FTTN rollout hits 50,000 homes in record time

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news The NBN company today revealed its Fibre to the Node infrastructure was ready to be used at some 50,000 homes, a milestone that it reached just 51 days after formally launching the infrastructure in September.

The original Labor vision for the NBN called for a near-universal Fibre to the Premises rollout, which would have seen fibre deployed all the way to almost all Australians’ premises. However, the Coalition’s model for the NBN has significantly watered down that model and will see fibre deployed only partially to many customers’ premises, re-using the copper and HFC cable networks belonging to Telstra and Optus.

The NBN company formally launched its FTTN commercial services on 21 September this year. It appears that the company had been deploying the technology for some time previously in its early rollout areas. It conducted two trials of the FTTN technology in 2014 and 2015.

A spokesperson for the company said this afternoon that the company had already reached some 50,000 premises, with 1,000 customers already using services over the FTTN infrastructure.

Communications Minister Mitch Fifield said the 1,000 connected premises milestone had been reached just 51 days after the formal launch of FTTN commercial services in mid-September.

“In comparison, under the previous Labor Government, the first 1,000 homes took more than 15 months to connect to the Fibre-to-the-Premises network,” Fifield said.

“Unlike the Fibre-To-The-Premises rollout under Labor, which was plagued by delays because of construction complexity, the Coalition’s multi-technology mix largely removes the need for in-home rewiring or civil works on private property.”

Fifield did not mention, however, that the speed of the FTTN rollout was based on several additional factors. For example, it has actually taken the NBN company more than two years to reach the milestone. The company first started examining the FTTN technology in the wake of the September 2013 Federal Election, when the Coalition took power and and changed the NBN’s model.

In addition, the rapid rollout of the FTTN network would not have been possible without the grounding work that went into setting up the NBN company over the first several years of its life.

Fifield said the NBN network— “in which FTTN plays a vital role” — was essential for Australia’s digital evolution.

“Everyone will benefit from faster, more reliable internet connections, no matter how many people within the household are using it—using the broadband network to be more productive, more creative, more efficient and more connected for years to come,” the Minister said.

“NBN’s faster and more reliable broadband also means businesses such as Hunter Water Sports, a kayak and water sport accessories retailer in Newcastle, enjoys a seamless switch-over to the NBN network.” Hunter recently conducted an interview with the NBN company regarding its switch.

“From February 2016, NBN is aiming to offer faster broadband to between 60,000 and 100,000 premises each month on the FTTN network,” Fifield said. “The only additional equipment required is a modem suitable for the super-speed vectored VDSL which internet providers can send to their customers on request for free.”

However, it hasn’t proven entirely problem-free for customers or retail Internet service providers to deploy the FTTN technology to customers. Delimiter has chronicled some of the issues in our regular column for Delimiter Members, The Inside Track.

Image credit: Office of Minister Fifield

158 COMMENTS

  1. I’d make two points there, do those figures include FTTB premises? NBNCo has a habit of rolling them into the numbers it quotes for the street-side FTTN rollout. And just because a premise is connected to a node it doesn’t mean that it can be connected to the NBN quickly. We’re still waiting to see if labour shortages and remediation issues will cause significant delays.

    • They do seem to keep combining the two in documents like the Corporate Plans, so it wouldn’t surprise me if the same was happening here.

      Typical dodging and weaving.

  2. Setting aside the two years it took to get to the launch date, which Senator Fifield seems to have missed, 1000 connections in 51 days is just less than 20 connections per day.

    Stunning.

  3. So nothing about what ballpark download/upload speeds these 1000 customers are getting. And how reliable their connections are.

    Speed and reliability is what needs to be answered.

    • Exactly.

      Revenue is going to suffer because people won’t be willing to pay for a 100Mbit line speed if all they are getting is 60Mbit, they will just pay for 50Mbit and lose the extra speed they might get, but also save money.

    • I just assumed when he said Everyone will benefit from faster, more reliable internet connections, no matter how many people within the household are using it he was talking about FttP…

  4. Nothing like loading up Delimiter and reading a depressing article to help you get through the Wednesday afternoon.

    • You feel my pain. I wanted at least some part of a $50+ billion project to make me feel good. Oh well.

      • Well, potentially ready for service. Who knows how much work needs to be done to the copper once they cut it and connect it to the node to get it working.

      • I’m not exactly sure how ‘ready for service’ would work in the context of FTTN. As I understand it, the VDSL technology used requires all endpoints on the cable to be capable of dealing with crosstalk, otherwise performance is severely impacted. Any voice services would have to be disconnected otherwise they would cause a lot of interference on the trunks heading out to premises.

        NBNCo says you need a VDSL modem and the service provider will provide you with one, I wonder if everyone on the FTTN node has to upgrade at the same time?

        So I seem to think ‘ready for service’ would mean ‘already serviced’, you’d expect to hear more about it from the people getting the service.

      • “The 50,000 figure refers to ready for service.”
        They’ve had technicians come to those 50,000 premises 4 times each, like the PR-stunt trial? That IS impressive.

    • Well, they can’t get 50,000 in 51 days any other way. At least premises passed under FTTH has some meaning, under FTTN it means someone has dropped a cabinet somewhere within a km of your house.

  5. > The NBN company today revealed its Fibre to the Node infrastructure was ready to be used at some 50,000 homes, a milestone that it reached just 51 days after formally launching the infrastructure in September.

    > “In comparison, under the previous Labor Government, the first 1,000 homes took more than 15 months to connect to the Fibre-to-the-Premises network”

    Yes, 51 days after launching the infrastructure… but rollout and build had commenced over a year before the launch.

    All areas activated to date show that areas are taking 7-13 months to build — no better than Fibre to the Premises. Future projection show a pretty standard 12 month build timeframe, again — no different from Fibre to the Premises.

    So spinsters are spinning away as usual :)

    • Yep, more lies from the libs, I’m shocked I tells you shocked!

      In all seriousness I’m pretty sick of these lying clowns, we seriously need amendments to our constitution to protect us from dishonest politicians!

        • Same but considering they are by far the most dishonest party* in Australia, it would never happen.

          *you cant win power based on neo-liberal policies, you need to lie your way into power as Abbott proved so nicely!

  6. It took me a couple of week to build a house. Well paint they had been building for a year but I only launched the build the a couple of weeks ago.

    • Was going to say similar. Its like they only started counting when the building was built to lockup.

  7. Let’s be clear about some dates here, because I’m fairly certain that Senator Fifield is using the NBN Tasmania Trial as the inclusion to his 1000 connected users, and not after the product launch in Armidale.

    12 Mar 14: 1st Node lands in Woy Woy Trial Site
    21 Mar 14: NBNCo signs letter of intent with Telstra to design and install initial 1000 Node FTTN sites
    26 Mar 14: NBNCo raises Purchase Order for Cabinets used in Belmont 1000 Node Trial
    16 Apr 14: NBNCo publishes 1st connection in Woy Woy trial (non user based)
    22 Aug 14: NBNCo publishes results of trial in Woy Woy
    02 Oct 14: 1st Node lands in Belmont 1000 Node Trial Site
    21 Sep 15: 1st SAM in Belmont goes RFS under 1000 Node Trial
    16 Dec 15: Government states 1,000 active connections on 50,000 RFS (2% takeup)

    Overall the Senator is again misrepresenting the activity and speed of the government deployment. The sites in RFS now were initiated in March 2014, 20 months ago, before the trials even had users connected. It also wouldn’t surprise me if FTTB connected users are being lumped in with FTTN.

    Now the risk that Fifield and NBNCo face is that the Telstra design are delayed and behind schedule in NBNCo approving the designs. In addition NBNCo still do not have agreement with Power Supplies in all locations after this time, which I’ve heard is the reason why some locations are not seeing FTTN moving from Build Prep to Construction.

  8. “…it reached just 51 days after formally launching the infrastructure in September…”

    But two years after starting to work on it…and 2.5 years since coming to power…forgive me if I don’t get all excited…

    • I don’t think you realise just how exciting it really is Michael. At that rate the GimpNode part of the patchwork noodle network will be completed in 2029.

      • 50k in 51 days is still pretty slow in the grand scheme of things too (FttP NBN Co was twice as fast near the end of the fibre rollout when it was slowing down lol)

      • with home and business premises – call it 12 mil, thats 33 years to finish at that rate?

        residentials only in the order of 21 years. (7.7 mil)

        oh wait! thats JUST for RFS, actual connect rates will take longer if they are running at ~20 houses a day….! i wonder if Fifield realises just how much af a 3 ring circus hes landed himself in by accepting this folio?

  9. Trials in 2014 and 2015, officially the trials in 2015 include Bundaberg which only just went live on the 4th and 11th of December 2015 but the build began at the start of 2015 which means the trials are being included in these numbers.

    Also ready for service still included people who are yet to have their copper cut over to the nodes I assume.

    • ahh yes the copper cutover…. which by various accounts is a slow, torturous, drawn out experience. i am not shocked Fifield is ‘conveniently’ leaving out this bit while tooting his partys horn….

    • Good thing the good people of Bundaberg have bundy to help soothe their obsolete FRAUDBAND pain ;)

        • Polled them all have you?

          Well?

          Regardless, I guess a bundy habit would explain your irrational comments and continual flip flops, to “aide the crusade”, at all costs…

          Speaking of which, “once again”, how’s that HFC you previously said failed completely but now desperately and pitifully, cling to going?

          You’re welcome or should I say cheers.

      • Good thing the good people of Bundaberg have bundy to help soothe their obsolete FRAUDBAND pain ;)

        Indeed Rizz. Speaking from experience everything seems to run faster when you are drunk. It’s not about what is happening in reality. Perceptions mean more than facts these days. Bundy a perfect way for those grounded in reality to see through the eyes of those easily fooled. “Sooner” “Faster” “Cheaper” also begins to make sense after you’ve had a few so providers should start selling MTM patchwork plans with a bottle of Bundy every month. Of course sadly the effect wears off after a while :-(

        • Wonder what’s going to happen to the copper when it’s floods form the next cyclone

  10. They’ve been frantically placing nodes around my area for weeks now but no news at all when it’ll actually translate into a service. I guess I’m part of this 50,000 apparently.

  11. This is as fallacious as calling a ship “built,” in the 10 seconds from its launch to hitting the water.

  12. Ahhh 50,000 more people connected to 3rd rate infrastructure. //sarcasm Wish i was them //end sarcasm

  13. ok assume they went from 0 – 50k in 51 days that’s still half as fast as the slowing FttP rollout was going when it was finishing up etc!

    50k sounds impressive but at this stage its actually very slow and if that progress maintains they’re going to have serious issues with their rollout schedules.

  14. This is nothing to be proud of. Hitting 50.000 houses does not mean those 50,000 will sign up to second rate service where the majority of them will not get what they pay for. Not to mention the 18 months of being stuck on 12/1 mbps so people who already get better speeds on ADSL might as well stick with it so there goes 18 months of revenue NBNCo could have had from these people. Weren’t they always talking about getting a return as soon as possible? Doesn’t look like that’s going to happen. Government has been in denial these past few years, lying to themselves and to the people. Never trust a Liberal to take this country forward.

    PS. That is one ugly node.

    • “PS. That is one ugly node.”

      I think you’ll find that is Minister Fifield, the node is the thing he is leaning against. lolololololol

    • They’re not in denial Beema, this is all going to plan.

      Byt you’re right about them lying to the public, most definitely.

  15. Impressive rollout speed this FTTN isn’t it! No surprise to a few of us, still the fanboys squeal.

    The fixed wire build would be complete today if not for the insistence on FTTH. All enjoying ubiquitous high speed internet at speeds capturing the majority of benefits for much lower cost. Cheers Conroy.

    • Yes Richard very impressive rolling at 7k a week if you believe the 51 days still slower than the 10K a week FTTP wasn’t it surpose to be faster lol

      • Lol best laugh all day Richard praising an FTTN roll out that is slower than FTTP.

        Much higher speeds at a lower cost what higher speeds you still have not given a single ISP the does a min 25Mbps or even a min 50Mbps on FTTN. So real your fanboy model will miss all the benefits because it’s unable to deliver the higher speeds required. bevuase the ubiquitous high speed network now only required to deliver an upto 25Mbps. Lol 1 Mbps faster than ADSL2 Thx Turnbull

    • “Impressive rollout speed this FTTN isn’t it! No surprise to a few of us, still the fanboys squeal. ”

      @Richard do the sums of how many per week!

      ~7k per week for this 5k rollout (assuming it was 0-50k in 51 days and that 51 days isn’t a political number rather than a real one).

      FttH when it was slowing down was doing 10k per week at the end of their contracts!

      • @sm 2 mths after product launch, 2nd year of MTM already 7k / wk with minimal teams. under the old model in their 6th year they were doing 10k a month.

        • Ah yes again cherry-picking.

          This time by using 51 days (since the FttN roll out started) for FttN and 6 years (primarily from election day) for FttP…

          Nice work…

          Cred now in the minuses Richard.

          • @rizz NBNCo was formed in Apr 2009 (election 2007). In May 2014 they were passing under 10k premises a month. A devastating indictment of the then management’s performance (yet paying themselves bonuses).

            @jk quoting bloggers;-)

          • Richard
            Considering Jxeeno had Adcock dumb founded on how much information he could get from the rollout figures they used to release. Remember there was something about more transparency you could have written.

            But then to hit there target they should be doing 50K a week not 7K.

            But consider labor NBN have already laid the foundation for the rollout and that rolling out FTTN is slower than the rollout of FTTP is a devastating indictment of the current management performance yet paying them selves bonus when. In 3 months cutting there own target by more than half. Then 2 years later cutting there target by half again remember you claimed its a faster rollout.

          • But then zdent backs up Jxeeno figures
            “After 14 months of construction”.
            So not 51 days fit build 50000 connection it took 14 months which looks like the same time as FTTP and so it’s only 900 connection a week wow that’s fast only 10% a week of a FTTP rollout lol

            Well deserved bonuses right there wouldn’t you agree Richard.

        • FFS Richard, you are becoming more defensive and childish, like the rest of your mob here…

          Wasn’t Fifield saying not so long ago, how great the roll out (FttP only at the time) was going? I don’t recall you calling him out for BS then?

          How curious. Regardless…

          “NBNCo was formed in Apr 2009 (election 2007). In May 2014 they were passing under 10k premises a month.”

          Yes Conroy did announce the FttP network in April 2009 …

          But there was a change of government in September 2013…

          So being a self-proclaimed bean counter of ultimate eminence… you tell us, (this time without the two-step and a shuffle as an excuse) 2013 – 6 years (you mentioned initially, i.e. before your desperate Watusi) = what year?

          I reiterate, you and others are disgracefully using one set of rules (from when elected in 2007) for FttP and another (since roll out began some 2 months ago) for MTM, to compare.

          Apples and oranges (with moving of goal posts and ensuing strawman when questioned) from the copper throwbacks, what a surprise eh?

          • @rizz calling out you ignorance is neither childish nor defensive. Simply setting the record straight.

            NBNCo was formed in Apr 2009. Abbott election was in Aug 2013, Ziggy installed end of Oct from memory new management early 2014.

            I stated the 6th year of NBNCo, not the election. 2nd year of new team.

            There’s no different set of rules, just your inability to comprehend what is written (again).

            The fibre rollout is performing much better under new management with the revised model. They should be congratulated. True no surprise, been happening for years.

          • Speaking of setting the record straight, it’s spade/spade time Richard…

            IMO, for someone who claims (self) ultimate superiority, over well everyone everywhere, as you inevitably do, you are either a bit gullible (I won’t say dim), or not completely honest, or simply blinded by warped ideology…

            Your complete contradictions and subsequent lack of manning up when found out on a number of occasions, is at best whimsical and at worst absolutely pitiful for a grown man who actually claims to be the role model for all (remember follow my career path and you’ll never go wrong – or something like that, before you argue over wording).

            But Richard, I’m not alone, many people have mentioned your contradictions, but are all, according to you, wrong and you, yes singular, sole you, is right… even when you say one thing and then say the opposite. How lovely it must be living in that safety bubble where it’s always (even when your own doing) someone else’s fault.

            I reiterate, you and others are disgracefully using one set of rules (from when elected in 2007) for FttP and another (since roll out began some 2 months ago) for MTM, to compare.

            And if there was ever a doubt regarding your motive, this comment puts all doubt to rest – “The fibre rollout is performing much better under new management with the revised model.”

            I reiterate also, Abbott was elected (7) September 2013 as I said, not as you claim, August 2013.

            Oh but of course, you never said that either, did you, it was all me, err, HC , umm Abel’s fault.

            :/ unbelievable

          • @rizz you are correct re election date. Happy to man up when wrong, however most of the time the attack is incorrect. You see contradictions when their aren’t any, state positions when the actual quote demonstrates you’re wrong (why I ask for the links, never kind to your nonsense).

            Many people say many things however being right isn’t a vote.

            Again I’m not using from election date. It’s bizarre you continue to repeat something that is demonstratively false.

            Again search for the career quote. It was you trying to talk yourself up, to be smacked down.

          • Lucky last for now…

            What a guy eh? Mans up when there’s no other possible alternative and no words to try to bend or spin….

            Still awaiting that smack down and with you being so hamstrung by politically tainted waffle and forever supplying that strange continued, me, me, me drivel alongside it, you certainly will never supply it.

            BTW – genuinely, have a nice Xmas Richard…. :)

            I’m sure you’ll enjoy giving… handing out all of those cassette players and typewriters to the grand kiddies.

          • Rizz
            “Your complete contradictions and subsequent lack of manning up when found out on a number of occasions”

            Yes in one article Richard
            “Turnbull claims $30b saving based in the MTM vs S1.5 numbers in CP16, we’ve covered this as well. The later isn’t numbers I’d use (S1.5 not defined), preferring published CPP.”

            Then when i link every article where he used the s1.5 numbers the ones that “isn’t numbers I’d use”.

            Richard comes back with “I’ve never claimed I never used the SR13 or CP16 numbers. I always used the best available figures “

          • @jk for the last time S1.5 figures aren’t what I’d use since it was discovered S1.5 was the scenario used in CP16 as it isn’t defined in SR13 (ie we know nothing about it). As posted at the time of the discovery I had assumed the alternative CP16 used S2 (your gotcha at the time failed).

            I’ve not said I’ve never used this alternative figure.

            Your squealing posts confirming exactly what was written above re comprehension. Posters actually having a go at me even when I haven’t commented.

            Bad year for jk; wrong on copper speeds not increasing, wrong on Quigley’s salary donation, wrong on claiming I wrote the policy (even after HC posted actual quote), delusional claim that MTM opex more the capex difference with fibre (along with general inability to understand financials), confusion about CP16’s statement it covers 3 years as evidence management believes other SR13 scenario figures remain valid, Verizon claims when large scale deployment abandoned many years ago, …

            Those just from memory. I can remember jk starting his stalking over on zdnet many years ago. I’ll need to find time and pull them up. Given his lack of experience, evident from answers, I encouraged him to learn more before posting such aggressive retorts. Several years later I’d again encourage him for a far more successful 2016. I’ve a good feeling about next year for all here at delim.

          • Richard
            But that laughable counter factual had you hook line and sinker. I questioned you well before that to why both the CP16 and the laughable counter factual had the same cost blow out and you dismissed out of hand so much for knowing financials. Its not a really SR1.5 because its not even if they had continued rolling out of FTTP but a restart which i did brought to your attention but you still used those figures. But then what you should have said “the later isn’t numbers I’d use NOW” see how much a single word changes the sentence. Claiming you though is was S2 of the SR is just laughable.

            I haven’t claimed copper speeds not increasing as for copper speeds to increase if needs fibre closer as the shorter the length the faster it becomes but unlike your claim you exact words are “speeds over copper at all lengths continue to improve” So are you claiming ADSL 2 does more than up to 24Mbps now lol. But please keep trying.

            Consinding by 2027 the the cost of S6 and S1is the same when you add CAPAX + OPEX together. So since there is a $30B difference in cost are you claim S1 is really cheaper than what they have in the SR but then you claim OPEX for the MTM is insignificant even though Verzon has claim it’s one for the reasons it has switch from FTTN to FTTP funny that.

            yes the “It is almost as if they commissioned me to write it” lol.
            How much of the if they had commissioned you to write it they are doing.
            “priority for areas where market failed” lol yep that’s happening But,
            “If they fail to deliver expect me to be as vocal” Lets see Failed on the $29B fully costed plan by a long way, Failed to deliver by 2016 oh wait they were ambitious. lol yep being as vocal is still blame labor, Conroy, Quigley of the whole nbn from the start.

            So the CP16 doesn’t mean “no better estimates exist than the assumptions applied in the Strategic Review dated December 2013”
            So i can’t use it because it makes your fanboy MTM cost an embarrassment of the $56B even only being $15B cheaper than S1 at $71B so much for it being 2/3 cheaper lol.

            The Fact that there is a $10B unknown really shows how promising of reusing the current infrastructure is so great lol.

          • @jk we don’t know why both models had the same cost blowout, the modelling hasn’t been released. Your conclusion is based on nothing.

            I used the figures (as explained) because returning to fibre model can’t ignore costs incurred. Just as as MTM must account for the expenditure decisions before it.

            The now does little to change the sentence, I didn’t write I’d never used the figure. See how that changes the sentence? Again this was explained at the time, yet you continue to misinterpret it.

            The context for my “almost if” precedes your selective quote. Post the full paragraph.

            Speeds over copper at all lengths continue to improve. This is indisputable. Technology advances continue and will. Seriously?

            Total Opex includes more than last mile opex. Again this has has been explained. You don’t understand the documents. Opex for last mile has been provided (my estimates close to actuals later leaked), you’ve provided nothing but a out of context quote for Verzon exchanges updated after natural disasters.

            Confidence through ignorance, much of the Internet today.

            S1 or S2 haven’t been updated in cp16. S1.5 (undefined) was used. This isn’t complicated.

            As posted the original CP also included a range. This is not uncommon when there is so many unknowns. The range is actually greater with MTM in SR13 & CP16 using a 20% contingency. Again you’d have to understand the documents to know this.

            Confidence through ignorance, much of the Internet today. Despite the available information they continue to make demonstratively false claims whilst demanding even greater speeds (paid for by others)

          • Richard
            “we don’t know why both models had the same cost blowout, the modelling hasn’t been released. Your conclusion is based on nothing”
            And yet you dismiss it out of hand didn’t question it.

            “I used the figures (as explained) because returning to fibre model can’t ignore costs incurred. Just as as MTM must account for the expenditure decisions before it.”
            You use the figures as if the NBN had continued to rollout FTTP not returning to doing FTTP even after it was pointed out to you. Or should i link your quotes again. Yet the last known figures of if they had continues you dismiss out of hand

            yes you didn’t say “I’d never used the figure” you said “the later isn’t numbers I’d use” but had on quite a few occasions even after it was shown to you that you where miss quoting that information.

            Yes the OPEX does funny that all those different systems they have to keep running the power to run it all again cost way more than FTTP doesn’t it.

            “S1 or S2 haven’t been updated in cp16. S1.5 (undefined) was used. This isn’t complicated.” yes funny that since the SR to CP16 FTTP has gone down wireless has gone down sat has gone down as well as removing the 3rd sat that Turnbull put in there lol.

            With so many unknowns lol

            lol paid for by others. First Turnbull Taxpayer funded is only $1B less than Labors lol. Do you know the MTM is using the same % ratio the FTTP was for revenue as the 100Mbps counts for most of the revenue lol by 2021. So while being unable to deliver those high speeds to the ones that are would pay for it and ultimately pay for the network. As over the next couple of years and see the ARPU drop what would it be due to people not wanting higher speeds when they are expecting 30% by 2021 to pick 100Mbps or would it be that they couldn’t even do speeds they claimed to the % they claimed.

            “Speeds over copper at all lengths continue to improve. This is indisputable. Technology advances continue and will. Seriously?”
            Which is faster at 2km VDSL or ADSL. Since VDSL is technology more advanced than ADSL why is it slower at that distance you said “Speeds over copper at all lengths continue to improve” that should mean VDSL should be faster at ADSL at that distance? How about g.fast should be even faster again than VDSL and ADSL at 2km shouldn’t it?

        • “MTM already 7k / wk with minimal teams. under the old model in their 6th year they were doing 10k a month.”
          Sooner!

          Because what’s important isn’t how fast things can be rolled out RIGHT NOW, what’s important is how fast things could POTENTIALLY be rolled out IN 2.5+ YEARS TIME.

          • @hotc absolutely true, we’ll watch NBNCo’s performance and see if matches their aggressive timetable. If under performing we’ll call it out.

            Early figures above are encouraging.

          • “aggressive timetable”…?

            You mean the aggressive timetable of, “to all Australians by 2016”? You know, the one they admit is well and truly blown?

            Or the hardly aggressive 4 year blow out?

            FTW- FRAUDBAND

    • Impressive rollout speed this FTTN isn’t it!

      Guess being impressed with mediocrity is what we should expect now. It’s the copper zealot way. Impressed with slow speeds. Impressed with slow rollouts. I blame the insidious “Everyone’s a winner for participating” mindset prevalent in our society today…

      All enjoying ubiquitous high speed internet

      LOL, which is 12/1mbps by your definition of high speed. Thanks for providing a perfect example.

      • Yuo spending $50+ billion to strive for mediocrity. No wonder we are falling behind as usual compared to other countries.

        Luddites in power really.

    • “All enjoying ubiquitous high speed internet”

      And for how long will it be considered high speed Richard? I’ve asked you time and time again to please tell us what “high speed” means.

      What was “high speed” 10 years ago is a crawl now, and what you say is “high speed” now will be a crawl in 10 years time.

      Remember the fabled CBA that claimed we will only need 15Mbit? Or what about Morrow who has said that 50Mbit will be enough for everyone for 10 years after the rollout is complete? So…. 50Mbit in 2030?

      • Well at least we now know what he claims as a fast rollout for fttn which is slower than the FTTP rollout lol

        • @hc thanks hc, exhausting covering the same territory.

          Unsurprisingly you left out low contention, significant difference. Universal 12/1 with 1:1 contention in 2015 would have Australia in Akamai’s top 25, available today if not for the previous administrations insistence on fibre.

          OT: is anyone else having trouble accessing this site? Been a problem for me from a number of locations for at least a couple of weeks.

          • Richard if you really want me to include that point in future references I can do that. I honestly don’t think it helps your case however and you might get questions (not necessarily from me) asking you to make further clarifications.

            As for accessing the site, I cant tell if you are being serious or not, no problems here if that helps. Maybe your provider just sucks??? Telstra I assume? :-)

          • HC it’s quite amusing that he thinks 12Mbps is high speed when USA for a min Broadband speed (not high speed) is now 25Mbps.

            But it’s good to see Richard wants us playing catchup with the rest of the world with us being 7 years behind min.

            But then if 12/1 is high speed to Richard then why are we bothering with FTTN when adsl2 does that. Consider the CBA by 2023 still say we only need 15mbps only 3Mbps than what Richard claims as high speed now which adsl2 can still deliver

          • @hc contention makes a huge difference. Ever used an 8/8 1:1 fibre business connection with QoS?

            @jk changes to the FCC definition means nothing. I’ve always disagreed with the massive waste of overbuilding perfectly good infrastructure, xDSL included. Las posted several years ago when TPG announced their NBN pricing for the same speed I was getting with ADSL2+. Improved backhaul would have made the world of difference to end users experiencing congestion (been calling for contention to be published for just as long). Again 77% of NBNCo users selecting under 25/4, most with 40-80:1 contention. It’s a joke billions have been sunk to achieve similar Internet experience in well serviced areas.

          • Richard
            So improved backhaul would improved someone connection getting 4Mbps lol when it’s due to copper length or quality of copper and pits or both. It’s like when you claimed the ofcom report of just 20 user on FTTN getting within 10% of the advertise price. Which would mean the 12Mbps connection your getting now should be within the 10% of 24Mbps of ADSL 2 not half the speed.

            So the half of Australia who are getting less than half of the upto 24Mbps ADSL 2 with no choice of the your claimed infrastructure competition to try and improved speeds. Consider we have ISP Charing the same whether your on ADSL 1 or ADSL 2 as. Well as whether you get 0Mbps or 24Mbps.

          • @hc contention makes a huge difference

            Not the dispute. If you want to define “high speed” as 12/1mbps with “lower contention” I don’t think you’ll find many who agree with you. Even uncontended there is nothing impressive about 1mbps upload speeds. I totally understand why you have set the bar so low (you didn’t even say 12mbps symmetrical) however…

            Ever used an 8/8 1:1 fibre business connection with QoS?

            Nice example but goal post movement aside you are making this way too easy for me.

            Not a 8/8mbps 1:1 FttN business connection??? That Q in QoS apparently means something.

          • I regularly get 180Mbit down and 80Mbit up on my fibre connection at home here in Japan and it is incredibly higher contention ratios than NBN were using with the FTTP rollout, and its a wonderful thing. I can download a 4GB update for software in a matter of minutes, I’d love to see you do that on a 12Mbit 1:1 contention ratio connection Richard.

          • Seriously Richard? You’re trying to compare 12/1 uncontended based on your own experience, with 100/40 with contention ratios designed by network engineers with decades of telco data to draw from? How the… Do you eat all your food with a spoon? Do you have velcro shoes?

            1:1 is only necessary where contention is so high that anything less would noticeably impact usage, usually where getting that data through is mission critical. It is phenomenally expensive to do in comparison with say the construction cost of the NBN. It is like building a dedicated road, a mini freeway (no intersections), for every single car – 99.99999% of that road would remain unused. Likewise for 1:1 uncontended networks for Internet traffic for the general population. Networks are shared because it is orders of magnitude more efficient. Most of the time contention won’t affect anyone’s performance, but where it does that’s what load balancing is for. Where contention is a significant ongoing issue that part of the network can be upgraded to better address the load.

            But what it comes down to is, if you are not affected by a highly contended network, reducing the contention ratio will have absolutely zero effect on your performance and experience. It is a waste of time and money providing zero benefit. Most people on ADSL with any decent ISP experience minimal contention issues, and plenty won’t experience any. The NBN has lower contention ratios by design, with much greater potential bandwidth and much greater flexibility.

            So you’re welcome to your 12/1 connection – I hope you remain satisfied on that for decades to come. Personally my life is vastly improved by higher bandwidth connections, the faster the better, up to the point where servers become incapable of feeding the pipe at my end. Which is where the FTTP NBN would have dramatically improved everything, giving everyone access to performance on tap of up to 1gbps – whether servers received performance improvements as a direct result of fibre NBN, or they upgraded to keep up with demand, the result would have been a much faster Internet experience for all Australians.

          • @ug contention is a massive issue in Australia, acknowledged by network engineers.

            Shared networks are orders of magnitude more efficient? Please explain. High contention ratios are used to reduce ISP costs whilst advertising high peak speeds to technically illiterate consumers.

            Load balancing has what to do with contention? Bizarre.

            Also clearly stated the speed is 2015, not a decade in the future. Universal 12mbps average (not peak) would put anyone near the top of the table, easily matching customer demand for a public utility. The 4k YouTube watchers would have to wait a little longer than R0, productivity loss zero.

            Your server analysis shows a remarkable lack of understanding of data centre connections and internet backbones. Nothing off the last mile can saturate 1 gbps FTTH connections, nor for the foreseeable future.

            @hc the Q doesn’t mean what you think it does (hint not layer 1).

            Time for some to start learning something of networks.

          • So Richard what you saying is Turnbull lied when he said he could deliver a min 25Mbps. Because again where is an ISP that can deliver that.

            Consider that Turnbull wants innovation but is building a network that is only required to deliver an up to 25Mbps ( so really $56B to build a network we already have now with ADSL 2 delivering an upto 24Mbps) now a min speed to call broadband in another country which already has innovation. Why would any one want to stay or come here.

          • @hc the Q doesn’t mean what you think it does

            It doesn’t mean quality? Ok, I’m not sure what sort of delusional topsy turvy world you’re living in but regardless let’s try to bring back some relevancy to this discussion.

          • Richard
            “we don’t know why both models had the same cost blowout, the modelling hasn’t been released. Your conclusion is based on nothing”
            And yet you dismiss it out of hand didn’t question it.

            “I used the figures (as explained) because returning to fibre model can’t ignore costs incurred. Just as as MTM must account for the expenditure decisions before it.”
            You use the figures as if the NBN had continued to rollout FTTP not returning to doing FTTP even after it was pointed out to you. Or should i link your quotes again. Yet the last known figures of if they had continues you dismiss out of hand

            yes you didn’t say “I’d never used the figure” you said “the later isn’t numbers I’d use” but had on quite a few occasions even after it was shown to you that you where miss quoting that information.

            Yes the OPEX does funny that all those different systems they have to keep running the power to run it all again cost way more than FTTP doesn’t it.

            “S1 or S2 haven’t been updated in cp16. S1.5 (undefined) was used. This isn’t complicated.” yes funny that since the SR to CP16 FTTP has gone down wireless has gone down sat has gone down as well as removing the 3rd sat that Turnbull put in there lol.

            With so many unknowns lol

            lol paid for by others. First Turnbull Taxpayer funded is only $1B less than Labors lol. Do you know the MTM is using the same % ratio the FTTP was for revenue as the 100Mbps counts for most of the revenue lol by 2021. So while being unable to deliver those high speeds to the ones that are would pay for it and ultimately pay for the network. As over the next couple of years and see the ARPU drop what would it be due to people not wanting higher speeds when they are expecting 30% by 2021 to pick 100Mbps or would it be that they couldn’t even do speeds they claimed to the % they claimed.

        • @hc QoS is implemented at layer 2 or 3, not the physical layer. Strange you don’t see the relevance to the discussion. As a Cisco partner you’d know this.

          • @hc QoS is implemented at layer 2 or 3, not the physical layer.
            Obviously not in dispute. Apparently you either failed to understand the point of my comment or maybe you just missed all of the other facetious criticisms I make of FttN (rolling out FttN in 2015 is an expensive joke after all). So let’s be serious now, tell us which of those business with “8/8 1:1 fibre connections” would swap over to your theoretical 8/8 1:1 FttN connections. I’d think if they want QoS they’d want a quality network (hint: FttP) to ensure that QoS is even more reliable.

            Strange you don’t see the relevance to the discussion
            Article title = “FTTN rollout hits 50,000 homes in record time”

        • @jk I post what I like, as any poster. I don’t call out every bit of incorrect info, haven’t the time nor the inclination. It doesn’t make the info accurate. Many of the squealing retorts are left for the keeper.

          The figures if they had continued is likely somewhere between S1 & S2. Original management CPs destroyed, as predicted. Peak funding is important, not ALP’s sham
          taxpayer borrowing. All borrowing (whether govt bonds or market) will be underwritten by taxpayers.

          Opex for FTTN is higher than FTTH, I even put a figure on it (surprisingly close). You and Gregory never would. The figure shows it value is insignificant compared to either revenue or capex differential.

          You claim I was misquoting the info, I don’t agree. Only when it was revealed it used an undefined scenario (not your claim) did Instop using it. You continue to mix SR13 and CP16 figure incorrectly.

          I’m on the record as saying revenue won’t meet expectations. My and NBNCo’s call is MTM will capture the majority of revenue. Current AR demand information shows we are both correct up until now. If demand for 100mbps suddenly increases you’ll be right, but premature to make that call today.

          Revenues for the original CPs underperformed by a significant margin. The gap is growing. As I’ve said repeatedly this is a disastrous policy, taxpayer will be lumped coughing up tens of billions.

          Happy for you to link to anything, like others the link typically destroys your position. Problem is many have concocted my position, even imagining a connection with the Liberal party or Turnbull. Total and utter BS, but all they have. You’ve been shown to be wrong about so many things, maybe time for a little research and comprehension before squealing every post.

          • Lol Richard
            “The figures of they had continued is likely between S1 & S2” so somewhere between $8B to $15B more than the mess we have now. Thank you Richard but the if peak funding is important and since the peak funding of using existing infrastructure is not much less than building a new. How much more does it have to cost before you see the MTM as a joke that we see it already. Yet you claim me miss quoting The SR yet you use it here.

            I didn’t claim I linked you the quote from a senate estimates of morrow say the FTTP figures in the CP was a restart not a continuation. I new fact you ignored.

            ARPU is higher than the original management significant higher than what Turnbull predicted. Ziggy have already been quoted saying when the MTM starts the ARPU will fall.

            The 100Mbps to 30% by 2021 is NBN claim not mine. That’s what they are aiming for. They expecting the 100Mbps return more than double there next highest return which is from the 25/5 again there claim not mine. Simple maths for if 12/1 makes a return $2 from $24. As it doesn’t cost anymore to deliver 100Mbps to the ones than can get makes a return of $16. Using current take figures of all the plan which makes the most money. That’s also without adding in CVC pricing.

            The reason why some not all think your a lib supporter (I don’t by the why) as most of the time you see the facts how ever cherry picked. But when you start using in the word fanboy and blaming labor Conroy Quigley for the faults of the current mess from the current mob people see it than why.

          • Problem is many have concocted my position

            The only thing anyone has ever done is present your position as you made it. Nothing needs to be concocted. Your absurd contradictions and hilarious endorsements mange to provide enough entertainment on their own.

          • @hc sorry tell us all about that Brisbane line again oh wise one. The follow up ranging post still a classic.

          • Oh dear, I seemed to have upset Richard again with facts. The tell tale sign deferring to off-topic issues that have nothing to do with me. Clearly I was right about one thing however, conservatives notorious for cowardly attributes, proof is this is something he wont dare take up with Able who is someone in a better position to debate it… btw you got that page number yet? It’s been three years.

          • “I post what I like…”

            I must agree with Richard here Jason, he does indeed post whatever he likes, factual or otherwise… primarily otherwise ;)

    • “The fixed wire build would be complete today if not for the insistence on FTTH. All enjoying ubiquitous high speed internet at speeds capturing the majority of benefits for much lower cost. Cheers Conroy.”

      At best conjecture and at worst absolute BS…

      “Impressive rollout speed this FTTN isn’t it! No surprise to a few of us…”

      Wow blinding rollout speed, much like dial up… which I’m sure you would have to love too?

    • Lower cost? How do you figure, given that the build cost of MTM today is higher than the projection for Scenario 4 of the SR? And no new customers were connected for 2.5 years…

  16. I’ve finally figured it out. They keep missing zeros.
    Estimate 55mill to re mediate copper in the SR when it was supposed to be 550mill estimate
    Now it is 51 days when actual figure is closer to 510 days.
    Maybe the extra zeros are in the 50,000 RFS or 1000 connected.

    All we can tell for certain is the real numbers are redacted.

  17. get a load of the grin on this dud dickhead. They are barely connected and will have to be replaced with fibre anyway because they won’t even be able to stay connected long enough. They think 1000 connected to brand new copper they just paid for is a win.

    You can’t make this stuff up. This is not about providing universal and simple services to people and all about donors and shareholders in Telstra and Alcatel.

    They are even attempting to replace working IINET 300mbps HFC with crappy faulty ADSL services.

  18. And this dud Minister wants us to believe that MTM is not complex ? And he forgot to add the caveat that speeds would be achieved so long as it wasn’t raining. If it rains, then you might as well use dial up

    • We don’t know yet as it hasn’t rained ;) downside/upside of starting the build in summer I guess!

  19. Other news sites are claiming that Fifield said: “About 100 new users every day are switching over to the NBN’s vectored VDSL broadband technology, which runs over the network and makes internet connections lightning fast.”

    Strange how those numbers don’t really equate.
    51 days of having been publicly available after launch.
    1000 connected premises.

    Um, that about 20 a day, on mean average.
    100 per day would mean every single premises that got a connection did so in the last 10 days. What were they doing for the last 41 days? Dropping leaflets and doing door-to-door sales work?
    Or are they claiming that there are 5.1 “users” at each connected premises?

    Whatever they think they are doing, these people can’t add for crap.

        • They don’t work weekends for one at a guess. So that is starting with 5/7 of the available days. I’m sure there are other ways to tweak things so the number gets close enough to be rounded too.

  20. Just a little off topic
    Optus been fined for claiming to deliver FTTP like speeds on there HFC lol

  21. It’s always interesting to compare the status of the NBN rollouts at the two year point post a election win.

    The Labor NBN Co were just PLANNING their FTTP trial sites, this is despite the FTTP infrastructure rollout strategy being well established in greenfields estates by the Telstra Velocity scheme, Opticomm and others.

    It’s also always pertitent to remember that at the end of Labors reign in 2013 the FTTP rollout targets had been reduced by half of what was originally estimated.

    The reality of NBN history in Australia is always a great leveler.

    • Are you saying for a third time (this question left unanswered of course) that Labor had changed their promise to cover just 46.5% of Australia with FTTP?

    • You can’t compare the OptiComm rollouts with NBN rollouts, OptiComm did lots of very small estates and did them as cheaply as possible. They frequently supplied entire estates with 100/100mbps Microwave backhaul (massive contention issues as a result), used much higher optical splitter ratios and ran RF TV (FTA and foxtel) over a 3rd wavelength. they also poorly implemented their VoIP to the point where most ISP’s selling their services had to supply VoIP ATA’s to prevent being fined by the ombudsman for failing to provide a reliable phone service.

      Frankly, opticomm is a great example of how not to rollout FTTP, they are a complete charlie foxtrot of an organisation and their networks reflect that!

      Telstra Velocity is a generally very high quality but they have a stack of customisation to provide their phone services and foxtel over FTTP so again their network is not comparable (also only covers smallish estates except in south brisbane).

      So once again Alain you are comparing Apples with Kiwi Fruit!

    • Yes Alain
      Labor had to build the backhaul what has the current rollout done. Consider most the connections they have done is labor FTTP is really quite funny. 50000 FTTN in 2 years must be a record rollout on how slow it is. Still on Turnbull website claiming the would be doing mass rollout mid 2014 lol.

      • Jason-Derek,

        “. 50000 FTTN in 2 years must be a record rollout on how slow it is.’

        No a world record is zero NBN FTTP connections two years in.

        • Keep the Trolling up Alain, I look forward to your imminent banning, your unreasonable behavior (party based trolling) has not gone unnoticed.

        • Wow, you really know someone is illegitimate, argumentative, disingenuous and spade/spade, let’s face it, just being a dick, when they (alain) won’t even acknowledge the hurdles of a start-up/from scratch network vs. those who can readily utilise everything the start-up supplied them…

          … and still even then, fuck it (FRAUDBAND) up completely…

      • 50000 FTTN in 2 years must be a record rollout on how slow it is. Still on Turnbull website claiming the would be doing mass rollout mid 2014 lol.

        Indeed Jasonk. We all remember the promises before the election (those of us not with a selective memory) and now we are on the verge of 2016 with most of Australia waiting for these clowns to deliver the slower speeds they told us we need “sooner”

        375 days to go.

        • The FUDsters must be getting desperate HC, with their precious MTM falling apart more and more each day (yes, exactly as we told them it would, years ago)…

          Because normally with a headline (although based upon a devious announcement from Morrow/Fifield) such as this, they wouldn’t even comment, no need.

          They normally only need to comment where the headline is negative (as it inevitably is) to their “aid the crusade” MTM, copper throwback, failed HFC “fraudband” campaign or of course positive (as actuality has it) towards FttP.

          The fact they are here trying to FUD this headline up is quite telling IMO.

          Although again it is nothing more than an extreme exaggeration from Fifield/Morrow…

          But hey, let them clutch at straws I suppose… poor sorry fools.

    • Oh and Alain, OptiComm only built into new estates with new pits and ducts built to their specs by the developer who paid for them to build there, NBN Co had to learn how to utilise existing Telstra infrastructure, hence the trials!

    • Derek O, Hotcakes, Jason K, (Rizz must be taking a nap, wink-wink),

      The points which you avoid to address directly is that after 2 years in power Labor were ‘thinking’ about FTTP trial sites, and after six years had to machete the rollout targets so hard that they were at half originally estimated.

      A failed rollout that Conroy himself said was ‘too ambitious’, apparently the magic FTTP fairy was going to fix this all up, if only it was allowed to continue.

      Thankfully the voters in 2013 woke up to that one and a alternative NBN policy was voted in.

      • to quote from your mate Abbott, Nope Nope Nope!

        Come back when you are prepared to acknowledge history as it actually happened!

      • Reality after 2 years Of hardly rolling out there own network which they said could be complete by 2016 1 year to go for 12m premises with only 50000 connected lol.

        It’s a pity the voters in 2013 didn’t see the conjob or lie of what they where claiming Of there rollout target or for the price they where claiming they could to it for.

        But then Alain we don’t want to compare the current mess to there pre election policy that was fully researched plan by Turnbull was very conservative with there nunbers lol.

      • I’m still here alain… I’ve just been addressing the other electioneerer and contradictory hypocrite at another thread.

        Being so, please tell us how, since you told us some 4 or 5 years ago that HFC was a complete failure, that years after, you now call for the thriving HFC network to be utilised…

        *crickets*

      • An alternative policy that has left Australia bare for 2.5 years and counting – but since that’s just what we had for the 15 years pre-NBN I guess everything has returned to the norm.

        Also, are you saying for a fourth time (this question left unanswered of course) that Labor had changed their promise to cover just 46.5% of Australia with FTTP?

    • “The Labor NBN Co”

      Because when you decide to run a national rollout you start deploying immediately. Engineers don’t need systems or desks. MSA’s don’t need to be written. Processes? Bah! I’ll write them sitting on a park bench because we don’t need an office.

  22. This FTTN is real great. Got connected on the 4 December 2015. Since then I have had no phone no internet and no one can give me an answer. Well done NBN ass wipes.

  23. It’s somewhat amusing comparing the status of the respective Labor vs Coalition rollouts not only at the two year mark, but also at the six year mark.

    What we need to do is see how many premises are activated on NBN FTTN, FTTB and HFC at the end of 2019, that’s a fair comparison to the Labor FTTP rollout at the end of 2013.

    FTTP zealots are not interested in fair comparisons.

    • No Alain the coalition should be building there own backhaul not piggy backing of labors now that would be fair.

      • It’s not Labor’s backhaul, Labor have had nothing to do with the NBN since 2013, and apparently according to FTTP zealots all NBN backhaul builds ceased in 2013.

        • Lol Alain so the 121 POI the MTM has built it in the last 2 years. Trying the rewrite history again like the pre election policy using HFC. Or pretending the pre election policy and the SR don’t exist lol

          • I am sure you get a chuckle when deciding to post as Rizz, Derek O, Jason K, or Hotcakes as well.

          • *shakes head*

            Once again clearly demonstrating why you are the “undisputed king of Delimiter bannings”, alain…

          • C’mon R, you can come up with something better than that.

            Maybe post your idea of a NBN fact, again. That’ll bring you back up to form.

    • Speaking of being fair Reality/alain, in fact fair dinkum in comparisons and especially one’s comments (like being honest and not flip-flopping or contradicting one’s position to suit the narrative or government)…

      Since you selectively found your typical multiple flip-flops above, much too humiliating and this question way too awkward and simply ignored it, rather than manning up and at least trying to explain your ridiculous 180 flip-flop… I’ll ask my question of you “yet again”

      Q. Please tell us how (why), since you told us some 4 or 5 years ago that HFC was a complete failure, that years after, you now call for the thriving HFC networks to be utilised…?

      Oh dear with the further silence of embarrassment, we are hearing more and more *crickets*

    • Ah good old Alain, still defending wasting 56 Billion on an obsolete copper hodgepodge network when for 13 Billion less we could have had 93% FTTP!

    • Actually a fair comparison would be a comparison of end goals – that would be comparing Labors NBN @2020 vs Liberal MTM @ 2016.

      • Nice stacked comparison Rizz (jeez that’s unusual on the part of FTTP zealots), you know that we are NEVER going to get to a Labor FTTP NBN at 2020 to compare, but we do remember it was a failed rollout that had to halve it’s rollout targets along the way.

        • Lol Alain

          You finally admit the MTM is a failed more labor FTTP rollout lol.

          “Labor FTTP NBN at 2020 to compare, but we do remember it was a failed rollout that had to halve it’s rollout targets along the way.”

          Since coalition has not once but twice half it’s rollout target. Must be the biggest fail of all time lol.

          • It’s not 2019 yet, apparently the Coalition NBN Co has to meet or exceed Labor FTTP roll-out targets in two years what it took Labor six years (and failed).

            On that fair and equitable FTTP zealots stacking the books strategy the MtM has therefore failed.

          • Lol Alain
            First you claim labor FTTP rollout failed because it had to cut its target by half yet when your beloved MTM does that not once but twice in 2 years it’s not a fail lol

          • No, but they can hit or exceed their promised targets, which as we all know have been blown out to a minimum of 4 years (and climbing) within just 2 years time, as opposed to Labors plan which blew out by 2 years in 6 years time.

          • Hotcakes according to Alain’s reality
            The coalition didn’t have anything before the CP16

          • Unfortunately guys, with our dear “special” friend alain…

            We are dealing with a mentality of… if FttN was to (hypothetically) be $1 cheaper and finished 1 minute sooner, than FttP would have been, he will claim he and his more precious than life itself Coalition, were right…

            No consideration to value for money, future requirements, apples/apples. rationality, etc will EVER be entered into…

            And although it isn’t even panning out that FttN will actually be cheaper or faster (it certainly isn’t faster for me, I would have had FttP, even with their smaller hold-ups, in comparison to the MTM/FRAUDBAND immense hold-ups) )… did someone say Scenario 4?

            Plus the fact that even if FttN/MTM were to be marginally cheaper… it is vastly inferior, obsolete, needs vastly more OPEX (making it more expensive anyway), etc…

            But again that doesn’t matter as long as “our guys (wink, wink)” are in charge…

            BTW congratulations alain, you finally got something right and weren’t foolisly and embarrassingly contradicting yourself… it’s not 2019 yet… “well done”

            You’re welcome.

        • Are you saying for a fifth time (this question left unanswered of course) that Labor had changed their promise to cover just 46.5% of Australia with FTTP?

  24. That cabinet looks awfully like the insides of an ISAM, which Telstra has had deployed since 2012 at least.

    It seems to me that any Top Hat locations could have easily been repurposed to be FTTN locations. I am serviced by a Top Hat and am scheduled to get FTTN in 2017. I wonder if they will build something next to the Telstra cabinet.

  25. What would be really nice is if NBN stop rolling VDSL2 over the top of our VDSL2 investments (even when there is us AND TransACT/iiNet) . It’s funny that as soon as we finish deploying no more than three months later there is a NBN DSLAM in the building.

    Frustrating to no end. (-_-) even buildings that are nowhere near a NBN DA.

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