Telstra 100Mbps HFC cable goes national

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Renai LeMay
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news Australia’s largest telco Telstra late yesterday confirmed it would roll out 100Mbps speeds on its HFC cable nationally, following a pilot of the enabling DOCSIS 3.0 technology in Melbourne from 2009 and a similar rollout by arch-rival Optus.

“BigPond Cable broadband customers in Adelaide, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Sydney and Perth will soon be able to take up plans offering download speeds of up to a maximum of 100 Megabits per second (Mbps) into the home, for sharing across multiple users in a household,” the company said in a statement, following a report by iTNews on the issue.

“Telstra today confirmed its BigPond Cable Broadband (HFC) network is being upgraded to a technical specification know as DOCSIS 3.0, providing additional capacity in our network due to increased customer demand.” The telco said the upgrade would be available to customers from mid-December, with pricing to be released closer to launch. The upgrade will see Telstra follow a similar Optus upgrade which the SingTel subsidiary has rolled out in Australia over the past several years.

In August 2010 Optus revealed it had completed the DOCSIS 3.0 upgrade in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney. As with Telstra, the upgrade technically unlocks 100Mbps speeds, but real-world speeds averaged just under 75Mbps in a test of some 6,000 customer connections. Telstra’s national HFC network currently supports speeds of up to 30Mbps.

However, Optus does not actively market its HFC cable network, with information on the infrastructure hard to find on its web site and the telco reluctant to offer new HFC cable connections to customers. For a number of years it has preferred connecting customers to resold ADSL services on Telstra’s copper network.

The Telstra upgrades come as the issue of the future of the HFC cable networks operated by the telco and Optus is a matter of public debate, due to the Coalition’s rival National Broadband Network policy, which features re-use and upgrade of the infrastructure as a core policy plank.

In March this year, after returning from a visit to Korea, Shadow Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull highlighted the availability of HFC cable networks in the country as an example of telecommunications infrastructure competition at work — with residents often having the choice between competing fibre and HFC networks.

“As NBN Co’s corporate plan acknowledges, HFC node splitting ‘could be implemented as early as 2013 and would result in an increase in typical download speeds to 240Mbps and upstream speeds to 12Mbps’,” said Turnbull in August. In the US, UK, Canada, South Korea, Japan and many other countries HFC is a fiercely viable competitor to copper – indeed it is usually the only threat that prompts incumbent telecoms to upgrade to FTTx.”

Under the current Labor Government’s NBN plan, broadband services will gradually cease to be provided over the HFC networks as both Telstra and Optus shift their customers onto the NBN’s fibre infrastructure as it is rolled out nationally.

Image credit: Enzo Forciniti, royalty free

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  4. NBN: Korea kept its HFC cable, says Turnbull
  5. Budde says he warned Turnbull about Optus HFC cable issue

131 COMMENTS

  1. Perhaps it’s all cunningly disguised as a NBN pilot before they switch it off because the NBN Co needs those customers.

    :)

  2. Looks like a blatant attempt to lock customers in ahead of the NBN, have you seen the Terms of Service, equipment installation costs etc… ? @pblakez

  5. ” with information on the infrastructure hard to find on its web site ”

    have you ever tried to find out where the telstra HFC network runs?
    i know that it is available in very limited supply in a handful of perth suburbs, but i have never been able to find out exactly which suburbs have it.

    you would think that there’d be a list available on the telstra site. i mean they installed it after all, they should know where it is.

      • no it’s not too hard to enter an address.
        assuming of course that i know the exact address of the suburb i wish to live in.

        using a method such as that requires that you already have an address to check.
        if you’re moving house and would prefer to search based on neighbourhood you can’t.

        like i said before, they know which neighbourhoods have had cable rolled out to them, why can’t they just list them?

        • Well put in the neighbourhood address you intend to move to, or are you planning your move totally random dependent on where Telstra 100 Mbps is, even to another state?

          :)

          • you might be surprised how many people move based on the services available to them.

          • Yes and? … you look up on Google Maps street address where think you might want to go and enter it into the broadband checker.

          • Telstra checker wants phone number and street address. So if you are looking then ah yeah, you can’t

        • As far as I aware neither Telstra or Optus have in the public domain HFC network maps so the address checker will have to do.

          • So even though HFC is touted as a reason why the NBN is not needed we are not even allowed to know exactly where the network runs, I can go on NBNco’s website right now and find maps of the areas they cover with the far superior fibre. The private sector fails yet again. +1 NBNco.

          • Yeah I am sure the lack of a network map means BigPond won’t sell any of the upgraded speed cable product, but I guess they can live with that ‘problem’.

            BTW you really are floundering to desperately point score even more than usual.

          • Sorry alian, you must be mistaken again, point scoring is really not my style, making relevant points is. You should pay more attention to my posts you could learn something, if you do perhaps one day you’ll be able to improve your own posts.

          • “Yeah I am sure the lack of a network map means BigPond won’t sell any of the upgraded speed cable product, but I guess they can live with that ‘problem’.”

            Haven’t you just spent half the thread telling people to:

            a) not buy it
            b) not buy it because speed is irrelevant
            c) don’t need the speed
            d) bigpond won’t have problems selling.. wait what?

            Sorry?

          • Sorry I don’t know what the link is between any of that rant and what I said is at all.

  6. And if you live outside the 25% of cable coverage ?
    – well bad luck old chap

    And if you need greater than 2Mbps upload ?
    – well bad luck old chap

    And if you need cable through Internode, TPG, Primus etc ?
    – well bad luck old chap

    And if you need Multicast services ?
    – well bad luck old chap

    • “And if you need greater than 2Mbps upload ?”

      According to some you don’t need more than 1mbps. 2mbps is an extravagance.

        • “Yes I am sure BigPond will be disappointed at all those lost sales because the upload speed is not a ‘HC approved’ speed.”

          So what is a alain approved upload speed. Seriously I would like to know. The coalition are suggesting 5-10mbps with their FTTN patchwork but you believe 2mbps is plenty for HFC users. Wouldn’t this make the coalitions plan quite extravagant by contrast? Also wouldn’t this create a digital divide or does it simply not matter because 2mbps is enough for everyone? In which case explain the point of 5-10mbps on FTTN, what are the apps that take advantage of this speed that HFC users cant do already with 2mbps?

          “indicates selling BigPond HFC 100Mbps won’t be a problem.”

          So 100mbps is needed after all? Explains what apps need 100mbps?

          “with 19183 reads”

          19183 reads = 19183 sales???

          “with 7640 reads”

          7640 reads = 7640 sales???

        • Wait a sec, I didn’t even realise you posted Whirlpoop forums links, isn’t Whirlpool just a “tech geek” site? Remember only “tech geeks” want the faster speeds, are there any average users that want 100mbps?

          • Really desperate stuff HC , I can even see the beads of sweat as you look for a way out.

            lol

          • You seem to be projecting again alian. You didn’t even bother to answer the questions, but dont worry you’ll have more opportunities to answer these in the future I’m sure. Keep up the dodge work too, this was one of your best.

          • @HC

            I am not answering your questions because you ask loaded questions based on a inference I never made in the first place, so the question is totally false in content, answering them only gives them a credence that it is in anyway valid.

            Example: Reads figure I quoted from Whirlpool = sales of Telstra 100 Mbps plans (your loaded inference), I never said it was sales, all it indicates is a high level of reader interest on WP in these plans.

            I doubt Telstra would bother to upgrade their network if they felt they would not get sales out of it, the only thing I can think of knowing you as a rabid one eyed NBN apologist trying to downplay it is that you don’t like seeing existing working infrastructure being speed upgraded, it unhinges your ‘we need FTTH and only FTTH’ agenda.

            You also go off into some rant about about FTTN and the Coalition as if it is somehow linked to what Telstra is doing in 2011 with their HFC network, then turn that into more loaded questions, totally bizarre off topic unanswerable stuff.

          • “I am not answering your questions because you ask loaded questions”

            They are not loaded questions at all. Let’s review:

            [So what is a alain approved upload speed.]
            Reasonable query. Is this one too hard?

            [Wouldn’t this make the coalitions plan quite extravagant by contrast?]
            Reasonable question considering you believe the coalitions 5-10mbps is not meagre while implying 2mbps on HFC is enough.

            [what are the apps that take advantage of this speed that HFC users cant do already with 2mbps?]
            Well? You endorse the coalitions anything but FTTH plan so surely you must know.

            [are there any average users that want 100mbps?]
            You just said “selling BigPond HFC 100Mbps won’t be a problem” So who will be buying these plans? Average users?

            “that you don’t like seeing existing working infrastructure being speed upgraded, it unhinges your ‘we need FTTH and only FTTH’ agenda.”

            I think you’ll find these speed upgrades actually unhinge your “more speed is not needed” agenda. I on the other hand actually welcome these much needed speed increases, that doesn’t change the fact that HFC is redundant but remember I am pro-NBN and pro-progress so I think you’ll find the opposite is true. Did you notice that the majority of Australia is not covered by HFC?

            “totally bizarre off topic unanswerable stuff.”

            Nothing off topic here. The topic of the day telecommunications infrastructure in Australia, however what is really bizarre is that you are unable to answer them… oh wait that’s not bizarre at all. Thanks for stopping by.

          • “They are not loaded questions at all.

            They certainly are, you just saying they are not doesn’t mean anything, just like your statements on what constitutes redundant infrastructure, patchwork, upload minimums etc, all meaningless contrived agenda driven HC blather.

            I’m still not answering them, you know what you are trying to do, then you can blather on about how I failed to answer them (as if that means anything anyway) – loaded question trolling exercise fail.

          • “They certainly are, you just saying they are not doesn’t mean anything”

            They certainly aren’t, you just saying they are doesn’t mean anything.

            “blah blah blah more bitter tears etc upload minimums”

            Then tell us what the upload minimum should be. See, asking for clarification about your position on a subject is not a “loaded question” it’s asking for clarification.

            “I’m still not answering them”

            I don’t expect you to, if you did that would expose your hypocrisy…

            “you know what you are trying to do”

            You sound a bit paranoid…

            ” how I failed to answer them”

            If you answered them I would be surprised, you have a history of dodging questions when it all gets a bit too much to handle. This is a prime example.

          • I don’t really care, it’s a total waste of space responding to you, you win by the sheer relentless off topic mind numbing boredom of it all.

          • You still whining? I assumed you had already gone into hibernation mode… btw interesting formula you have there, create “sheer relentless off topic mind numbing boredom” accuse others of “sheer relentless off topic mind numbing boredom”.

          • So, you can’t answer then….thanks for confirming you are full of…stuffs….here’s an easy question for you…

            Can you show me a plan on ADSL2+ that cost $39.90/month, constant guarantee 20+ Mbps no matter how far i’m away from the exchange, with unlimited national/international voice call and unlimited national/international text, all for $39.90.

          • “I never said it was sales, all it indicates is a high level of reader interest on WP in these plans.”

            http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1602895

            22798 reads.

            http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1796161

            6612 reads.

            http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1501225

            10985 reads.

            http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1675276

            12526 reads, indicates selling NBN plans won’t be a problem.

            I’m not saying these are sales, all it indicates is a high level of reader interest on WP in these plans.

          • …..oh and the comparison with the NBN reader interest in WP is wrong anyway (you are good at that), because with the NBN you don’t have a choice, with the Telstra 100Mbps plan if you have HFC in your street you can take it your leave it, they are not shutting down ADSL so you are forced onto it.

          • So according to you “selling BigPond HFC 100Mbps won’t be a problem” because a thread on WP has 7640 reads but since in the case of the NBN “you don’t have a choice” there is no real interest in 100mbps??? Keep in mind the 100mbps NBN plans are better value for money so even if they kept the redundant HFC running to compete with the NBN Telstra and Optus would be screwed… unless you are suggesting Telstra and Optus customers are complete idiots.

    • I think everyone is totally aware of the HFC footprint by now and where and when it was stopped, in the same way you are totally aware when you try and order Naked DSL/ non-Telstra ADSL2+ from the likes of TPG, iiNet , Optus and Internode etc exactly where the ‘well bad luck old chap’ areas are also.

      • no alain everyone is not aware. hence my issue with telstra not making it clear enough where they have their hfc network. i’m not just targeting telstra here, optus don’t list it either.

        did you consider that some people are either not old enough to remember the hfc rollout debacle or were not even in a rollout out area when it happened?
        how would those people know where and when it stopped?

        i will admit that looking for exchange info is easier to do these days, but that is due more to the efforts of third party websites like whirlpool and adsl2exchanges.com.au etc.

        • “will admit that looking for exchange info is easier to do these days, but that is due more to the efforts of third party websites like whirlpool and adsl2exchanges.com.au etc.”

          Great, well use it then.

  7. On Telstra in general. I live in the 2nd largest town in Victoria.

    I just did a check to see if Telstra anything was available for me. I am within 10min of the CBD of the town I live in.

    Only option available to me from Telstra for where I am is…..Mobile Broadband!!

    So that means no ADSL Broadband, no Cable Broadband, no Velocity Broadband.

    • Yes and what has that got to do with Telstra releasing 100Mbps into areas that already have HFC and you know Optus and Telstra have no intention of increasing that rollout especially in the face of contractual deals that effectively signs all customers over to the NBN Co anyway?

      You expect Telstra to read your ‘waa I want HFC’ post and say ‘Where are you, we will rollout HFC to you immediately’ ?

      • “Yes and what has that got to do with Telstra releasing 100Mbps into areas that already have HFC ”

        and what areas would they be?

      • eh? where did I say I want HFC. I was just curious to see if it was in my area or not because I don’t actually know where the HFC cables are.

    • @PointZeroOne

      ‘I have no idea where the HFC footprint is’

      Well you do.

      ‘Only option available to me from Telstra for where I am is…..Mobile Broadband!!

      So that means no ADSL Broadband, no Cable Broadband, no Velocity Broadband.

      • whoohoo by process of elimination I can confirm that the HFC stuffs is not in my area and is in other areas that I am not in.

        So I can conclude that I now know where the HFC is and that is where I am not.

  8. Can someone confirm the upload speeds and extra cost for this? I’d be interested in signing up because anything is better than my current just over 1Mbps upload speeds. Not to mention that for some fraked up reason I can only (no joke) get Telstra Cable at my current residence.

    • If its the same as Telstra’s original 100mbit plan, the extra cost is a one of $200 fee (no increase in monthly charges), and the upload is either 4 or 8 mbit

      Optus costs either 20 or 30 dollars extra a month (and they also offer 1tb plans on HFC)

      • so you don’t know and can only offer me a ballpark figure on upload? Thanks. *sigh* Why doesn’t Telstra seem to publish their upload speeds anywhere!

        Thanks for the pricing information regardless.

          • Well don’t buy it then, you see that’s the nice thing about choice if you don’t want it don’t buy it, not only that that you didn’t contribute to the HFC rollout, Telstra is wearing the risk on that one, and neither is anyone forced onto it because there is no other fixed line infrastructure.

            We will have to wait for the NBN to be forced onto infrastructure we don’t need in areas that already have high speed fixed line choices , that way they can prove that therefore everyone needs it.

            lol

          • Funny that you mention choice Alain, did you miss the point where I said:

            Not to mention that for some fraked up reason I can only (no joke) get Telstra Cable at my current residence.

            Now, I want to increase upload, as the just over 1Mbps (1.25Mbps being the actual PIR) at my current residence, and I want to do it while using technology reliable enough to serve my needs and with enough quota (which puts 3G and 4G out of the running).

            There are two ways for me to do this, therefore, upgrade my cable plan, or somehow convince some provider to run a business grade fibre or SHDSL line to my residence (hint: that is unlikely, even if I could afford it).

            So, given that: if I want to increase my upload, where precisely does choice come into the decision, it comes down to, I either do it, or I don’t. So, I will still do it, but 2Mbps on a 100Mbps plan? That is taking the piss.

          • Well it sounds like you want a business grade connection but only want to pay residential rates, so a compromise it has to be, that’s why many small to medium business are behind the NBN all the way, the taxpayer bankrolls their ‘business grade’ connection for them.

          • Oh, so the fact that Telstra Velocity offers 8Mbps upload (Velocity classed as a residential grade connection), which I would actually be happy with (even 4Mbps would be fine for my requirements), is irrelevant? Or how about the fact the residential grade HFC connections in other connections on cable in other countries have faster upload speeds even for plans slower than 100Mbps?

            TWC has 5Mbps for their 50Mbps connection, Virgin Media is the same, also Comcast, do you need me to go on?

            Also, did you hear the part where I said it is unlikely that any ISP will be willing to rollout a business grade fibre or SHDSL connection to where my residence regardless of the fact I do not have $5K-$50K to pay for it?

            Face it Alain, 2Mbps on a 100Mbps connection is taking the piss.

          • ” 2Mbps on a 100Mbps connection is taking the piss.”

            Some people would say 2mbps is an extravagance and you want 4mbps, that is lunacy! :-)

            btw would you be willing to trade some of the download capacity on these HFC plans for increased upload? Say instead of 100mbps you get 50mbps but the advantage is you get 20mbps upload?

          • “Face it Alain, 2Mbps on a 100Mbps connection is taking the piss.”

            Well don’t buy it then, that’s what they are offering as their product , ask Telstra’s HFC competitor Optus to start competing for a change instead of just whining about Telstra all the time.

          • Telstra Velocity is a residential grade service, not commercial

            The reason why upload links in general are limited in such a way is to prevent people from running higher tier servers at home, because they generate enormous amounts of contention

            If you want faster upload speeds, get business grade plan

          • I listed multiple examples where the upload ratio has been limited less across the world, and although I can understand the justification you just offered, why do they offer 5Mbps on Velocity, and only 2Mbps on HFC?

            If they are worried about contention, bond more channels, or monitor and shape excessive upload traffic.

          • You need to apply special modems if you bond too many channels, and that costs XXXXXX

            Also there is much more contention on HFC than on the fibre, because HFC is still being used for foxtel where as with many cases the fibre is just being used as a standard net connection (if you just use fibre to read emails, you are not going to generate much contention)

            I mean its the exact same reason why iiNet started charging for uploads when they used to never count for data, its all about managing contention

          • Special modems? The worldwide defacto industry standard is for connections in the order of 10:1 ratio (50/5 being a common deployment, 100/10 for Virgin Media for example). So Telstra thinks that Australia’s will be server or upload whores compared to users in the UK and US?

            Also again, with the worldwide defacto industry standard having higher upload connections, you would think that providers like Comcast, TWC and Virgin Media, who also have similar amounts of (if not more) Television content as Foxtel would also face the problem of a small channel pool to work their Broadband connections off, and yet they are able to offer more uploads.

            Please stop beating around the bush, do you actually have any valid justification related to the network or usage patterns of HFC cable or network topology that justify the low upload speed when compared to other cable providers across the world?

            The only thing I can think of is possibly that because Telstra and Optus had supposedly decided to connect a lot more houses to their nodes than is typically done, and this is causing problems with them finding the channels to provide decent services, however I find no concrete evidence to suggest that this is actually the case and not a rumour.

          • Well until you get an explanation from someone in HFC technical support at Telstra ( that isn’t likely) you will have to buy what ever is on offer, you can surmise all day and night why the upload speed is not greater, but as I stated earlier I don’t think that will have a detrimental effect upon BigPond’s 100Mbps cable sales.

            Just be thankful Telstra are least upgrading HFC knowing full well that it is only temporary because the NBN needs those customers and Telstra has been paid handsomely to hand them over.

          • “I don’t think that will have a detrimental effect upon BigPond’s 100Mbps cable sales.”

            Do you believe there is a demand for 100mbps download speeds? If so explain what apps require 100mbps download speeds.

    • Also I read an article on the train, and the cost for the 100mbit Telstra is now apparently only 150 dollars

  9. Some journalist should do an investigation into the future (non) upgrade path for HFC beyond Docsis3.

    • There is no upgrade path beyond DOCIS 3.0. It’s a hybrid cable, won’t be able to deliver the future speed demand…i’m talking about future here as oppose to the narrow minded who seems to be stuck in the stone age “what we have NOW is enough”…..notice the NOW…not future….

      • Even though the European DOCSIS 3 provides faster speeds then the DOCSIS 3 used in other countries, and through channel bonding Virgin in Britain has been able to provide gigabit speeds over HFC?

        I wouldn’t comment about what I don’t know about if I was you

        • How does that invalidate his statement?EuroDOCSIS 3.0 still has no known upgrade path, and changing between the standards is likely not worth the effort. Channel bonding in the US by Comcast has also yielded 1Gbps speeds, but bonding is still part of the DOCSIS 3 standard.

          So, his statement is completely valid.

          • No it is not valid, you have just posted why. DOCSIS allows channel bonding, but not “unlimited” channel bonding, which is whats used to bring gigabit speeds

          • Actually, DOCSIS 3.0 has no upper limit to the amount of channels that can be bonded. Both Optus and Telstra have upgraded to DOCSIS 3.0 in order to provide the 100Mbps speeds they are providing now. Gigabit speeds are able to be provided by increasing the amount of channels bonded, which although requires new equipment, is still allowed within the standard.

        • “Virgin in Britain has been able to provide gigabit speeds over HFC”

          What apps require gigabit download speeds? Will there be a future speed demand for such a thing?

          • The gigabit speeds are only available to big corporations, its considered a commercial connection for premises that are already connected by HFC

            Also, I have no issue in providing fibre commercial areas, hospitals, schools, etc etc, but residences is a completely different ballgame

          • “The gigabit speeds are only available to big corporations”

            For a start this does not answer the question secondly do you have a source to back up this claim? AFAIK Virgin only started trials in April:

            http://seekbroadband.com/focus/2011/04/20/ispwatch/virgin-media-ups-broadband-pace-to-1-5gbps/

            Here are a few quotes:

            “ensuring Virgin Media business and residential customers continue to enjoy world-class broadband.”

            “While the average home might not need these speeds quite yet, we certainly will.”

            “According to Virgin, its “future-proofed” infrastructure”

            So the question remains what apps require gigabit download speeds and will there be a future speed demand for such a thing? (Feel free to use the examples from the link provided) Also what will be the productivity benefits of such a speed for “business and residential customers”?

      • @Salami

        “won’t be able to deliver the future speed demand…”

        What ‘future speed demand’ won’t HFC be able to meet?

        • Nope….HFC is shared bandwith….the more people connect to the HFC loop, the slower it gets.

          • I have to point out that you are only correct up to a point here Salami. You can bond more channels together to increase the pool of bandwidth available to consumers.

            The upper limit to DOCSIS 3.0 is about 6Gbps. This is the reason why they haven’t bothered ratifying a new standard and won’t for a while, but I don’t actually expect the whole “No upgrade path for DOCSIS 3.0” line will hold forever, and obviously GPON is a better technology in the sharing of bandwidth regard.

            Of course to increase this pool you need to reduce the number of channels you use for television, but you would think that you can make up the shortfall by offering VoD and other technologies. However I worked out that if you were to offer 1Gbps/400Mbps services you could do it on current HFC networks using DOCSIS 3.0 (without any television channels to consumers, and assuming everyone takes up the 1Gbps plan) at a contention ratio of about 125 to 1. Considering that not everyone will be using the 1Gbps services, and people will be using competing technologies, this is all that bad, but we can obviously do better with other technologies (e.g. GPON).

          • You clearly do not know what you are talking about, GPON and HFC are both shared architectures, in fact they are almost completely the same in topology, the difference of course is that HFC is coaxial on the last mile

            GPON is just as shared as HFC is

          • Not quite true, although the current GPON standards have a lower bandwidth pool than that accessible by channel bonding in DOCSIS 3.0, GPON is only shared between 32-64 clients, where as HFC networks are shared between 400-1200 clients.

            In typical deployment situations (32 for GPON, 400-500 for HFC), assuming 1Gbps/400Mbps connections, the contention ratio at hardware for GPON is 13:1, whereas HFC is closer to 100:1.

          • HFC/GPON can be shared by any arbitrary number of people, some countries do 100+ GPON splits, and a lot of countries do sub 100 HFC splits

            They are both exact same in design, there is a term called node splitting where you reduce the number of people in a node split (to improve their bandwidth)

          • That may be so, but GPON in general is split between less clients than HFC, because the standard for GPON does not allow for as many clients as HFC, and HFC networks were deployed in general before the requirement for Broadband in their design.

  10. So, to paraphrase alain:

    HFC 100 mbits is fine, we don’t need a map, coverage is irrelevant, it’s more expensive because (something unintelligible) Telstra won’t have a problem selling, where the issue here?

    NBN 100 mbits isn’t fine, we don’t need it (at all) it’s never going to sell why can’t anyone see the issue?

    In other words – if it’s Telstra “booyah!”, if it’s anyone else, f*ck off. ;)

      • Well no the direct opposite in fact, if that’s an example of ‘nailing it’ his thumb must be very sore.

        Perhaps you are just paraphrasing here?

        • Who who I be paraphrasing with “Nailed it”? That makes no sense. Regardless you have to admit Brendan did a very good job of describing your idiocy here. If you disagree, feel free to take it up with him.

          • That’s not very polite, but you have got away with it multiple times before why break the habit of resorting to personal attacks now eh?

          • Oh that rigged rubbish, I have already covered that but you will carry it around like baggage for a eternity repetitively crowing over and over and over how you ‘have got one over Alain’ because he didn’t answer this loaded question (link supplied).

            BTW It’s still a personal attack.

          • “I have already covered that”

            Actually you didn’t, all you did was avoid the simple questions asked and then started whining… now you are claiming “personal attack”.

            btw you sound a bit paranoid again, there is no crowing here, I don’t need to, you make yourself look foolish enough as it is.

            “BTW It’s still a personal attack.”

            If you have thin skin you can interpret it that way, if you are able to comprehend the difference between describing your hypocrisy as “idiocy” and an actual personal attack which would be “you are an idiot” then no.

            btw don’t forget the questions you dodged here: http://delimiter.com.au/2011/11/23/telstra-100mbps-hfc-cable-goes-national/#comment-219805

            Would you like to answer those or continue with your off topic diversion about “personal attacks”?

          • I’ll ‘dodge the questions’ if that’s the outcome you want, they are irrelevant and don’t even make any sense.

          • “they are irrelevant”

            You said:

            “Yes I am sure BigPond will be disappointed at all those lost sales because the upload speed is not a ‘HC approved’ speed.”

            I asked:

            “So what is a alain approved upload speed.”

            Explain how that is not relevant.

            “don’t even make any sense.”

            Somehow I’m not surprised but I keep forgetting that what we consider simple questions are gargantuan obstacles for you…

    • don’t forget the part about HFC 100 mbit only rolling out where there is existing telstra HFC (wherever that may be. alain apparently knows, but like telstra, he isn’t telling).

      as opposed to NBN 100 mbit rolling out to pretty much the entire country.

      • No I don’t know, but if I wanted to find out I would ring Telstra, I think they might know, I don’t think their ordering systems would allow you to order cable if you cannot get it.

    • @Brendan

      I didn’t say any of that, no wonder you use the term ‘paraphrasing’ which like HC is used when you want to try and excuse the fact you made it all up.

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    • Wow, that’s some competition for the NBN. I’ll take a plan if there is no extra charge for a slightly longer cable for connection. You have no problem with running one across the Pacific? I am near the cost so getting from their to my house shouldn’t be too much of a problem.
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  12. Ok. Bit off topic here but we still would like to know a few things.

    1. Can we see a map of current/future Cable Internet Offerings

    2. Can we see a map of current/future NBN offerings

    http://www.adsl2exchanges.com.au/ and whirlpool give good maps and information about someones area. But if I want to move to an area in which I want to get good internet I need to know around where the best places are to move to.

    We get a map for both Mobile Broadband and ADSL so why not NBN and Cable?

  13. Either, way I cannot wait to get some real speed for my internet. All the current ISPs struggle with uploads and being a photographer, I often have to upload images and video online and I have to wait for hours for a video to be uploaded onto YouTube.

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