases/nbn-co-confirms-successful-fttn-speed-test.html)
26/06/2014: 1000 node buildout announced, a ‘trial’ in the loosest sense of the word. (http://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-information/media-centre/media-releases/nbn-co-and-telstraexpandconstructionoffibretothenode.html)
20/10/2014: Network build for 140 suburbs has already begun by this point. “The company today released a list of areas where work is underway…” (http://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-information/media-centre/media-releases/new-technology-speeds-up-nbn-rollout.html)
Question: At what point in the above does the FTTN rollout move from the trial stage to ‘build in progress?’.
Answer: Well before Sept 2015.
Lol devoid
So if we go by devoid standards for FTTP yes it’s taken fttn 3 years for 20,000.
If we use devoid fttn standards on FTTP commercial start was dec 2011. 1 year 10 months.
So devoid labor FTTP wasn’t even 2 years not even close to 3 years as you claim
Basic primary school stuff, how to tell the difference between double standards.
The simple fact remains FTTN was only released September last year.
http://www.nbnco.com.au/sell-nbn-services/new-connections-newsletter/fttn-launch.html
and 20k doesn’t equal 20k…
You really fail at math dude, no wonder our STEM is dropping through the floor…
QAnhd them simnple fact is that FttN STILL (after three years) isn’t living up to it’s “Faster. Sooner. Cheaper” claim…it’s 2016, we should be all on 25Mbps (at least 90% of us)…
The simple fact is we were all supposed to have 25mb by end of 2016.
How is that coming?
Devoid I wasn’t talking about that but pointing out your double standards but please keep the detour up
You mean you don’t want to talk about it, the fact remains.
No devoid is that with your double standards even when you say one thing then used a different measurement for the other. Even if you are half correct still makes your argument invalid because of your double standards.
which fact? The one Malcolm made about us all having 25Mbps by 2015?
Hmm…yeah, broken:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-27/nbn-speeds-promise-check/5543512
Next Reality furphy? :)
Since changed as you know as they cannot make that target, boot them out get Labor in, they always meet their targets.
LOL
Lol devoid or how about the 3 target change in 2014 and then claim to hit a target
Lol
Seeing how low the LPA have set it, yeah, I don’t expect they’d have any trouble at all :o)
Ok, 20k isn’t the same as 20k…
whatever genius….
Ah, ok, so Malcolm was going to release a fully rolled out (and costed. planned, et al) Fttn after only one year?
I see.
Guess he mega failed then?
Our changes to Labor’s original rollout have prevented monthly Internet bills increasing by up to $43 per month; saved around $30 billion in total funding and brought forward the finish date by 6 to 8 years,” the Minister said.
How? It’s not like nbn are a majority MTM service provider.
The usual LPA tactic, build a strawman out of fantasy numbers and then proceed to attack the opposition based on something they weren’t actually doing, or a situation that never was or would be.
“Our changes to Labor’s original rollout have prevented monthly Internet bills increasing by up to $43 per month”
While Labors’ model proposed price decreases over time, the Liberal model has actively increased bills by $10-$20 per month.
“saved around $30 billion in total funding ”
What they’ve done here is claimed that since the government has capped spending at $29.5b they are no longer responsible for the other $30b CP16 estimates will be needed.
So in other words, they are STILL selling themselves on a ‘fully costed’ policy that can in no way be completed due to financial constraint AND three years on they still have no idea how to acquire private funding.
While patting themselves on the back for ‘saving’ money that they aren’t directly spending.
On a project that can only fail as a result.
They are patting themselves on the back for spending $29.5b on a project that provides no projected way to not fail.
This treason requires a Royal Commission.
“brought forward the finish date by 6 to 8 years”
And this is an outright Alain-quality lie; estimating a completion date for a project not going ahead and comparing it to the completion date of a project they stopped 3 years ago.
I’m still waiting for construction to begin in Dandenong North
Where’s the rebuttal of Fifield’s claims of $43 per month savings, $30billion cheaper, and 6-8 years sooner?
IIRC all three claims have repeatedly been shown to be false.
Our changes to Labor’s original rollout have prevented monthly Internet bills increasing by up to $43 per month”
While Labors’ model proposed price decreases over time, the Liberal model has actively increased bills by $10-$20 per month.
“saved around $30 billion in total funding ”
What they’ve done here is claimed that since the government has capped spending at $29.5b they are no longer responsible for the other $30b CP16 estimates will be needed.
So in other words, they are STILL selling themselves on a ‘fully costed’ policy that can in no way be completed due to financial constraint AND three years on they still have no idea how to acquire private funding.
While patting themselves on the back for ‘saving’ money that they aren’t directly spending.
On a project that can only fail as a result.
They are patting themselves on the back for spending $29.5b on a project that provides no projected way to not fail.
This treason requires a Royal Commission.
“brought forward the finish date by 6 to 8 years”
And this is an outright Alain-quality lie; estimating a completion date for a project not going ahead and comparing it to the completion date of a project they stopped 3 years ago.
Well they have removed the option for users to spend more money on higher speed packages by simply not making high speeds available.
Lying sack of sh!t!!!
#PutLibsLast
All those claims are lies, whilst none of them are lies.
Our changes to Labor’s original rollout have prevented monthly Internet bills increasing by up to $43 per month”
While Labors’ model proposed price decreases over time, the Liberal model has actively increased bills by $10-$20 per month.
Not a lie : their changes to the original rollout have indeed prevented bills increasing $43 per month.
A lie : their changes to the original rollout have increased bills by about half that amount.
Their folly : using the term ‘up to’
Conclusion : Lie.
“saved around $30 billion in total funding ”
What they’ve done here is claimed that since the government has capped spending at $29.5b they are no longer responsible for the other $30b CP16 estimates will be needed.
So in other words, they are STILL selling themselves on a ‘fully costed’ policy that can in no way be completed due to financial constraint AND three years on they still have no idea how to acquire private funding.
While patting themselves on the back for ‘saving’ money that they aren’t directly spending.
On a project that can only fail as a result.
They are patting themselves on the back for spending $29.5b on a project that provides no projected way to not fail.
This treason requires a Royal Commission.
“brought forward the finish date by 6 to 8 years”
And this is an outright Alain-quality lie; estimating a completion date for a project not going ahead and comparing it to the completion date of a project they stopped 3 years ago.
“brought forward the finish date by 6 to 8 years” — hang on. If their bucket of $29.5b runs out soon, and they cant find private funding, then the project could end at that point. 6 to 8 years before the claimed 2021 to 2024 dates previously cited.
Dont call them on that one yet, they may just make their “brought forward the finish date by 6 to 8 years” claim…
But Labor estimating a finish date of 2021 in 2013, despite cutting 50% from the rollout targets at the end of their failed FTTP rollout is gospel because….?
They were I’m the initial rollout phase. The full speed rollout would cover in one month what took 18 months during the initial construction phase, because of economies of scale and because all the background work like the Transit Network and management systems would already be in place. The delays during the initial rollout could easily have been absorbed during the full speed rollout.
With every subsequent Labor NBN Co CP release from the original they kept cutting back on targets, they said they would make it up in the next forecast period but they never did, they just kept on cutting the targets.
Finish it with 93% of residences with active FTTP by 2021? yeah no worries, we are still on track!!
LOL
Coalition had a target in 2013 for 25Mbps for by this year. Despite cutting 50% from the rollout targets 3 months in. Then another 50% 2 years later for a total 75% missed target.
There fixed it for you devoid
Four stats all wrong, a record I think, congrats.
Please devoid go ahead prove me wrong I won’t expect a reply
Um…yeah, whatever Reality…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-27/nbn-speeds-promise-check/5543512
Seriously, I still want to know what colour the sky is on the planet where you live?!
Yeah, almost beats yours hon ;o)
As usual alain, you miss the point. Estimated due date by Liberal standards is 2021, by most others is around 2024 for a MTM build. There are enough reports and opinions on this for you to go crazy over, thats just the range.
So if they run out of funding, and cant find any more, what are the options? Either cough up more cash, and go against their original claim of $29.4b and not a cent more, or stop, which means the project ends right there and then as far as the NBN Co is concerned.
Probably gets sold off and continued privately, but the NBN as we know it would likely be history. Not sure how Labor’s projected completion dates come into the Liberal plan at that point, but you’ve make crazier statements over the years.
Keep it up, its entertaining.
“Four stats all wrong, a record I think, congrats.”
Please show us (for the third time to go unanswered) where the Coalition detailed their policy of ’25Mbps to some by 2020′ prior to the 2013 election.
Excellent catch GG, I missed that one :)
Its a cynical view, and one I dont really expect, but its still possible, and technically it would meet their statement.
More surprised at the following comments to be honest.
“Broadbent” is a good alternative name to “fraudband” when describing the MTM.
Now, how much further along would they have been if they hadn’t stopped all the FTTP rollouts that were about to begin? A lot of those areas had already had pit and pipe remediation and had been roped for fibre, then all work halted once the Coalition took over.
The way the ramp up was going NBN Co would have passed more than 3 million homes with FTTP by now!
#PutLibsLast
Yes, at that rate FTTN needs to have completed rollout in about 2 years to have saved any time at all. But no, Malcolm knows best, all these hold ups that were mentioned to him pre-election and he and his lackey Lynch attacked anyone who mentioned them, well, they happened…
Yep, as usual they just rewrite history and invent a new timeline so “the public” will be none the wiser.
DO,
The way the ramp up was going NBN Co would have passed more than 3 million homes with FTTP by now!
LOL the infamous ‘ramp up’, cutting targets by 50% from original estimates is a ramp down.
Goodo devoid, keep on ignoring what was actually happening! Lucky for us we have proof that the libs flatlined the ramp up of FTTP.
https://twitter.com/dcoopes/status/735372161725124608
This is what actually happened.
Credibility blown: NBN Co wildly revises targets again
The National Broadband Network Company has revised its fibre to the premises rollout forecasts dramatically down for the third time in six months, with the company now projecting that only 729,000 premises will be passed by its fibre by the end of June 2014, a little over half of what it was projecting in August 2012.
https://delimiter.com.au/2013/09/25/credibility-blown-nbn-co-wildly-revises-targets/
That does nothing to disprove the ramp up actually got killed by the Libs.
Back under your bridge devoid!
DO’s interpretation of a ‘ramp up’.
NBN Co wildly revises targets again
‘ At the time, NBN Co chief executive Mike Quigley, who has since flagged plans to retire from his role, said the company was “accountable” for the delay, but was disappointed with its failure.’
LOL
Troll much devoid?
So the LPA “revised” it down three times, and?
Wish I could do that with my KPI’s at work :/
LOL, the infamous “25Mbps to all Australians by 2016”..
How is that going BTW? I’m looking forward to a MASSIVE ramp up soon…
That pre election target was changed and published at the time by all media including here in Delimiter.
It seems everyone knows that except you.
Another broken promise by the Coalition.
Yet you claimed labor missed targets by 50% but the coalition missed there’s by 75%
I’d still rather an FTTP network that was running behind, than an FTTN network that was running behind.
So, we have a pre-election “revision”, a post-election “revision” (didn’t they do that twice?) and now they are scrambling to decrease the already woeful transparency…
Great job they are doing….not…
The Ode to Fifield.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4RHZ1ssCBA
Title should read: GimpCo takes first dump on Victorians.
Indeed HC but going by their bosses promise, they should almost be finished not only dumping on Vic but dumping an all of Australia and all Australians by now, shouldn’t they…
Dunno mate, that was a hell of a curry they ate with Tony.
Wasnt it the Vic state Liberals who were the first in line to state their electorate didnt need FttP?
yep, and thank God we kicked them out after only 1 term, they were totally useless!
Indeed Gav, also Victoria changed from opt-out to opt-in for FttP
https://delimiter.com.au/2010/12/31/its-policy-victoria-rejects-nbn-opt-out/
Now I’d like to opt-out of FttN but cant do that, I will be forced onto it…
What does your Labor candidate for your electorate say you will get if they win Government?
Your comment is invalid.
Yes I can imagine that’s what they would say.
Your comment is retarded.
You’re being kind HC, that’s not like you, you evil left tard!!!!
*is evil left tard too, not meant to offend*
So you think they’ll win??? Interesting!!
Commiserations to Victoria. You were spared for so long, but death catches us all.
We should vote these clowns out before FTTN catches the rest of us then. They will never listen so it is the only way.
So what is Labor going to do for you, have you been sent their election policy to approve?, no one so far has a clue what it says.
Typical Liberal line: claiming credit for Labor initiatives when they finish during an LNP term (2 million NBN connections anyone?), then bagging Labor for being in government when stupid LNP initiatives reach their disastrous conclusion with Labor in power.
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/06/03/nbn-launches-first-fttn-connections-victoria/#li-comment-742321
@Reality
The post you quote means nothing, Malcolm revised it down three times after that….
Well boot the Coalition out then, Labor will fix it, they have the runs on the board from the 2007-2013 era, they certainly know how to axe targets, and after all they have had three years to think about their ‘failed construction model’.
Second time lucky eh?
Well, the certainly couldn’t do any worse than Malcolm’s mess lol
You tell me ;o)
I assume they’ll actually have a properly costed plan, that’s well thought out, or should they rush it like the LPA did and just claim “fully costed”?
Really getting desperate Reality.
Labor are going to bring an NBN with “more” fibre.
At this point, compared to the MTM even a vague statement like that is fantastic.
THAT is how bad the MTM is.
Wont happen Beema, most Aussies think they are rich and the LPA is backing them, where the reality is the LPA only back those on $200k+ a year.
Don’t believe me? Check their policies http://www.solepurposetest.com/news/government-lower-div-293-threshold-180k/
Downgraded services, I mean the same service. These people will be the last to get fibre, they are stuck on ADSL. The Liberals blew all the money to change it.
How many people are going to be complaining about downtimes now I wonder ?
If they accept this faulty ADSL crap they are trapped. They are doing a disservice to businesses and the economy if troves of people don’t start asking for fibre connections.
“upgraded internet services”
I LOL’ed
NBN Co trucks all around my City (Wagga Wagga, NSW) i have been stopping and asking if they can stop work because i don’t want FTTN, im happy to wait until after the election when the Libs get booted out.
What did the workers say when you told them to stop?
I didn’t tell them to stop, i asked but nevertheless i don’t think they really understood why i was asking them to stop.
You do realise that anything in advanced planning, let alone construction work having begun, will continue regardless of a change in government, right?
You mean like all the FTTP rollouts that weren’t cancelled late 2013-early 2014?
Kunty,
i have been stopping and asking if they can stop work because i don’t want FTTN, im happy to wait until after the election when the Libs get booted out.
So what have Labor promised you will get?, you will need to move to three small towns in West Tassie to get promised Labor NBN FTTP, but they didn’t say when though.
More fibre.
What have the LPA promised in 2016? zip….
No no.. More FTTN. Good move Liberals. Good move.
FTTdp in the offing, a perfect way to dig yourself out of the hole you dug… and nope… too pigheaded and right wing to do it.
More fibre than the libs.
I certainly know if I have a choice between more fibre, and less fibre, I will choose more.
EVEN IF its only a single house more fibre, it means when I move and am looking at available internet services, I know which houses I will look at.
I’m in Pakenham and already have FTTP via Openetworks in my estate. I think it’s crazy they are building NBN in my estate. A few days ago NBN roll out showed it was in progress for my street but today it says it is not available. What is the minister talking get about it will be available to all 20,000 homes??
It’s gone from in progress to not coming in a few days.
lol
Garbage in, garbage out.
The fool forgets about Ballarat an outer outer Melbourne commuter suburb does he?
Delimiter headline May 18th, 2016; “Great news”: Fifield launches FTTN near Ballarat
Clearly a sad case of election promise mental verbal tongue fatigue! lol
Depends who is saying Pakenham is the first for Victoria.
Ballarat a well known Melbourne outer outer commuter suburb since the sixties. Long before urban sprawl development enveloped a small country town called Pakenham on the long road to Sydney.
Digital Divide: NBN could split city
link: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/digital-divide-nbn-could-split-city-20130408-2hghu.html
Say reality what brand of fairy juice do you drink?
Can I buy it by the case, at the local 7/11 slave labor sweatshop? lol
You can’t milk a bull.
You don’t get the meaning of my response do you?
Keep up the good work.
So what exactly is their NBN? What did they achieve in three years? How hard were they on Labor? Yet it took three years to roll out the first FTTN connections. And HFC won’t begin rolling out until June. They did virtually NOTHING FOR THREE YEARS. #FRAUDBAND
The real sting will hit Aussies once the election is over, and we’re all scratching our heads, thinking… We paid how many billions for this network that provides barely anything faster than ADSL does?
“We paid how many billions for this network that provides barely anything faster than ADSL does?”
ADSL eh? not even ADSL2+, do you live next door to a Telstra exchange with your own dedicated piece of copper straight into your DSLAM.
FTTP fans prone to over the top crazy nonsensical exaggeration? yep all the time.
lol
“ADSL eh? not even ADSL2+”
ADSL refers to a class of specifications that include ADSL2+. You seem to be thinking of ADSL1.
“FTTP fans prone to over the top crazy nonsensical exaggeration? yep all the time.”
Look up the Dunning-Kruger Effect, then look in the mirror. You don’t even know what you don’t know.
Which leaves off the point that you were trying to avoid. That VDSL is a totally inadequate upgrade from ADSL.
That VDSL is a totally inadequate upgrade from ADSL.
No one mentioned VDSL as a point until you did, as it being ‘inadequate’ why, because you say so?
So you contest VDSL is the best thing for the next 25 years?
When/what do you expect to upgrade to after that?
Well here is yet another thing you apparently don’t know, FTTN runs VDSL. When someone mentions FTTN they are referring to VDSL. Unless you know of another technology that FTTN will be using?
And yes, VDSL includes VDSL2.
VDSL is inadequate, in that given current data usage trends, it’s maximum possible throughput is inadequate for use beyond 10 years from now. That plus the fact that the technology is a dead end with no upgrade path.
VDSL is inadequate for any sort of serious distance from the node.
Well…you’d have to, to get decent internet with FttN, wouldn’t you? Al they are really doing is moving the exchange closer to you.
Even with ADSL this is what you have to ….look forward to….https://crowdsupport.telstra.com.au/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/4232iA9A752F672584D42/image-size/original?v=v2&px=-1
Well devoid the NBN is now only required to deliver 25Mbps on for 1 sec in a day doesn’t matter if you paying for 25Mbps or 100Mbps. That’s 1Mbps faster than ADSL2+ max speed.
@ alain
… do you live next door to a Telstra exchange with your own dedicated piece of copper…
How ironic you would ask Tommy this…
Do you have a node outside your place?
Because when the debacle known as FTTN rolls by to get those last millennium speeds, good old Mitch espouses, you may need to.
Oh sorry you said the vast majority of Aussies are and will be happy with ADSL only a few years back to argue FTTP wasn’t necessary, didn’t you?
Again the irony (I won’t say stupidity, that’d be mean) of such a comment… now compare ADSL to FTTN… it actually makes your comment somewhat pertinent, now…lol
“before roads there were no roads” eh?
You’re welcome
We were all scratching our heads back in 2013 when they announced their clusterfuck brainfart.
“25 megs is going to be enough, more than enough” they said.
25mbps download speed for “every household and business” in Australia by the end of 2016 they said (209 days to go btw)
$29 billions they said (now $56 billions)
Nailed it. Coalition clowns cant help being the clowns they are.
Damned straight.
Oh, and “nailed it”.
Wrong on one point. they did useless trials with one user connected showing SYNC speeds of ~100/40. One user. hahahaha.
You know what. When they introduced the stupid MTM many areas got cancelled from pre-planned rollout map. Was slated to get it round about last year. Now its next year on legacy technology.
it’s inconceivable. Sell Telstra and public comms assets. Buy it back in degraded state with plans for our future digital economy based on this rotten copper. They’re just covering their asses.
I still remember. Destroy the NBN. Faster cheaper sooner.
“Wrong on one point. they did useless trials with one user connected showing SYNC speeds of ~100/40. One user. ”
After 4 tech visits to get it working right, no less.
Delimiter printing a LNP spin piece as “news”…
Renai is back on form publishing press releases as fact. Must be an election.
Not only that, he’s letting a Liberal Party troll run rampant in the comments, lying through his teeth. Meanwhile if you post a comment with facts about Turnbull’s wank of an MTM, Renai will ban you.
I suggest people stop reading this garbage hack’s work & rely on people who actually have ethical standards
I suggest you feck off…or at least start posting something of actual substance.
It is garbage. Renai will ban me now???
This article was posted by Daniel Palmer, unfortunately Dan’s work does seem to be in need of a quality uplift.
Daniel is hired to buff out the news with press releases, he is not paid for opinion.
That may be true, however I think he’s missing the mark, we don’t need more press release journalism imo.
Dan writes the basic news that I don’t have time to. He does a very good job at that! One of the best writers I have ever worked with.
I do the in-depth and more controversial stuff and write books ;)
“Meanwhile if you post a comment with facts about Turnbull’s wank of an MTM, Renai will ban you.”
[Citation Needed]
Looks like Bogus Co are advertising FTTN service in Victoria but several can’t connect.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2362733#r50608260
FTTN max attainable speed under 10mbit
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2537378
Reminds me of the biggest fraud in American history. Remember Enron?
Quote from second link:
Jesus wept.
So much for Malcolm’s:
That’s all right. No biggie (coughs) It only justifies one the reasons why I have Australia listed as a number one Threat and a Risk on my Business Plan’s Swot Analysis
I’m thinking of renaming the Australian Government to “Gronks That Got Dropped On Their Heads Too Many Times When They Where Babies”
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