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  • Telecommunications - Written by on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 11:44 - 70 Comments

    NBN Co reveals 2012 rollout schedule

    news The National Broadband Network Company has revealed the locations where it will roll out its national fibre and wireless network over the next 12 months, with cities, towns and suburbs all over Australia to receive the infrastructure in an accelerated process throughout 2012.

    The 28 new locations of the rollout are available in the company’s press release, available below this article in table format. They range from metropolitan areas in major cities — such as Strathfield in Sydney and Modbury in Adelaide — to rural cities and towns such as Coffs Harbour, Wollongong, Toowoomba and more.

    NBN Co will also expand its existing infrastructure in early stage rollout zones such as Townsville.
    In the company’s statement, it stated its fibre rollout would pass an extra 485,000 premises over the next 12 months, with a further 63,500 to be passed at existing early stage rollout zones. NBN Co will also update its 12 month schedule on a quarterly basis to include additional locations, and it plans to issue a three-year indicative view of its plans early in 2012 — which will be updated annually.

    On average, the company expects the rollout process to take 12 months in each location, from commencement through to the network being available for commercial use by customers. Some 12 retail ISPs — including major companies like iiNet, Internode and Primus — have already completed NBN Co’s ‘on-boarding’ process and are already offering commercial services over the NBN.

    “Today’s announcement represents the start of a major nationwide construction effort that should eventually see us offer NBN coverage to every one of Australia’s 13 million premises,” said NBN Co chief executive Mike Quigley.

    “We will be publishing regular updated about where precisely the NBN is being rolled out and when it will reach each area. Public education activity, to launch next year, will also explain what the rollout will mean for every Australian, how to connect to the network and why it is important that the nation upgrades its telecommunications activity.”

    The company also revealed today that the next phase of its network construction would also involve the deployment of its ‘transit network’, which connect its different fibre access notes to points where network traffic will be transferred to ISPs. “In this first stage, NBN Co is planning to construct 149 transit links connecting 155 fibre access nodes, of which 30 are also points of interconnect,” the company said.

    The company is also currently building fibre infrastructure in over 90 new development housing estates — comprising almost 5,000 premises. And over the next 12 months, NBN Co has also approved applications with developers to build fibre in about 500 separate towns and suburbs nationally — comprising over 67,000 premises in new developments.

    NBN Co hasn’t quite gotten all of its construction arrangements bedded down yet, however. Although it now has construction contracts covering most states, it noted today that it was “current progressing negotiations” with a contractor to roll out the NBN in South Australia and the Northern Territory. Darwin, for example, is on the list for the NBN rollout in the next 12 months.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard attended an event in Wollongong today to mark the release of NBN Co’s 12 month rollout plan.



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    1. Anonymous
      Posted 18/10/2011 at 12:00 pm | Permalink | Reply

      :(

    2. Posted 18/10/2011 at 12:06 pm | Permalink | Reply

      My number didn’t come up in the NBN lottery :-(

      • alain
        Posted 20/10/2011 at 11:37 am | Permalink | Reply

        Neither did mine, but never mind I’ll survive, but then again I didn’t sign up for HFC either.

    3. Posted 18/10/2011 at 12:18 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Wait three months folks…new locations every three months…

    4. Gwyntaglaw
      Posted 18/10/2011 at 12:36 pm | Permalink | Reply

      No Randwick, eh Renai?

      Still, the pattern is clear enough – half the new sites are more or less contiguous with previously announced/built sites (eg Dapto/Wollongong near Kiama, Sawtell near Coffs Harbour). Some other sites are brand new. I imagine that as more construction teams come online, there will be more unique locations announced as well.

      And as Michael points out, the list will be updated every three months, so keep tuned…

      • Posted 18/10/2011 at 12:46 pm | Permalink | Reply

        A lot of the “new” sites seem to be NSW and Queensland – (relating to the Silcar deal, signed first) – followed by areas covered by the later deals. Silcar just seem further down the line with preparations.

        Patience, grasshoppers.

        • Gwyntaglaw
          Posted 18/10/2011 at 2:26 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Good point. Quite likely in the next update there will be more interesting news for Victoria and WA, since the Transfield/Syntheo deals were next cab off the rank.

      • Posted 18/10/2011 at 12:56 pm | Permalink | Reply

        No Randwick :(

    5. Posted 18/10/2011 at 1:18 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Obviously I need to butter up NBN Co executives more. *waves fist in anger*

      ;)

    6. Backslider
      Posted 18/10/2011 at 1:43 pm | Permalink | Reply

      485,100 homes?? Lets not foget that the target for June next year was 1.7 million… ahh yes, how easily we forget such minor details.

      • Gwyntaglaw
        Posted 18/10/2011 at 1:55 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Backie, your numbers are all over the shop.

        Corp Plan, p. 15: Total premises passed by June _2013_ is 1,717,000 (a figure which includes satellite + wireless broadband).

        The total FTTP premises to be passed by June 2012 is actually 317,000 (brownfields + greenfields combined).

        But the figure of 485,100 is unrelated to this – it is the total either built or where construction is to _commence_ by October 2012, and does not include greenfields.

        So really, you’re comparing apples with oranges, or apples and light aircraft.

        • Backslider
          Posted 18/10/2011 at 1:59 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Ahh yes, right you are, but then, what’s a year or two over ten years, right?…. thats such a long time huh? Plenty of time to get it all done…..

          Since you are clearly good with numbers, perhaps you would like to calculate the hourly connection rate required to reach the ten year target of 13 million premises connected… given a 36 hour week and all.

          • Gwyntaglaw
            Posted 18/10/2011 at 2:06 pm | Permalink | Reply

            Ummm, a “year or two over ten years” is actually variation of 10-20% on the face of it – more so in capacity when you realise that the ramp-up to maximum volume rollout (estimated at 6000 premises passed per day) will not reach peak levels until 2013.

            • Backslider
              Posted 18/10/2011 at 3:33 pm | Permalink | Reply

              Quite, however by 2013 the figure of 6000 premises per day will not be enough to reach the target and must be maintained till the end of the project, not some imaginary “peak levels”. Were they to crank up from June 2012, the required rate is closer to 6500 premises per day right through till August 2020.

              • Pepe
                Posted 19/10/2011 at 9:14 am | Permalink | Reply

                crystal ball gazing about the next election (showing true colours…rofl) and fast porn is all some have left…

            • Pepe
              Posted 18/10/2011 at 4:15 pm | Permalink | Reply

              there’s always one dooms-dayer eh gwyn, no matter what…rofl.

              • Gwyntaglaw
                Posted 18/10/2011 at 5:59 pm | Permalink | Reply

                Well, you have to give him points for persistence. :)

              • Backslider
                Posted 19/10/2011 at 12:23 am | Permalink | Reply

                Oh right, so you two cannot digest simple figures and must resort to name calling?

                If you want “doomsdayer” how about this: Labor will be rolled in the next election and the pork barelling will stop right there…. guess you will all need to move into one of the areas that managed to get the NBN so you can have the fast porn you are drooling over.

              • Sonicmerlin
                Posted 20/10/2011 at 3:12 am | Permalink | Reply

                @Backslider: You’d rather pay Telstra $4 billion a year for a decaying copper network to hand their executives and shareholders multimillion dollar bonuses, instead of all your money going back into the network buildout?

              • alain
                Posted 20/10/2011 at 11:50 am | Permalink | Reply

                You mean the money that goes back into the network at some time in the future when they have paid off all the horrendous cost, and assuming they actually get the promised 7% rate of return and revenue is greater than on going costs.

                Which decade post 2020 (assuming it’s still going) do you have in mind here?

              • Pepe
                Posted 20/10/2011 at 12:38 pm | Permalink | Reply

                @alain… the following decade (2034) is the goal.

                you did read the complete business case/corporate plan and not just honed in on cvc issue (now remedied anyway) which suited one’s agenda?

      • youbeauty25
        Posted 19/10/2011 at 1:19 pm | Permalink | Reply

        How Easily you forget that the coalition sold off the mighty T1,T2,T3 and that negotiations have been difficult??

    7. ins0mniac
      Posted 18/10/2011 at 1:44 pm | Permalink | Reply

      arrgghh. it feels like they’re deliberatley hooking up every suburb in Hobart except mine, just to taunt me! :( At least I have a decent ADSL2 connection while I wait, but 1mbps upload sucks and I cant wait to be free of copper forever!

      • Gwyntaglaw
        Posted 18/10/2011 at 1:58 pm | Permalink | Reply

        You in Sandy Bay, ins0mniac? I lived there once, and so far it has been notable by its absence from the list of suburbs covered. Which does seem odd, I must admit…

        • Posted 18/10/2011 at 3:03 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Yep I’m in Sandy Bay. Given its the most affluent suburb in Hobart it should be given priority! ;-) With people’s giant houses and incomes in this area I think its going to be very popular.

          Looks like I used the wrong account to comment before. So my true identity has been revealed :)

        • Chuq
          Posted 18/10/2011 at 5:27 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Sandy Bay is notable in this regard? There are a lot of suburbs not included in the stage 3 list. Moonah/Lenah Valley/New Town, Claremont/Austins Ferry, Bridgewater/Gagebrook, Old Beach/Otago, Tranmere, Taroona, Blackmans Bay …

          I suspect the 21k premises in South Hobart actually only refers to a small part of the stage 3 list – the areas contiguous with South Hobart – that is, Hobart (CBD), West Hobart, Glebe, Mt Stuart and North Hobart.

          • Coops
            Posted 18/10/2011 at 8:14 pm | Permalink | Reply

            21000 premises in South Hobart…reallly…..how can they get this so wrong. They need to be a little more specific and professional if it actually covers other suburbs as you say

            • Anonymous
              Posted 18/10/2011 at 11:04 pm | Permalink | Reply

              I think it’s fairly obvious that the geographic indicator of “South Hobart” is not limited to the narrow boundaries of the suburb, but indicates the general surrounding area. Certainly, the numbers for Sawtell are bigger than that particular town.

    8. Posted 18/10/2011 at 2:28 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Interesting that the Central Coast has 2 spots, Gosford and Long Jetty, both of which are the main exchanges on the coast and I’m pretty confident the only exchanges that contain non-Telstra DSLAMs right now.

      Is this pure co-incidence, or is NBN Co starting to cherry pick it’s rollout areas?

      • Posted 18/10/2011 at 2:33 pm | Permalink | Reply

        A lot of the progression will relate to the build of their transit networks. You’re not going to be able to go into some areas at all until key points of those networks exist. Those areas sound like they’ve been identified as key points in the infrastructure for more outlying areas to connect into.

      • Duideka
        Posted 18/10/2011 at 7:48 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Alot of these locations include smaller nearby suburbs too, Long Jetty for example includes Berkeley Vale.

        • Posted 19/10/2011 at 12:09 pm | Permalink | Reply

          ahh, ok, I was going off the above lists

          If it includes all of Berkeley Vale then [/insert happy dance here] that’s ok

    9. Jay
      Posted 18/10/2011 at 5:14 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Looks like regional Australia is getting truly shafted yet again.

      • Gwyntaglaw
        Posted 18/10/2011 at 5:38 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Yes, except for those who live in Armidale, Coffs Harbour, Dapto, Jamberoo, Kiama, Sawtell, Wollongong, Toowomba, Townsville, Aldinga Beach, Port Augusta, Port Elliot, Seaford, Strathalbyn, Yankalilla, Willunga, Deloraine, George Town, Scottsdale, Smithton, Somerset, St Helens, Tribunna, Ballarat, Geraldton, Mandurah and Pinjarra.

        • Anonymous
          Posted 18/10/2011 at 8:57 pm | Permalink | Reply

          Most of those places that are in SA are hardly out of Adelaide and I’d only consider Pt Augusta really regional.

          • Pepe
            Posted 18/10/2011 at 9:09 pm | Permalink | Reply

            looks as though the only thing left to argue about are maps, boundaries and interpretations of regional, as the nbn keeps ticking all the boxes!

          • Chuq
            Posted 18/10/2011 at 9:16 pm | Permalink | Reply

            Have you looked at a map of SA? 90% of the state population *IS* Adelaide!

            • Anonymous
              Posted 18/10/2011 at 9:57 pm | Permalink | Reply

              Yeah all of the towns is SA are pathetically small I’ll acknowledge that. But to me a outside in roll out for SA should have been from the Mt Gambier region, Riverland and Iron Triangle back towards Adelaide, not from just outside of Adelaide back in (I’m only guessing but it looks like it might pan out that way). Doing Pt Augusta was the only one they got right.

              • Avid Gamer
                Posted 19/10/2011 at 12:20 am | Permalink | Reply

                Doing Pt Augusta was the only one they got right. And me living in Whyalla which is the next regional centre down the Eyre Peninsula, there is hope maybe.

      • Posted 18/10/2011 at 9:20 pm | Permalink | Reply

        I agree. Unless NBNco can cover all +12 million premises in a month from tomorrow we should all get our pitchforks ready. That is what they promised after all (apparently)

        • Posted 19/10/2011 at 1:08 am | Permalink | Reply

          A whole f###ing month Hubert?! Two weeks should be more than enough to install fibre to every home in Australia. 3 weeks tops.

          They should have gone with dial-up as the preferred technology. Then we would all have the #NDuN by now :)

          • noah
            Posted 19/10/2011 at 8:22 am | Permalink | Reply

            You’re just stealing coalition policy now.

    10. nonny-moose
      Posted 18/10/2011 at 7:35 pm | Permalink | Reply

      well my previous suburb is getting service! Nudgee, not bad. its an interesting area to pick for geographic/demographic and blackspot reasons. it will be interesting which ways the rollout runs from there, theres a cluster of rims up at Boondall and some more as you head west over Aspley, where the rollouts can meet up. i dont know what southside areas are tagged asides from new estates like Springfield lakes etc … but if the rollout does spread out from Aspley and Nudgee it will be a fair chunk covered up there likely before the south gets a look in :(

      just wish this had all happened while i was up there. lmao ahh well i’ll see what can be done to land me in a future service area hehehe

    11. Telstra suck
      Posted 18/10/2011 at 7:39 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Gwyn that sounds like a verse from I’ve Been Everywhere! HAHA

      • Pepe
        Posted 18/10/2011 at 8:05 pm | Permalink | Reply

        LOL… +1

      • Gwyntaglaw
        Posted 18/10/2011 at 11:07 pm | Permalink | Reply

        Available now on iTunes, with Senator Conroy accompanying on lagerphone.

    12. Go_NBN_Go
      Posted 18/10/2011 at 11:22 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Lets hope the NBN can get as much as possible locked in contractually so that it gets to a point of too expensive to stop. So that liberal village idiot Tony Abbott cant stop the NBN. Really an apposition leader (potential leader of this country) that can’t see the massive benefits of this project ….. definitely displays his ignorance and understanding of technology.

      • Backslider
        Posted 19/10/2011 at 12:29 am | Permalink | Reply

        I don’t believe its the principle of having a national network, but rather this idiotic plan to connect almost every single home in Australia to fibre – a monopoly network controlled by a socialist government who in principle believe in control of communications – please don’t forget the filtering.

        Why should others not object to Australia becoming an annexe to China?

        • Posted 19/10/2011 at 12:57 am | Permalink | Reply

          Right..And I guess we’ll all be speaking Mandarin by the end of the decade too? And of course 99% of the net will blocked by evil dictator Julia and her communist social regime, filtering every bit of content (with the help of Kevin’s Chinese buddies) to ensure we only receive pictures of kittens and pro-Government propaganda?

          Do you listen to Alan Jones or watch The Bolt Report by any chance? Comparing Australia’s communication policies to China’s hard-line communist Government, and it’s incredibly strict filtering, is the kind of irrelevant misguided bullshit Bolt and Jones both like to say. You’ve got a strong future ahead of you as a reporter at The Australian with that kind of critical thinking!

          • Backslider
            Posted 19/10/2011 at 5:16 am | Permalink | Reply

            And you have a strong future ahead of you as a child of the Nanny State.

            Clearly you know nothing of the inner workings or ideology of the Labor Party and are happy with their public facade.

            If China is so bad, then why does Australia have such an intimate relationship with that country? Why are they now happily buying up as much of Australia as they can lay their hands on?

            Please wake up!…. oh thats right, you are a left wing atheist, so are clearly already brain dead.

            • Dean Harding
              Posted 19/10/2011 at 7:39 am | Permalink | Reply

              You’ll be right as long as you keep that tinfoil hat securely in place.

            • Avid Gamer
              Posted 19/10/2011 at 3:31 pm | Permalink | Reply

              WOwwwwww!, I’d better look under my bed every night when I go to sleep from now on. There might be some red commies lurking there ready to pounce on us as soon as we close those eye lids.

            • Anonymous
              Posted 19/10/2011 at 4:06 pm | Permalink | Reply

              Such solid reasoning. You’re a true academic Mr Backslider. So the majority of the world’s leading physicists are braindead? Quick! Call Richard Dawkins, Brian Cox and Stephen Hawking! They may not realise they are actually dumber than you!

              Oh and I tried waking up as a brainwashed conservative Christian, who thought the world was only 6000 years old, but the Lord appeared to me on a piece of toast, and said he didn’t even exist and to use my own mind! So I’m back to being a braindead atheist that questions his surroundings, loves science, and doesn’t get spoonfed his ‘knowledge’ every Sunday from corrupt religious institutions with their 2000 year old handbook of fairy tales.

              • Posted 19/10/2011 at 4:13 pm | Permalink | Reply

                lol

              • Backslider
                Posted 21/10/2011 at 2:39 am | Permalink | Reply

                Perhaps if you were just a little intelligent you would accept the fact that there are some things you simply cannot *know*. Really, to declare oneself as an atheist is the ulimate in ignorance, stuff for schoolkids to spruik.

                I expect that your approach to science is exactly the same. You think that you know things, not knowing how to separate theory from fact….. like all typical pseudo intellectuals.

                BTW, I am agnostic :-)

              • Anonymous
                Posted 21/10/2011 at 12:47 pm | Permalink | Reply

                @Backslider You’re a funny one. If only you understood the irony of your comments.

                The old “atheism is ignorance” line eh? Can’t tell you how many times we get hit with that highly arrogant self-assured comment. Richard Dawkins dedicated a good half an hour talking about that subject at the last Atheist convention I attended. Yes, that’s right I attend the conventions, so its a topic I’m quite educated and passionate about.

                Maybe you should read Richard Dawkin’s book The God Delusion. That’s honestly what converted me from agnosticism to atheism. One of the most enlightening and clever books on the planet.

                And if you truly believe that you know better than people like Stephen Hawking, Arthur C Clarke and all these brilliant atheists that have changed the world, don’t you think it might be you that is the arrogant and ignorant one?

                If you truly beleive atheism is arrogance, you might try reading this article to understand why that is complete rubbish.

                Atheism is simply a rejection of the supernatural, any notion of a “Creator” and all known theology. There’s nothing wrong with being agnostic, but to suggest that’s a more clever or educated position than atheism is profoundly ignorant and absurd. Tell me: As a fence-sitting agnostic, are you leaving room for the possibility that after we die we might live in a land ruled by talking pink elephants that ride around on magic carpets? Because that’s about as logical as the assertion that there is an after-life as described by all religions, given how much we now understand about the brain. Our brain *is* us, and once its gone, we go with it. That’s not an arrogant position. That’s what we call science and Occam’s Razor. Might want to Google that one if you’re not familiar with it.

                Everyone is an Atheist of some Gods. i.e. I would bet no one here believes in Zeus for example? Well being a true Atheist is jut going one God further and understanding that’s its entirely scientifically plausible that the universe came into being without the aid of a supernatural master. In fact the very idea is pretty silly when you think about it. If there is a God, who created him? Oh that’s right: “The Lord works in mysterious ways”. (that’s all Christians can generally come up with – I’m not directing that at you)

                The way you describe science, and my understanding of it, is not only insulting, but it’s utter bullshit. If anything it shows your complete lack of understanding of the scientific method, critical thinking, and how scientific theories are arrived at. The very essence of science is to test a hypothesis and eliminate possibilities by being wrong all the time. Good scientists are impartial and objective and don’t care whether they are right or wrong, they simply care that they’ve followed the scientific method, and had their work peer reviewed to back up any new findings. Scientists are wrong all the time and they are the first to admit it! That’s because science is simply the best understanding we have of the universe at any given time. Science is exciting becuase its ever-changing and adapting, unlike religion which relies on static ancicent dogma that pre-dates any logical scientific methods, and continously tired to adapt itself when more and more of it’s ancient text is proven to be factually incorrect.

                I dont know everything (far from it!) and I’ve never pretended or implied that I have. I also know that we’re only at the very beggining of understanding the inner workings of the universe, but I strongly beleive that over time science will unravel many more mysteries, giving us a much greater understanding of the Universe, and our place in it.

                I also don’t display any arrogance with my Atheism or force it onto others unless pushed by people like you. In fact I usually have respect for Agnostics and they usually respect me. We are after all the only two groups of people on Earth that aren’t delusional! :) The ultimate irony is that it is you that is arrogant to suggest that being an Atheist is just straight “ignorance”, becuase what you’re saying is “I know better than any atheist out there”. And sorry mate, but I don’t think you or I are the next Stephen Hawkings of the world. Why would he be an atheist without sound scientific reasoning for being so? It’s becuase he’s one of the amazing physicists that has illustrated to us that’s its entirely possible for the universe to come into existance without the aid of any supernatural being or powers.

                So if you want, remain agnostic and leave room in your head for the unknown. As an atheist I certainly do that too you know. Just not when it coimes to “God’. Its not a dogmatic beleif at all and all Atheists I know are some of the most clever, open-minded and interesting people I’ve ever met, that are continously questioning their life and surroundings.

                Just don’t be arrogant enough to suggest agnosticism is somehow a more educated or sensible position, becuase evidence is not on your side with that one. 10 minutes on Google could teach you that.

            • Sonicmerlin
              Posted 20/10/2011 at 3:17 am | Permalink | Reply

              Man I feel bad for you. Always so scared, always so paranoid. Trying so desperately to believe you’re one of “the few” who know what’s really going on, and must save the country or some other silliness.

              Can’t you just enjoy the benefits of living in an affluent, modern society?

              • alain
                Posted 20/10/2011 at 10:40 am | Permalink | Reply

                “Man I feel bad for you. Always so scared, always so paranoid.”

                That coming from you where you said Telstra was taking its profits and starting up new monopolies overseas is priceless.

        • Pepe
          Posted 19/10/2011 at 9:18 am | Permalink | Reply

          filtering is apolitical, imo.

          although the current opposition supposedly oppose filtering, throughout the world conservative governments are or have implemented filters too.

          so as one who is claiming some moral high ground here, don’t be so gullible as to believe the others won’t implement filtering too. although at this point i must commend the coalitions stance, if it is in fact, ‘fair dinkum’.

        • Pepe
          Posted 21/10/2011 at 11:49 pm | Permalink | Reply

          just to revisit this thread again…

          look here backslider…21/10

          http://www.itnews.com.au/News/277516,europe-changes-tune-on-broadband.aspx

          seems europe wants to be annexed to china too.

          and after all these “dooms dayers” telling us australia shouldn’t do the nbn like we are because no one else is… it would appear we just may have lead the way!

    13. Posted 19/10/2011 at 9:12 pm | Permalink | Reply

      Good to see Melbourne CBD is getting their NBN Connection – no doubt a Labor gift to their lower house Green mate.

      How on earth can you roll this foolish thing out and not hit Sydney, North Sydney and Lower North Shore or Brisbane and Southbank? Commercially there are more customers in those areas than there are in rural Australia in total.

      I think the whole NBN is a joke, political pork barrel at its height, but could someone at least PRETEND to have some commercial sense?

      • Pepe
        Posted 19/10/2011 at 11:04 pm | Permalink | Reply

        it’s not about commercial sense only, it’s about an upgrade in comms for all australians not just the profitable city dwellers (incidentally i am one of the profitable ones).

        nbnco are thus endeavouring the juggling act of keeping those without happy by supplying to them (especially the ignored and unprofitable regional and rural), but also trying to keep the fiscally anal happy too!

        but strangely speaking of political motivation and jokes, i have found overwhelmingly (almost completely) that those against the nbn are simply against it due to their political allegiances.

        so…

        • alain
          Posted 20/10/2011 at 10:45 am | Permalink | Reply

          “but strangely speaking of political motivation and jokes, i have found overwhelmingly (almost completely) that those against the nbn are simply against it due to their political allegiances.”

          You know this from anonymous tags in forums like this how?

          That’s right you would have no idea, ‘I have found overwhelming … …..’ lol

          • Pepe
            Posted 20/10/2011 at 12:43 pm | Permalink | Reply

            just use a little nous alain…

            gee in a comms forum, when people refer to labor socialists/communists, mismanagement, speak of bring on 2013/election and show incessant support of whatever turnbull says (much like you yourself do) it’s quite the giveaway.

            keep up the (obvious) great work… so LOL, indeed.

            • alain
              Posted 20/10/2011 at 1:11 pm | Permalink | Reply

              So you have absolutely no idea, nothing of substance there (as usual), all those against the NBN refer to it as labor socialist/ communists mismanagement do they, of course not you just made it up.

              But of course anyone that supports the NBN it is not because of ‘political reasons’ why – because you say so and you have a ‘gut feel’ for these things?

              Total rubbish.

              • Pepe
                Posted 20/10/2011 at 4:59 pm | Permalink | Reply

                speaking of TOTAL rubbish, where did i say all pro-nbners aren’t political? my you make up silly stories.

                i am not concerned about others reasons for supporting, but i know mine, which is nbn support, sans agenda – apart from wanting what is best for my family, YOUR family and every aussie family (what a terrible guy eh)?

                so read what i said, “what ‘I’ have found” to be the overwhelming political bias of the anti-nbers..this is what i have found and no matter how much you protest it will not change my opinion.

                in fact, you have simply solidified it…LOL

                so speaking of which, and right on cue (thanks for playing your unwitting part as usual…)

                the above is what you said at 1:30 and here is what you said (exactly as i mentioned) at 4:30 in another thread

                “which is why Labor will be rolled in 2013…”

                http://delimiter.com.au/2011/10/20/blatant-hypocrisy-victoria-demands-nbn-fair-share/#disqus_thread

                thank you…rofl

        • Backslider
          Posted 21/10/2011 at 3:40 am | Permalink | Reply

          @Pepe – This is nonsense. I could just as easily say that those in favor of the current NBN plan are all pro Labor. The truth however is that more often than not they are people who themselves have their lives so inextricably tied to the internet that they think what is good for themselves is needed for everybody. The takeup rates show that this just is not so.

          I have no political allegiances, I don’t even vote!

          That politics get mentioned is because politics are so inextricably tied to the whole thing that were we to ignore the political issues, we would just be DF’s.

          Thus far I have been accused of being a radical Christian and supporter of Bolt, Alan Jones and Malcolm Turnbull. I read the rants of none of these people and am agnostic. These kind of accusations are the child of people who don’t have real answers and follow what they see as popular thought rather than intelligently thinking for themselves.

          I have found that most people who oppose the current NBN plan are IN FACT fully supportive of a national broadband network – just not this one as it is.

          • Pepe
            Posted 21/10/2011 at 2:02 pm | Permalink | Reply

            LOL…

            no you can’t suggest pro nbners are all labor at all, because some support the greens, independents, nationals (who weren’t anti-nbn iirc) labor and some shock/horror even traditionally support the coalition (MW for example has mentioned himself being in this boat many times).

            regardless, here’s what you said -

            “And you have a strong future ahead of you as a child of the Nanny State.

            Clearly you know nothing of the inner workings or ideology of the Labor Party and are happy with their public facade.

            If China is so bad, then why does Australia have such an intimate relationship with that country? Why are they now happily buying up as much of Australia as they can lay their hands on?

            Please wake up!…. oh thats right, you are a left wing atheist, so are clearly already brain dead”. {END}

            and after blurting out that 1950′s mccarthy-ist rubbish, you have the audacity to claim no political allegiances or biases? rofl…

            as for your above last sentence, yes i have found that too. because they as i said, only support the coalition and as a consequence fully support the coalitions network plans only, regardless of whatever they may be.

            thanks for proving my point.

      • Sonicmerlin
        Posted 20/10/2011 at 3:19 am | Permalink | Reply

        Perhaps you should be annoyed with the Coalition, who tried their hardest to stop the NBN and forced Labor to agree to the Independents’ demands of a roll in from the outside.

        • alain
          Posted 20/10/2011 at 10:47 am | Permalink | Reply

          What’s a ‘roll in from the outside’ mean as distinct from what was planned before the Independents demands (whatever that means)?

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