Netflix figures back Coalition’s faster NBN rollout, says Fifield


news Senator Mitch Fifield, Federal Minister for Communications, has claimed that Netflix’s latest ISP Speed Index supports the faster rollout of the NBN under the Coalition Government.

In a statement, the minister cited the Akamai State of the Internet report’s ranking of Singapore as the “number one country in the world for broadband speeds”.

Singapore’s Netflix Speed Index ranking of 3.75 Mbps is “virtually identical” to Australia’s 3.36 Mbps, said Fifield.

Other countries ranked on the Netflix ISP Speed Index also show “similar results to Australia”, Fifield added, producing a list that included Hong Kong (3.64 Mbps), USA (3.61 Mbps), the UK (3.72 Mbps) and New Zealand (3.54 Mbps).

However, the figures quoted by Fifield represent the highest speeds for the July period, as measured by Netflix.

Netflix also publishes average figures for every country it serves, and in those Australia does not fare so well.

Its average of 2.79 Mbps puts Australia approximately alongside Malaysia (2.75 Mbps) and Thailand (2.74 Mbps) in the Asia-Pacific broadband speed rankings, and rather below countries atop the table, such as Singapore (3.51 Mbps), New Zealand (3.47 Mbps) and Hong kong (3.39 Mbps).

Globally, the US average is 3.26 Mbps, while the UK is rated at 3.62 Mbps, again both significantly higher figures than Netflix quotes for Australia.

The government’s policy of using a ‘multi-technology mix’ (MTM) of technologies includes both fibre-to-the-node (FTTN) and revamped HFC copper networks in order to cut down on costs and speed up construction of the national network.

This is contrast to the Labor opposition that advocates for a fibre-to-the-premises (FTTP) NBN.

“Thanks to the Coalition’s faster, more affordable rollout the NBN is on track to be connected to all Australian homes and businesses by 2020,” said Fifield.

He said the Netflix figures show Labor “can’t be trusted” to roll out the National Broadband Network.

“Labor’s 2016 election policy was to slow down the NBN rollout completion by at least two years – leaving Australians waiting for better broadband until at least 2022,” Fifield said. “Under the Coalition, the NBN rollout is powering ahead with close to three million homes and businesses now able to order a service.”

Netflix says on its website that its ISP Speed Index is a measure of “prime-time Netflix performance on particular ISPs around the globe, and not a measure of overall performance for other services/data that may travel across the specific ISP network”.

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  1. The choice survey says otherwise. People only realise they’ve been robbed and sold very expensive ADSL upgrades with ADSL.

    They should be sued. A class action lawsuit is needed. They have stuffed up my chances where to move my home business. I can’t move into areas with telephone lines and FTTN for instance. HFC areas are too expensive but stuck on HFC until it falls over.

    They have stifled business and the economy.

    NZ has had a massive FTTP rollout.

    Netflix are starting to deliver Dolby Vision video which requires min 25mbps.

    • Netflix are starting to deliver Dolby Vision video which requires min 25mbps.

      Exactly what I was talking about years ago. When it comes to video it’s not just higher resolutions that increase the need for more more bandwidth. Higher frame rates and bit depths require higher bitrates which require more bandwidth. But the retards thought they knew better and the MTM patchwork clusterfuck brain fart was born. So with 25mbps (lol) it’ll be woefully inadequate in the future and that’s before discussing upload speeds. What a disaster.

      They have stifled business and the economy.

      Nailed it.

      • Hey HC…

        Does that mean that “my tax dollars” are being wasted on a white elephant games and porn network?


        • Hardly… luckily I live in a suburb that got Labour’s NBN prior to the liberals getting in and enjoy my consistent 70mbps down, 37mpbs up and a rock solid connection all for $20 per month more than my previous ADSL connection with 4 times the data allocation and free phone calls to all landlines and mobile phones.

          In 3 years now I’ve only ever had one drop out, and it was just a matter of resetting the router. On ADSL 2+ previously I had daily dropouts, and wasted countless hours trying to get work done online when things would drop out / crash etc. and work would need to be redone.

          NBN / FTTP – No buffering times at all on Netflix (ie. it’s just like watching normal TV) & working from home is just as fast as being actually on the network at work in the CBD. Thinking about starting up my own online business on the side, because it’s feasible from home.

          No… high speed internet is useless & provides no extra productivity?? ;-)

          Thankful I’m not saddled with the Liberal’s FTTN rubbish, although I will have to stay in my current house for the foreseeable future.

          • /giggle

            NBN FTTN, 87 down, 37 up, syncs at 91 Mbps, unlimited data, no slow downs…

            I’d say there’s something wrong with your FTTP as presumably you’re on 100/40. Although, far more likely, you’re probably suffering some contention issues with your ISP (also a common problem with FTTN).

            If you’re going to whip it out and compare sizes, try to make sure it’s bigger before you embarrass yourself… =D

    • Law suits and class actions do not work this way. Irrespective of the actual rollout policy, comments about suing people are never helpful. For reference you may wish to look up the doctrine of Parliament Supremacy (or just that the Parliament is Supreme). In essence a government can generally do what it wants subject to constitutional restrictions (depending on the action in question, some actions the executive can do; others require parliamentry approval aka legislation; and others are thus prohibited or reserved to the states).
      So no, you cant necessarily sue the government because it changes how it does something. If you’re not comfortable with this idea, then of course the solution is a political one.

  2. Complains about a two year wait while boasting of a 4 year delay in their own plan (which was supposed to have everyone on 25 mbps by 2016).
    Also takes credit for the 3 million homes that were connected, almost all of which were under contracts done by Labor.

    What a joke.

  3. Erm……..the whole point of building the infrastructure right is just so we can prepare for what is to really come….Netflix is one single application and shows that when the real bandwidth requirements hit in 2020……..we’d be lagging behind again and having to spend more money to debate about the requirement of FTTP and then spend even more money for forklift upgrades…….This is the coalitions legacy….of trying to delay it as longs as they can until a cheaper faster wireless last mile access is available…….which would never happen.

  4. Fiefield is such a TWAT!!! The Netflix speeds have been hovering around the same mark since Netflix first started publishing them. ie. They haven’t even increased significantly. So how does Fiefield attribute this to the MTM? If anything, it shows we haven’t gone anywhere with mongrel of a network that the Coalition is building.

  5. I don’t know about anyone else but my speeds have increased from 3down/1up to 80down/30up which is way more than I would of thought possible! I’m on Fttp in an area which was not even in consideration for many years under the Fttp plan! Thank you Malcolm I am one happy customer!

    • you need to thank kev/juila and not the useless lnp, you lucky bastard, the rest of us are screwed

    • > in an area which was not even in consideration for many years under the Fttp plan!

      And yet you say you ARE on FTTP. I think you are somewhat confused.

  6. Philip. If you’re on Fttp then you’re thanking the wrong bloke. Malcolm’s job was to “Demolish” the Fttp NBN & replace it with 10’s of thousands of Nodes to allow Telstra’s neglected, outdated copper to the premises to limp along for a few more years

  7. This duck needs to stop lying. Can we hire an even better person in charge of his portfolio?
    If he was in my team, i would freakin’ sack him in an instant for being stupid or acting stupid!

    • Can we hire an even better person in charge of his portfolio?

      Replacing a clown with a clown will not make much of a difference.

    • What do you mean? He’s doing an excellent job for what they got him for!

      Trumpeting the Coalition’s spin machine successes on a job well done by the MTM team! Professional Spin Doctor Yes man! All paid by yours truly’s and everyone else’s tax money!

      Or were you actually expecting a proper minister that would bother *fixing* problems w/ his portfolio? This a conservative government there are only 2 fixes they know… tax cuts or privitisation!

  8. This is a desperate attempt to justify the unjustifiable. A terrible policy delivered by a party that is desperately trying to prove it is still relevant rather than a spent political force. From the inhumanity if it’s refugee policy to the destruction of health and education, all we see is its disrespect for the needs of the people and what we get are well crafted a press that is no longer interested in the truth. This is shameless article.

  9. Goto
    Look down to the graph over time.
    You can adjust the from date back to April 2015.
    I’m not seeing any real improvement over time for the leaders optus, iinet or tpg.
    Telstra is all over the place.
    Only Exetel and iprimus show gains…

    Explain to me again what this has to do with a “faster rollout of the NBN”
    looks to me like its hardly had any effect in the last year and a bit.

    • Nothing to do with the pace of the NbN rollout. The data for NZ shows a similar trend (despite FTTH).

      The constraint isn’t last mile. No amount of increase in last mile connection speed will increase performance when provisioned backhaul the constraint. Exposed several years ago, continues to be confirmed with ACCC data.

      Fanboys squeal gigabit last mile, projecting their “understanding” of the topic.

      • Richard, you do realise that one of the first things the NBN policy did was invest 250 million dollars to improve backhaul right?

        You do further realise that building backhaul is an order of magnitude cheaper than deploying last mile?

        You do further realise that projects like a second Southern Cross cable are only viable when there is demand for bandwidth, demand that won’t be generated when the capabilities of infrastructure become stagnant?

        You do also realise that applications like Netflix spend a significant amount of money to increase their edge locations capacity and frequency to improve their ability to deliver high quality content while reducing their backhaul cost?

        The internet is no longer a simple “we’re limited by our pipe to America” equation like it was 15 years ago. You are the one who needs to update their understanding of the topic.

        • You do further realise that building backhaul is an order of magnitude cheaper than deploying last mile?

          It is, why?

          • Time for the whole thing again…

            (Reality…lol) alain’s greatest false statements, lies, contradictions and political partiality.

            Then: “FTTP will succeed because its a monopoly.”
            2 weeks later: “FTTP will fail like HFC failed as no one wants or needs such speeds.”

            Then: “HFC across from my place is only good for the possums to run up and birds to perch upon.”
            Now: Since MTM, no such comment has been repeated. in fact HFC is now lauded and talked up…

            Then: “ADSL speeds are good enough for everyone now and into the future.”
            Now: g, fast, DOCSIS 3.1 speed improvements for MTM are lauded and talked up.

            Then: claimed that – totally mobile residences will eat into FTTP revenue so much it will make FTTP not viable.
            Now: Since MTM, no such comment or position has ever been repeated, even though such logic would surely apply more so to slower FTTN than it would to FTTP.

            Then: “Labor are liars who can’t be trusted because they revised their NBN plan.”
            Now:“It’s all been there in CP16, where the Coalition have revised their NBN plan”. No talk of lies, in fact revision is now an excuse, to excuse all blow outs.

            Then: “I don’t want to be forced onto the monopoly FTTP network.”
            Now: Since MTM, no such comment or position has ever been repeated.

            And the list goes on and on…

            Whoops almost forgot the classic “before roads there were no roads”…

            You’re welcome… apology accepted.

          • wow there is diversions then there is a Rizz diversion, so after all of that incoherent out of context rant the answer to this :

            You do further realise that building backhaul is an order of magnitude cheaper than deploying last mile?

            It is, why?

            …. is I have no idea, it would be easier on the eye if you just said so, but we got there in the end.

        • @nk Actually they didn’t, $~2b sunk into transist. Backhaul improvements under the regional backhaul program (private sector tender).

          Netflix doesn’t incur backhaul charges.

          Provisioned backhaul the restriction. You are the one who needs to update their understanding of the topic.

          • More gibberish and random numbers with no links or even coherent explanations. Obviously a practicing student of Professor Leary…

          • @c would be gibberish to the know nothings demanding links to the most basic information; provide little of their own, when they do they don’t understand them (eg opex per mile).

            Another uninformed stalker to join the team. It’ll be fun.

            Your automated splicer comment below highlights your “experience” (ie none). Time and cost for automated splicing is the full cost for fibre repair (rofl). Backtracking at pace (not surprising given its ridiculous, misconception by whom?).

          • My exact wording was “One of the first things they did…”. The fact they may have invested more than that does not refute my statement at all. I was referring specifically to the NextGen Networks investment that was made to improve regional backhaul.

            Let’s look at NextGen network’s definition, where I got the $250 million figure for:

            “As part of its National Broadband Network (NBN) commitment, the Australian Government allocated up to $250 million in funding to improve backbone transmission market outcomes to a number of priority ‘blackspot’ locations.”

            So the regional blackspot project was part of the NBN policy. Funny that. It’s almost like since I’ve been following this project and policy for over 6 years I know what I’m talking about…

            “Netflix doesn’t incur backhaul charges.”

            Actually they do. They pay a lot of backhaul charges. In fact they got into a bit of a battle with Comcast because Comcast didn’t want to do settlement free peering with Netflix’s providers, resulting in Netflix needing to peer directly (with settlement fees) with Netflix.

            I’m not going to go into much detail of Netflix network, mainly because I don’t know since their public record is kinda limit, but we know enough to know they’re not getting a free lunch.

          • @nk regional black spot program predates the NBN (former govt). I’m not sure what policy you’ve been following.

            You’d be talking IXP charges.

            But do go on…

          • “would be gibberish to the know nothings demanding links to the most basic information”

            LOL…so you are above using actual facts then…? Not much of a surprise there, why let the facts get in the way of a good story…
            Sadly, not even your story is good…even as the unsubstantiated BS it is, it is completely without credibility or logic.

            “Your automated splicer comment below highlights your “experience” (ie none). Time and cost for automated splicing is the full cost for fibre repair (rofl). Backtracking at pace (not surprising given its ridiculous, misconception by whom?)”

            I truly am at a loss to understand your sentences…it is most certainly not English though. You appear to through a bunch of derogatory words together with nothing to tie them together and expect folks to believe you??? Sorry, but you should read what you are typing, or lay off the drugs for a few days…

          • Richard I literally quoted NextGen networks informational release in the post you’re replying to here…

      • “The data for NZ shows a similar trend”

        Please link that data and describe why you think this is so…
        In NZ, the average download speed for fixed broadband was 9.3 Mbps
        In Aus, it is 8.8 Mbps…
        New Zealand keeps rising in the world rankings, Australia is dropping like a stone.

        Before the switch to FTTP in NZ (which is still in its infancy) those numbers were reversed…we were faster.

        • Still waiting on your fibre repairs cheaper than copper;-)

          As for mine the very data Netflix data discussed in the article. Oops my mistake, it would require the delims read it.

          Update: using the per mile numbers below without any comprehension. classic;-)

          • I answered your misconception already about the copper being cheaper. Maintenance on fibre is about 1/10th the cost.
            Unfortunately I couldn’t find it translated into whatever the hell language you speak so you must not have been able to read it

            As for yours, you obviously are having problems reading this article as well

          • @c wrote “Cut or damaged cable for FTTH is far less expensive than for HFC or FTTN.”

            @me “Repairing damaged fibre is far more expensive than copper”

            @c “I will bet you it is not…and if I win you will go away, OK?
I can show you the Columbia School of Business study that shows it…”

            Doesn’t exist because it isnt true, as anyone that has actually worked with the techs would know. Over to our distinguished talent recipient;-)

          • “Doesn’t exist because it isnt true”

            Do you accept the terms then?
            I have just been waiting for your answer…

          • BTW, current splicing time is about 20 seconds in the field (faster in house). The splicer is ~$9,000, so one at each FAN (considering the longevity) is MORE than enough.
            But please, let me know if you accept the terms…

            I should also mention that HFC repairs must be certified in power and coax and Fibre Optic…FTTP have only one certification required…

          • Woops…I stand corrected. I have been messaged that the new Smart FTTH Fusion Splicer X-97 has an 8s splicing time, is fully automated, and costs less than $2,000USD.

          • Rizz sock puppet Chas,

            Point is moot, other than greenfields and certain selected areas FTTP is not being rolled out anymore , you are obviously living in a fantasy bubble because a new NBN policy was implemented in 2013.

            This new NBN policy will go through to completion in 2020.

          • @ alain

            “Verizon has put the latest numbers on its fibre-versus-copper experience, and found that glass beats metal on all counts.

            Ouch, OUch and OUCH

            Of course Verizon doesn’t know as much as the virtual inventor of the internet, the narcissist/bigotted/cultist who could have been commissioned to write MTM or their faithful dopey lap dog eh?


            You’re welcome

          • See @c isn’t putting up his repair cost comparisons.

            Alex and “light to bits layer-2” (isn’t) comes in with irrelevant details (not understanding the discussion; them nothing). Accepted direct opex cheaper for FTTH (I’ve even done the figures), we’re talking repair of cut or damaged cables.

            One know-nothing now grows to three…

          • “c isn’t putting up his repair cost comparisons”

            Notice that he has not accepted the terms…still.

            “Accepted direct opex cheaper for FTTH”

            And why would you say that is?
            Finding a fault on fibre is faster and easier than on HFC, repairing it is faster and easier, and there are fewer faults…not to mention that repairmen require less certification because it is less complex than HFC.

          • “Of course Verizon doesn’t know as much as the virtual inventor of the internet”

            Sadly it appears that no amount of fact or data can educate this spawn of Malcolm Roberts we call Richard (or “Dick”), he has his own pocket universe and he is determined to live there…

          • It just so happens that Verizon infrastructure includes wireline (copper) as well as FiOS (Fiber To the Home). But in the last few years Verizon have been offloading their wireline infrastructure off to Frontier Communications who also deploys the FiOS brand with an definitive agreement with Verizon to replace the copper infrastructure with the FiOS product. Frontier is more or less a Verizon FiOS franchise.

            In 2009 Frontier announced a $8.6 billion agreement with Verizon to acquire 4.8 million landlines in Arizona, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, South Carolina, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin

            In 2015 Frontier announced another agreement with Verizon to acquire wireline, broadband and FiOS in California, Texas and Florida. This network is a result of massive capital investments and it 54% FiOS. From April 2016 former Verizon customers on in these States have been automatically transferred to Frontier.

            Within the next 2-3 years there will be no copper networks remaining in United States as it rapidly implements the FCC’s $350 billion National Broadband Plan and retires the obsolete, outdated telephone networks under the IP Transition policies.

          • Chas

            The lack of I.Q., literacy and comprehension is STAGGERING!

            Even five year old kids have a much better brain capacity.

        • @c you’ve provided neither facts nor data. Demanding links to the most basic information.

          Your claim re repair costs is rubbish.

          • @Richard

            WTF! In what way does all your BULLSHIT relate to NetFlix streaming bitrate encoding?

            Come back when you understand streaming media technologies asshat!

            You’re OFF TOPIC arsehole!!

          • “you’ve provided neither facts nor data”

            I have provided both…I have not provided the comparison from Columbia as you have not agreed to go away for good and all should I be proven correct.

            On the other hand, you have not provided even a convincing argument, much less even a scintilla of corroboration to your wild claims. You merely flail your hands in the are and proclaim yourself knowledgeable on the subject, and how dare we even QUESTION your authority. In point of fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if you even spelled your name wrong…you never seem to know a bit of what your posting…you in essence are the Donald Trump of this Forum…and Reality is the Chris Christie.

          • @c you’ve provided nothing, zero, zilch.

            You claim to have evidence supporting your position yet not even a scintilla of corroboration to your wild claims (absurd to anyone with experience with the mediums). You merely flail your hands in the are and proclaim yourself knowledgeable on the subject as the recipient of a heavily rorted visa, and how dare we even QUESTION your authority. In point of fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if you even spelled your name wrong…you never seem to know a bit of what your posting…you in essence are the Donald Trump of this Forum…and Alex is the Chris Christie.

            @sc layer-2 light to bits (isn’t) providing her quality insights.

          • @ Richard…

            “…and how dare we even QUESTION your authority.”

            Did “YOU” the narcissist to end all narcissists, with an ego bigger than a small planet, who will bluntly deny having said something even when your words are copy/pasted with your fucking name on it…just actually say that…?

            Now I’ve heard it all…

            CLASSIC …L(l)ibertarian, angry-white-male certitude.. from a boorish, supercilious know-all with the empathy of a besser block.

            See what I did there, David, whoops I mean Richard?

            You’re welcome.

          • “you’ve provided nothing, zero, zilch”

            Hmmm…I’ve presented the cost of repair equipment, the time of repair, the qualifications required for repair, the speed of repair location data, and the differences between the two (HFC and FTTP), Not to mention the white paper by the head of networking at one of the largest HFC companies in the world and HIS costings……please list for me a single bit of data you have provided (other than your rather bizarre and arrogant blustering).

            I really think that this stuff is too advanced for your rantings…

          • Poor old Rizz, six years of bashing your head against a wall and manic sock puppetry to bolster the hate and abuse campaign, a one man band giving a whole new meaning to the definition of loser, going nowhere fast.

          • @c none relate to your claim cut and damage fibre is cheaper to repair than copper. Since you are so articulate I can only conclude your efforts to avoid publishing claimed link as a deliberate deception.

            Again direct opex per premises for the various techs calculate by myself months ago (your figures massively underestimates them btw) to destroy richard ferrers analysis (corrections abused by the fanboys, yet unsurprisingly accepted by the author).

            I really think that this stuff is too advanced for your rantings…

          • “none relate to your claim cut and damage fibre is cheaper to repair than copper”

            If you truly believe that, then maybe you should post what effects the cost, because you certainly have the rest of the world baffled.
            In fact I have a senior engineer from Corning here next to me, and he is laughing his ass off right now…

            “I can only conclude your efforts to avoid publishing claimed link as a deliberate deception”

            As I have said countless times, I will do so when you agree to leave posting here permanently if I prove you wrong. You have not done so, therefore I have kept my word…

            Good luck…

          • @c sure you do;-) That’d be a no to the link supporting your absurd claim. Pity their students, Chas, Tucker and Gregory the quality of “teaching”. Tens of thousands spent on an “education” divorced from commerical reality.

            Perfectly illustrating the old adage; those that can’t do, teach.

    • Those stats cannot be used to show anything about the NBN. Only the data from Netflix subscribers will go on the graph. Those who are not able to use Netflix at peak times because their ISP has insufficient capacity will not get counted, because they are not using it at those times.

  10. Whether labour “can’t be trusted” is a moot point.

    Fifield is showing (same as Abbott when he first got in) that the LNP still can’t get out of opposition mode.

    FFS the liberal party is now in its second term and still seems to have issues with understanding that once the election is over they need to govern instead of tell us how bad things would be if labour was in charge.

    • If you note they almost lost the last election breaking a long standing tradition of ‘auto win’ for a governing parties second term. The % swings will have them (well and Labor) more than a bit concerned.

      As such we’re going to be seeing a lot of ‘Labor sucks’ vs anything actually productive from them (sadly being productive and saying look how good we are would be a decent step forward but well backward luddites are just that).

  11. Nothing wrong with DOCSIS 3.1 HFC or FttDP, but installation is far too slow. Also government is being let off hook over upload speeds.

    • HFC has opex that is significantly higher than FTTx variants.

      I would concede on FTTdp provided there is a cost effective mechanism for FoD for customers who want to bring the OTP closer. Same with FTTB, through FoD is complicated by stratas.

      FTTN on the other hand is a fools errand.

      • HFC has opex that is significantly higher than FTTx variants.

        What is that significant figure?

        • Maintenance….
          Also requires quite a bit of capex to bring it up to scratch, particularly the Optus portion, and to fill in the gaps.

          • Is that right Damian Vague, so what is the $$$ involved for that, l’ll help you out, how about something really vague again like ‘lots’.

          • HFC Total Annual Operating Expense per Plant Mile $ 1,103.17
            FTTP Total Annual Operating Expense per Plant Mile $ 85.11

          • Mile? that’s out of date US dollars costing from totally different types of private infrastructure rollouts in another country.


          • It’s exactly the same with the same ratios.
            If you have different numbers, please post them and link your source

          • So it is out of date USA sourced private company comparisons with no application to the government backed NBN infrastructure model and costs in Australia.

            Just say so.

          • “So it is out of date USA…” blah blah blah.
            I take it that means that you are desperately trying to discredit industry standards…quite sad actually.

            As I said, please post your numbers and links. I have done so and all you can say is that it was an analysis done by one of the foremost experts in the field and has nothing to do with us because we’re “special”.

            In case you can’t find the resource, check at the ITU library where it is a main reference…or you can get it at

          • I have the latest Australian figures from the company responsible for rolling out the NBN in Australia, the cost per premise for HFC is much lower than FTTP.

            The HFC upgrade for NBN use and the further upgrade of HFC to DOCSIS 3.1 is going ahead, it is not being replaced by FTTP, and if Labor had won the last election it still would not have been overbuilt with expensive brownfields FTTP.

            Get over it, a new NBN policy was implemented in 2013, the failed Labor NBN policy was booted out, twice.

          • You do?



            Q1. Is that the same “failed HFC” (your words) you now again laud?
            A1. Yes… You point, I’ll laugh

            Q2. Is that the same DOCSIS 3.1 which will increase HFC speeds, even though you said only a few years ago that “ADSL speeds were good enough then and they would be well into the future.”
            A2. Refer answer 1

            Q3. And shall we do as you did to MQ’s NBN’s figures and ignore them as biased or simply estimations without credence?
            A3. Having seen how wrong this latest hopeless mob has been, probably wise. Particularly anything in the SR, which you have now said is obsolete (just like copper).

            Q4. Shall we also say “broadband never has had an effect on elections and never will, but later say, NBN policy was booted out twice”, as you do?
            A4. Refer answer 1

            You’re welcome

          • “I have the latest Australian figures from the company responsible for rolling out the NBN in Australia”

            I see that you still don’t know the difference between Capex (which is what CPP is) and Opex (which is what we were discussing).
            So you might as well be saying that you have grape flavoured bubblegum, it has the same relevance.

            Cost Per Premises doesn’t have a single operational cost in it…not a one.

          • So what is the NBN OPEX cost for HFC +CAPEX that makes it more expensive than FTTP CAPEX + OPEX?

            In other words a Chas calculated CPP based on CAPEX + OPEX for both HFC and FTTP in Australia.

          • “So what is the NBN OPEX cost for HFC +CAPEX that makes it more expensive than FTTP CAPEX + OPEX?”

            Over what time period?
            Opex is a continual annual cost, Capex is a one off cost.
            You just aren’t making any sense…

            CPP is not based on Capex and Opex, it is based only on Capex.

          • “I don’t have a clue”

            Agreed, you do not…but its good to see you are finally realizing this fact.
            If you had just thought it through, you would have understood sooner. How can you assign a fixed one-off amount for an ongoing expense?

          • Here you go Alt…I will quote Wikipedia:

            “An operating expense, operating expenditure, operational expense, operational expenditure or OPEX is an ongoing cost for running a product, business, or system.

            Its counterpart, a capital expenditure (CAPEX), is the cost of developing or providing non-consumable parts for the product or system”

            So a rollout and providing the connection to the premises is the Capex, or “Cost Per Premises” for connecting the NBN there.
            The Opex is the ongoing (or Operational) cost of running that system.
            Please note that the CPP is a single one time cost, and the quote I showed you was measured as an annual cost…

            Therefore, CPP is Capex, and the quote is Opex…they do not get combined.

          • Yes thanks for the meaningless copy & paste from Wiki, any clown can do that and you just did.

            So no actual new figures applicable to the NBN rollout in Australia then, so the MtM rolls on using NBN Co calculated CPP figures, while the Rizz sock puppet haters play games.

          • “Yes thanks for the meaningless copy & paste from Wiki”

            I agree…it is meaningless to provide an explanation for trolls like yourself that apparently lack the ability to read them.
            My condolences…

  12. We need to live with in our means the liberal party bullshit. To spend billions on SUBS and FIGHTER JETS that’s fine to fix the telephone back bone of this country one time is not. They have fucked austraila good for years to come. The National Party don’t give a fuck about regional Australia barney joyce proved this on q &a before the election. Fuck THEM ALL

  13. Why is this clown comparing peak speeds over city/state stats vs Australia anyway, just for cherrypicked joy?

    Netflix rankings are measured as average prime time bitrate. Peak speeds are great and all, but if Australian ISPs have congested networks when people want to watch, they will vote more Libs out. My thought is that around three years from now, at the next election, when more than 50% of Aussies still don’t have NBN, they won’t be receptive to these arguments.

    If he wants to win the hearts of technology savvy Australians, he should stop rolling his eyes back into his head while thinking about which stats to cherrypick. Instead, he should get to work and figure out how to actually ensure no snags in that Evel Kneivel ramp-up they promised (a huge ramp is needed to get a majority onto the NBN by 2019).

  14. Globally, the US average is 3.26 Mbps, while the UK is rated at 3.62 Mbps, again both significantly higher figures than Netflix quotes for Australia.

    I wouldn’t classify the difference from Australia at 2.79Mbps as significant for a national infrastructure rollout that has yet to be completed, it’s more damming for the USA figure than Australia.

    It is indeed fortunate that the MtM rollout was chosen by the Australian electorate for two elections in a row, because we would still be waiting for the Labor FTTP rollout to get out of the ramp up phase of 2013, last we heard of that rollout was they had to cut 50% from the original rollout estimates.

    Failed Labor rollout fading into history.

    • How can you say Labour rollout was a failure when it was cut short by the short sighted Liberal government. We will never know what would have happend if Labour were still in power, just shows what the liberal robot supporters are like.

      • I see you let the 50% cut back go through to the keeper, which happened under the Labor NBN Co.

        Fortunately the Australian electorate voted in a new NBN policy in 2013 and backed it again in 2016, under those circumstances the Labor rollout was understandably certainly ‘cut short’, the reason why was Coalition NBN policy was not Labor NBN policy.

        You do understand how a change of Government works?

        • That is so stupid saying that the electorate voted in a new NBN policy in 2013. The electorate voted in a new government which happened to have a joke of an NBN policy. Maybe you don’t understand how a change of government works??

          • Maybe you don’t understand how a change of government works??

            We established that he didn’t understand how it works in 2010.

        • @ alain

          “You do understand how a change of Government works?”

          Do you…?

          There’s more to it than blaming the last mob, IBM and/or ABS ya know?

          Oh you obviously don’t know…

          You’re welcome.

          And I see your contradiction record is still 100%… (ROFL…) you forgotten your previous claims that broadband policy hasn’t and doesn’t have any affect on elections?


          Apology accepted

      • “How can you say Labour rollout was a failure when it was cut short by the short sighted Liberal government”

        Because he has his own reality…hence the name.

        • It was cut short by the Australian electorate, twice.

          Move on, the failed FTTP rollout of 2010-2013 is long gone.

          • Nope, only delayed. FTTP is the necessary end result according to everyone including Turnbull

          • Wow there’s now two people in the world who believe FTTP isn’t the end goal…

            And both brainiacs post here…


            You’re welcome

          • Three sock puppet responses in a row from the same person, that’s when you know it is getting really desperate.


  15. We need Fox Mulder to stage an X-file investigation of the Liberal Party who are clearly being controlled by alien invaders, Cory Bernadi is the proof.

  16. More politicks pathetic squealing from from a noob caught with its dick stuck into the mouth of their dead pig

    Lets take 2 of the averages and analyse them – Australia’s 2.69Mbps -vs- U.S. 3.26Mbps

    According to the latest 2016 Broadband Progress Report issued by the FCC the average speed has tripled in the last 3.5 years checking in at 31Mbps in September 2014. Cablevision checked in at 60Mbps, Verizon & Charter at 50Mbps, Cox at 40Mbps and Comcast at 35Mbps. The State of New Jersey had the highest 57Mbps while the lowest was in State of Idaho at 14Mbps.

    Netflix have three plans available which you select depending on your budget, bandwidth limitations and PC capabilities. Basic, Standard & Premium

    Recommended speeds are:
    0.5 Megabits per second – Required broadband connection speed
    1.5 Megabits per second – Recommended broadband connection speed
    3.0 Megabits per second – Recommended for SD quality
    5.0 Megabits per second – Recommended for HD quality
    25 Megabits per second – Recommended for Ultra HD quality

    All Netflix titles are encoded in varying resolutions (Per-Title Encode Optimization)
    Bitrate (kbps) Resolution
    235 320×240
    375 384×288
    560 512×384
    750 512×384
    1050 640×480
    1750 720×480
    2350 1280×720
    3000 1280×720
    4300 1920×1080
    5800 1920×1080

    NetFlix also has a compression algorithm to enable streaming on low bandwidth connections and mobile devices which they won’t disclose.

    NetFlix will only stream video content at the encoded bitrate of the chosen title even if you are on a Premium Plan. Additionally if you are viewing a title on your PC, you’d best have a decent graphics card or GPU for Ultra-HD and HD video content.

    All this tells me is that Australians are limited to slower average broadband speeds than Americans. Australians obviously subscribe to low bandwidth Netflix plans (Basic or Standard) and only watch SD quality content which has a much lower bandwidth demand.

    In San Francisco I am on a Sonic Fiber Gigabit plan. A 5800kbps encoded video doesn’t even touch the sides even if we are viewing on 4 screens in our household.

    Things don’t get exciting until you start viewing 4K Video Over IP.

    Unfortunately Australians won’t get the opportunity to watch AT&T’s live sporting events in 4K via DirecTV and Comcast’s coverage of the 2016 Olympic Games or Amazon which delivers 4K streaming content.

    In the U.S. the FCC’s legal definition of BROADBAND is not less than 25/3Mbps

    Suck on it Mitch!

  17. Since when are netflix users representative of the whole population? This is only representative of a fraction of middle class residental.

    • Your broadband connection speed and video streaming bitrate are two totally different things

      Streaming bitrate depends on which NetFlix plan you have chosen AND the encoded bitrate that NetFlix has chosen for a particular title. If you are viewing a 720×480 title you are only using about 1750Kbps. If you are viewing a 1280×720 title you are consuming about 2350Kbps.

      Same applies to ShoutCAST audio streaming

  18. This “netflix rating” is just an average bandwidth use of netflix users streaming between Standard Definition and High Definition.
    It will mostly determine what netflix users use more between SD and HD content.

    Though results may be slightly altered by those who suffer poor connections below 5Mbps and get some upgrade or even improvement in very bad congestion.
    Yet if you look at the history chart, the average samples are all over the place.

    These figures are inconclusive to network progress.

    You DO NOT benchmark 12/25/50/100 Mbps connections with 3-5Mbps streams as it will not be the only thing used in most households. Nor does it even push a 12Mbps (lowest plan nbn/average ADSL2+) connection to its throughput potential.

    Nice try Fifield, guess we know how low standards you aim for.

    • Daniel

      When these idiots continuously lie about the fundamental nature of various technologies for the sake of political point scoring makes the entire world split their sides with laughter.

      This guy is worse then Richard Alston, Helen Coonan & Daryl Williams.

      Anyone can go an lookup how media streaming functions. The NetFlix website has plenty of information on the topic.

      It can only happen in Australia.

      • makes the entire world split their sides with laughter.

        Not as much as the Rizz ‘I’m in the USA’ Snow Crash sock puppet comedy.

        Don’t forget those ‘shrimps on the barbie’.


      • “Richard Alston, Helen Coonan & Daryl Williams.”

        Each following Comm’s minister seemingly wishes to out do the former :/ sadly they’re going in the wrong direction.

          • “Lucky we got Conroy then eh?”

            Yup…that way, at least 20% of the NBN will be usable.

          • May I HC…

            @ alain

            “Your comment is invalid…”

            But I’ll play anyway alain, as I love to help the less fortunate…

            Seems you missed this, follow-up, how odd…


            A few gems from Renai, from within…


            “Well, I am here today to formally apologise. I was wrong to have faith in Malcolm Turnbull and the Coalition on this issue. You were all right, and I was wrong….

            At the heart of all of this is a basic underlying question: Is the Coalition sincerely attempting to deliver better broadband services to all Australians. I have long believed that answer to be “yes”. Today I can conclusively say that the answer to that question is “no”.

            With all this in mind, I would like to issue a formal apology to Delimiter’s readers. I was wrong. I was wrong to believe Malcolm Turnbull that he had honourable intentions for the NBN. I was wrong to believe that the project would survive in a reasonable form under a Coalition Government. I was wrong to trust that the dream of faster broadband for all Australians could be still be realised in a different model.

            Please believe me, once and for all, that I have lost any faith I had in Turnbull in his role as the Communications Minister and as a leader in Australia’s technology landscape. From now on Delimiter’s default position will be that the Minister is not acting in the best interests of Australia from a NBN perspective.


            LOL indeed…

            You’re welcome

          • “NBN ‘on track’ and buoyed by exceeding network rollout targets”

            Which only goes to show that if you keep dropping your targets, eventually you will hit them…

  19. I have just got a new 4K TV and am now watching 4K content on Netflix.
    I am in a FTTP zone so I am all right but it does use a far wack of bandwidth 20mbps to 25mbps.
    I have even seen it peek at 30mbps.
    With the rise of UHD content and the slow death of HD content 25mbps is not going to cut it past next year.
    I am on 100/40 unlimited and what I have realized is that upload is starting to become a factor with online cloud backup and even being able to access your data remotely.
    I don’t see my connection being able to cut it by the end of next year.
    It’s more of a fact that you don’t realize you need it to you have it I was on ADSL2 with 8Mbps last year.

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