news Communications Minister Mitch Fifield has again invited Australians to comment on whether they would prefer the Coalition or Labor versions of the National Broadband Network, defending the Coalition’s Multi-Technology Mix from criticism by Labor and conservative commentator Andrew Bolt.
In Senate Question Time late last week, Fifield was asked a number of questions about the NBN project by Labor Senator Jenny McAllister, the chair of the Senate Select Committee into the National Broadband Network.
McAllister firstly asked how anyone could have confidence in the Government’s financial costing numbers with respect to the Multi-Technology Mix version of the NBN, when they have changed a number of times over the past two and a half years.
In response, Fifield said the NBN company was “learning from experience” and was becoming much more precise in terms of its costings.
“That is an important point, because our predecessors had no fix, they had no handle, on the costs of the scheme,” said Fifield, referring to the previous Labor Government. “This government has had to put in train with the board and management of nbn co processes to determine, to get a realistic handle on, what the true expenses of the NBN are because the NBN was left in such bad order by those opposite.”
Fifield alleged that the “sum total” of preparation work for the NBN policy was a “coaster” written by former Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, with some of his “hieroglyphics”. The Minister added: “I return to something that I posed the other day to this chamber: in what plan would you have more confidence? Would it be one developed by Senator Conroy or one developed by Mr Turnbull?”
McAllister further asked Fifield if he could guarantee the Government’s rollout plan for the NBN — which calls for the MTM rollout to be finished by 2020 — would be achieved, noting that NBN chairman Ziggy Switkowski has described the company’s rollout plan as “heroic”.
In addition, McAllister asked Fifield whether he agreed with comments published by conservative commentator Andrew Bolt, who had severely criticised the performance of former-Communications Minister, current Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, in deploying the network.
Bolt wrote in late October this year that Turnbull had “fumbled” the catch on the NBN and let the project blow out to twice the cost and four years behind the delivery that Turnbull promised. In response, Fifield said:
“When Dr Switkowski, the chair of nbn co, was referring to ‘heroic’, I think he was referring to the incredible efforts of the staff of nbn co, who are giving their all to this project … But I do not deny for a second that this is not an ambitious project. It is a very ambitious project with a very good board and very good management who have oversight.”
“It is an ambitious project but it is a realistic project. What we know for sure is that the multi-technology mix approach being pursued by nbn co will see the NBN rolled out much faster than it would have been by those opposite and at much lower cost to taxpayers, and I think that is great news.”
In response to the question regarding Andrew Bolt’s comments, Fifield said:
“The 2016 corporate plan represents the most robust corporate plan developed by nbn, and it provides an accurate reflection of the business. We are confident that the network can be completed by 2020.”
“In fact, for the past two years, the company has successfully met its rollout targets. That is the first time that has happened. We have confidence in the board of nbn. We have confidence in the management of the nbn. We want to see them get on with the job of delivering fast broadband sooner and at less cost.”
Fifield’s parliamentary performance was seized upon by Shadow Communications Minister Jason Clare — who sits in the House of Representatives (not the Senate).
In a statement following Fifield’s comments in the Senate, Clare said the Communications MInister had refused to rule out further delays in the rollout of “Malcolm Turnbull’s second-rate NBN”.
“The Turnbull Government has form here,” said Clare. “In April 2013, the now Prime Minister promised his second rate NBN would cost $29.5 billion and said his plan was “very conservative”.”
“In December 2013, the now Prime Minister said his second rate NBN would cost $41 billion and the assumptions were “conservative and achievable”. In August this year, the now Prime Minister admitted his second rate NBN would cost up to $56 billion and said “all of us can have real confidence in the numbers”.”
“The Communications Minister is still learning his job but it is clear that he doesn’t have much confidence in the numbers associated with the second rate NBN.”
opinion/analysis
So who came out ahead in this exchange between McAllister (with a bit of help from Senator Conroy and Jason Clare, no doubt) and Fifield?
Personally, I think this one was quite balanced — with both sides attacking and defending well.
Labor made some very valid points … the cost of the NBN under the Coalition has changed constantly over the past few years, to the point where the Coalition’s stewardship is even facing criticism from some conservative commentators such as Andrew Bolt.
However, I wouldn’t say that Labor was able to get Fifield off-balance in this exchange. The unflappable Fifield is clearly well-versed in the details of the NBN’s history and able to verbally defend the Government’s legacy on the issue. If Labor truly wishes to rattle Fifield, it will doubtless need some heavier ammunition than it showed in this exchange.
Video credit: Parliamentary Broadcasting
Deaf as well as dumb.
Let me just say this.
From a political point of view I will have confidence in their plan when it delivers 25mbps to “every household and business” in Australia for $29 billion in 2016 as promised before the 2013 election.
From a technical perspective I will NEVER have confidence in their fraudband plan. It’s impossible to have confidence in something that is going full speed backwards and hitting everything in it’s path leaving a trail of destruction. You just don’t roll out out something of this scale when you know for certain it will be insufficient. It lacks logic and that’s not something any logical person can have confidence in.
That’s because it was a plan designed by politicians, not a panel made up from experts in different fields like the original NBN was.
People that call the original NBN “Labors NBN” are wrong, it was the expert panel that came up with the plan, all the pollies since have mismanaged it to the point of turning it into a farce.
Someone please shout at him “We told you! We have been telling you for years! Just listen for once in your life. A full f’ing FTTH rollout!”
inb4 “93% isnt full” or something…
Yes, because if I generalise with something I shout at him and don’t include a pile of exact percentages it completely invalidates the fact that the Australian public have been overwhelmingly supporting a FTTH rollout for years now.
I was just preempting the Libtrolls reply to you ;-)
Yes, I realised that, expecting Alain/Reality/MrBaldy and time soon
Darren
Yes! I wrote him last week (his office) and told him that. Told his leader that a couple of times as well.
Maybe they do not hear so well.
“Fifield alleged that the “sum total” of preparation work for the NBN policy was a “coaster” written by former Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, ”
This again. Although I beginning to suspect that with the current build that the ‘sum toal of preparation work for the MTM policy was a piece of toilet paper written by former communications minister Malcolm Turnbull’
Close. The sum total of the LNP costings on FTTN were worked out as one quarter the cost of FTTP. Literally. It is there in black and white in the supporting documents to their plan released in April 2013. The plan Turnbull assured us was ‘fully costed’ and ready to go. They did no further analysis than that, just pulled a ballpark average out of some PR publications by international incumbents trying to make their FTTN choice seem rational. Job done!
The only reason Fifield is unflappable is because he comprehensively denies reality and facts, foisting into the argument fiction, misinformation and, frankly, lies. The ‘coaster’ argument has been comprehensively refuted – it is beyond deceptive that the LNP continue with that line as if it has even the most remote resemblance to rational thought. What is the point in discussion with an entire opposite cabinet so comprehensively committed to ignoring any idea, sound, thought or word that doesn’t wholeheartedly agree with their preexisting disposition? It is utter madness that they continue these attempts at public deception, denying comprehensively documented facts, attacking Labor for things that simply didn’t happen and all the while calling the Opposition unreasonable and irresponsible.
But the real kicker is that they are not being called on this – the only way to defend against a misinformation and information control campaign by a sitting government is through an honest dissemination of the truth by the media, by an objective analysis of ‘official’ statements, deconstruction of the misinformation and countering with clear examples of the facts. I understand that it must be tiring writing rebuttals day in and day out, but every time the LNP manage to say things like the NBN was planned and costed with scribbles on a napkin without being hauled over the coals for it, they have another win. They shouldn’t be getting a free pass with this stuff – ever person who reads those words should be educated on their false and fraudulent nature, not by having to find out about it reading the opinions of commenters (who many will simply choose to ignore, assuming they bother reading comments in the first place).
I wonder if there’s any chance of the Minister giving us an “official” channel to indicate which policy we have more confidence in ?
Maybe someone should start a petition on change.org and present it to both comms ministers.
Yeah seriously considering doing this later today… But with a twist – I want to run two petitions, one where people can agree with the original ALP FTTP NBN Co model, and the other with the LNP MTM plan. Be interesting to see where that goes running two alongside each other ;-)
A single petition should work I think. Which NBN Plan do you prefer – 1. ALP or 2. LNP. It’s a fairly shallow question I know and gives absolutely no context but he just asked which one we would prefer :)
Well it would if we had the detail of what the ‘new’ Labor NBN Policy is, we know what the old policy was and we know it can never be that again, Clare has said so.
We know what the Coalition NBN policy is so the only question that can be asked at this point in time is do you like the Coalition NBN policy, yes/no.
Except that’s not the question being asked now is it. They are asking about the previous Labor Plan versus the current Liberal Plan, why else would they be asking about Senator Conroy as Communications Minister? Since he isn’t Shadow Comms minister now.
I say this because he specifically asks about which plan people have confidence in, a plan developed by Conroy or a plan developed by Turnbull. The ONLY plan developed by Conroy I know of, is the 93% FTTP plan previously being implemented.
Unless you have a secret other plan by Conroy nobody knows about?
Reality
What is the Coalition Policy
is it the $29B fully costed min 25mbps to all by 2016?
is it the $41B have 45% connect by 2016?
Or now an up to $56B only have 25% connected by 2016?
@Jason,
Maybe we get to pick which Coalition Policy we would prefer?
I know I’d prefer the first one, when can we get that one? ;-)
https://twitter.com/LordSoth123/status/666474535760195585
A twitter poll to help our dear friend out
R0ninX3ph,
“Except that’s not the question being asked now is it. They are asking about the previous Labor Plan versus the current Liberal Plan”
Yes I know what the question is, but what is the point asking about the OLD Labor NBN plan because that died a natural in 2013, it cannot be resurrected even if you get 100% support of the (old) Labor plan from a petition, so what?
“, why else would they be asking about Senator Conroy as Communications Minister? Since he isn’t Shadow Comms minister now.”
I don’t know why Conroy is mentioned anymore he is not the Shadow Communications Minister, even if there is change of Minister from Clare to Conroy before the 2016 election it still isn’t going to get the original Labor plan back is it?
The key question is who is the petition really targeted at, Labor or the Coalition?
@Reality, the petition is targeted at the Coalition as they are asking the question.
Whether the previous Labor plan is still on the table or not, is largely irrelevant.
The question from your LNP Gods is “Which plan do the population prefer?”
It doesn’t matter if the Labor plan can no longer be had.
I can no longer drink Coopers Pale Ale, as I live in Japan, but it doesn’t mean I can’t say I prefer it to other beer.
I don’t see the point of time warping back to 2013, it’s like as if there is some sort of manic mass denial that the election actually happened and the Labor NBN policy was booted into oblivion.
So what happens if the Coalition win again in 2016 which is a strong possibility, we still have pointless petitions through to 2019 asking do you prefer the Labor NBN 2013 plan?
Reality
What will be the coalition policy after the next election it’s changes 3 times in 2 years and the cost keeps going up
The Labor NBN rollout targets changed multiple times and the funding requirements increased in the six years Labor was in power.
Welcome to the real world of Government backed national infrastructure builds.
Reality
Labor had a cost in crease from $41B to $44B with still a target 2021.
You keep talking about about coalition winning policy but with in 3 months to have a cost blow out from $29B to $41 and have gone from 2016 to 2021. How could they have a fully costed plan be so wrong.
@Reality,
I see what you’re saying re: time warping back to 2013, BUT, that is all Minister Fifields question is asking.
Don’t blame us for answering the question as asked.
I don’t think anyone here is unaware that Labor will not be able to return to their original rollout plan if they are returned to power after the next election, but that doesn’t change the question being asked by the current Comms minister.
But even if we were to then interpret it as “Do you want the LNP Plan now, or some future ALP plan that includes HFC/FTTB and the remainder as FTTP?” I would still be answering the same.
Maximising FTTP is the single most important part at this point. It has been said before, Fibre is the end game, no amount of distraction with buzzwords like “G.Fast” will change the limitations of copper.
Jason K,
“but with in 3 months to have a cost blow out from $29B to $41″
Incorrect, the $29B is the fixed Government investment cap, the original MTM peak funding estimate was $41B, the revised peak funding range is between $46B-$56B , $56B minus $41B gives you the UP TO $15B figure, where the ‘up to’ is frequently dropped by FTTP supporters to try and beat up the difference.
” and have gone from 2016 to 2021. How could they have a fully costed plan be so wrong.”
What has ‘gone from’ 2016 to 2021, you are keeping it deliberately vague and cryptic again.
@ Reality
Reality @ 7:23 this morning:-
“I don’t see the point of time warping back to 2013, it’s like as if there is some sort of manic mass denial that the election actually happened and the Labor NBN policy was booted into oblivion.
Reality @ 8:54 this morning:-
“The Labor NBN rollout targets changed multiple times and the funding requirements increased in the six years Labor was in power.”
ROFL, a record even for you alain…
I would have thought you could at least have made a few hours between more embarrassing complete contradictions.
Once again proving why you are the undisputed king of Delimiter bannings.
Reality needs a reality check
Coalition 2013 policy
https://www.liberal.org.au/fast-affordable-sooner-coalitions-plan-better-nbn
“Download speeds of between 25 and 100 megabits per second by the end of 2016 and 50 to 100 megabits per second by 2019.”
“Funding costs for the Coalition’s NBN will be approximately 66 per cent less than Labor’s NBN. That’s based on the latest analysis showing Labor’s NBN will cost more than $90 billion to complete.
Our plan will cost $29.5 billion. This will ensure the NBN is cash flow positive and can operate without assistance from government.”
This bit is a laugh “Regions with substandard internet services will receive priority rollout.”
But please keep trying to rewrite history truly shows you have eithe A. No idea what you are talking about or B. Do know but then don’t want to admit it.
Plus the original $29b had a funding cap of $20B.
A little from column A and a little from column B.
HC
Was going to ad a C. With some very choice words that would be exactly what our friend is
Here’s the (ir)rationale of the most ideologically illogical one.
* His own more precious than life itself Coalition ask us a question.
* We then simply answer the Coalition’s question, as they asked.
* Our friend then blames us (not the coalition of course) for err, “us simply answering the question” (not to his liking).
* He then blames us for trying to resurrect the OLD Labor policy.
* When reminded err, alain, YOUR Coalition asked the question. In fact the very same question they already got bitch-slapped about, so they tried again. We are simply answering (again).
* He says there’s no point in warping back/ and that we are in manic mass denial. Keeping in mind he’s the first to “warp back” at primarily every article *sigh* and in complete denial of just how fucked MTM actually is…
* Yet again he’s told FFS alain, the Coalition are asking the question.
* He again blames us. Coalition perfect as always.
Can you get any more childish and out and out argumentatively imbecilic than that?
Probably a silly question, as the day is but young…
Rizz
You forgot to add talking about coalition winning NBN policy 2013 yet not even knowing what it was
Jason K,
The facts getting a bit awkward to respond to in a factual manner again, nothing whatever was responded to from here:
https://delimiter.com.au/2015/11/16/fifield-asks-again-which-nbn-policy-do-australians-have-more-confidence-in/#li-comment-707572
I assume you agree or cannot answer so it’s time for some frantic diversion, hoist the flashing ‘DETOUR THIS WAY’ sign with a hefty dose of ranting with a lot of help from the usual band of like minded ‘Back to 2013 FTTP’ supporters still sitting on a nostalgic dream which was a fantasy.
“It’s official: Labor’s NBN project has failed”
https://delimiter.com.au/2013/10/14/official-labors-nbn-project-failed/
It really is time to move on and stop looking back over your shoulder with a telescope, 2013 is getting smaller and smaller, and by 2016 election most voters will have forgotten what that failed NBN policy actually was.
Reality
It only took 3 months for that winning policy as you have claimed of a fully costed plan of $29B to deliver 25Mbps by 2016 to fail. Then it took another 2 years for there SR of $41B to fail with a cost blowout to another $15B on top of the $12B blow out of the $29B policy. But then when facts are presented to you you just ignore them.
There was already a petition done and many messages sent to his Turnballs facebook page and email, and every time he either ignored it or came out with the brilliant line of ‘The australian people voted us in because they wanted out internet policy too’ or some rubbish. Nothing will get them to change it. Even when most of the tech industry was writing article after article for him to reconsider, he still ignored. Nothing will change.
https://www.change.org/p/the-liberal-party-of-australia-reconsider-your-plan-for-a-fttn-nbn-in-favour-of-a-superior-ftth-nbn
You realise he’ll just keep on asking until he gets the answer he wants.
Lol happy to hit a target they revised 3 times in six months quite amusing.
Copper. 1820’s.
Fibre. Early 1970’s.
Let’s look at the historical moments of the 1820’s: John Quincy Adams and the Monroe Doctrine of 1823, Marquis Lafayette, the famous French Revolution general, visits the US in 1824, and Andrew Jackson becomes the US President in 1828.
Now to the 1970’s: ABBA, Paris Peace Accords of 1973, Australia enters the World Cup for the first time in 1974, and the first fibre optic roll outs occurred with phone and proto-internet in the US.
The 1820’s won’t take a chance on me. It’s FTTP and the Conroy/Quigley policy all the way. At least it still has a video on youtube [Peter ferris in 2011] of what it aimed to do. All I get now is propaganda from the Fraudband.
Seriously, talk about LNP reality distortion field turned up to max!
I’m so sick of this Fascist Government!!!
Last I heard this Government was democratically voted in with a overwhelming majority by the Australian electorate, the exact opposite of the fascist model.
And yet, that’s exactly how the nazi’s got into power in 1933…
alain.
Once again nobody is arguing that the Coalition government weren’t voted in (that’s your job when Labor are in power :/ ) or can’t implement their MTM policy, as they were indeed voted in…
But it doesn’t legitimise the complete and absolute stupidity of MTM… and it can never change the fact (no matter how hard you try, hope or pray) that those rolling out FttN dubbed it FRAUDBAND… can it?
Surely you can see that if a government (of any persuasion) are voted in and even (heaven forbid) keep their promises, if their policies fuck up as MTM clearly has, then we have a right to ask questions… I know as a Coalition yes man that may seem impossible to you to you to question the Coalition (although you seem adept at doing so to the others, even when not deserved)… so hello…
But perhaps it does legitimise the stupidity of Australian’s though, seeing the most far right Coalition PM voted in on the back of FUD and 3 word slogans.
Thankfully because of his dishonesty and stupidity, he was rightfully dumped and the most left Coalition PM ever installed…. LOL
Did you vote for such a lefty alain… one who partnered in a banking firm with Nick Whitlam & Neville Wran? Another who like Costello was torn between which party to join?
LOL again…
After years of putting up with horrific ADSL internet I would never put up with copper base internet ever again. I love my FTTH connection. The liberals can shove their FTTN up their bottoms.
Sam 17/11/2015 at 5:04 am
Yes, I hear you Sam.
Can’t Australians understand that all they’re getting is ADSL? And that ADSL is NOT fast internet.
How to get that message out?
To be fair, it’s not ADSL, it’s a form of VDSL, which will grant a lucky few (~10% or so) of users greater speeds than ADSL can provide. The other ~90% will of course be stuck in either the same position they are in now – or worse. $56b (and rising) well spent, no?
Hotcakes 17/11/2015 at 11:37 am.
Thanks.
To be honest I don’t know what VDSL is however, I seems to me I don’t need to because it can’t do the job anymore than adsl can; and that’s not at all. They can do 0% when it comes to providing the communications infrastructure which the 21st Century demands for Australia.
Well that’s only how it seems to me.
Why does it seem that way?
Firstly, I must have a different understanding of why we NEED this infrastructure to the decision makers in the current government, and many others scattered throughout the country.
I think that optical fibre will develop through the course of this century and beyond inways that are completely unimaginable.
I can make a wild and vague guess, for instance, that with yet to be seens advances in the internet and optical fibre technology, I think it’s possible that holographic technology will improve to the extent that holograms or something that evolves from that technology, will become a practical, useful and maybe indispensable tool of everyday life. But it will most likely require optical fiber that’s at least 10 times faster then we are using now. (Maybe more)
I think in time this type of scenario will become very common. The internet we are building is practically non-upgradable. As far as I’m concerned it is for now unusable.
If I had any interest in paying money for adsl I would be already doing it.
Now why do we NEED this infrastructure?
I can imagine the same question was asked about electricity. I think about all they had to connect up to electricity in the beginning was lightbulbs. Edison was just as much a salesman as an inventor it seems. He organised a train ride for a lot of “important” people. He chose his destination carefully as he did the arrival time. The train followed a ridge that was still at a distance from the town and followed a parallel line to the town so that the town could be clearly seen during the day. Edison had the town powered and lit with lightbulbs. They arrived after dark and Edison didn’t have to say a word because the spectacle, the likes of which, having never be seen before, could not have escaped a single person.
However, I think it’s fair to say , that there wasn’t a person in the world at that time who could have predicted the number of inventions or what kind of devices, would be available to people or businesses, hospitals, etc, in 2015.
More importantly, to “why” we need REAL internet infrastructure now, out of all these 19th and 20th Century inventions for electricity, how many of these things were invented in the garage buy people like you and I. I admit I don’t know the figures but I’m confident that if we had no garages, the world would be a much much poorer place.
This is why we need optical fibre into every home and business and place of education.
If anyone knows exactly which houses our creative geniuses will reside in over the next 200 years, then we will know which houses to run the optic fibre to and forget the rest Tony.
They seem to think that they are only putting in the NBN infrastructure so that the people can watch videos on their tele visions. They never mention the important role that people will be able to take in the economy and what a necessary and indispensable thing that a full optic fibre infrastructure is to the 21st – 22nd Century Austrailan economy.
Having no education in this field I would appreciate it if somebody could point out to me if I have any serious misconceptions amongst what I have written.
Thank you for reading this comment.
Delimiter and Renai Lemay are like a stuck record. A very boring stuck record. The world has moved on Renai, its time you did too.
No one is putting a gun against your head to read it.
I agree, it is a boring stuck record. If only the likes of Fifield would stop lying to us, there would be no reason for playing it.
And yes, the world has moved on. Maybe Australia will try to catch up some day.
*thing happens*
*thing is reported*
‘u stuck record man’
This just in : journalism is no longer needed. Thanks, Gordon!
Oh wait it’s not jurnalizm coz he’s spouting anti conservative sentiments! We need to look at more “proper” journalist outlets like say… the Daily Telegraph. Because their material is also as “fresh” right? =P
Go Gordon…
The world has moved on, says the copper relics, stuck in the 50’s…
Yet more contradictory oddities from the illogically ideological.
I and at least 272,031 other people already told LNP which we have more confidence in, and that doesn’t include all the submissions made to the senate enquiry.
So that’s roughly 1% of the total population? \= |
I’m not here to piss on your parade (much;), but you have to understand the audience you are trying to convince here.
They are ideologically motivated to stick to their partisan solution no matter what. We’ve seen it again and again from both parties. Take an issue like same sex marriage which polls @ 70+% of the electorate and still hasn’t been passed, and you expect anything to happen with 1% of the population signing a petition? These are politicians who will deny black is black and water is wet if the “other guys” say it is, facts etc have absolutely no place in the conversation… And with facts being irrelevant (sadly), the only thing you can bash them over the head with is overwhelming support such that they can see electoral writing on the wall if they don’t come to the party.
Which unfortunately you didn’t have a few years ago when it would have made a difference, and you really don’t have now due to issue fatigue where the public consciousness have kinda forgotten that the NBN is really much of an issue.
I’ve been saying this for years. If the FTTH lobby wanted to get some traction, for whatever it would have been worth, they needed to bring a heck of a lot more people to the table. Like, a few million at least… At this point, the ship has sailed. Even if the ALP get back in they aren’t going to tear it all up and start over from scratch.
By all means continue with the wailing/teeth gnashing, but I don’t think it’s going to make a difference.
Much more productive to be indifferent, then things will REALLY change!
Indeed. Rather than standing up and making a difference lets just cross our fingers and toes and hope it will all magically change….
I suggest Delimiter create a web Petition, similar to the Save the FTTP, to gauge Australian’s support for the MTM, called ‘Broadband Now’.
Where “Broadband now[ish](FTTN, HFC; $2k per household; lifespan ten years (or less), plus upgrade $2k in ten years time) is better than Broadband later… (FTTP; $4k per household, lifespan 25 years or more)”. Note: I think these times are erring on the optimistic side, but this boils down the basic argument. It’s the time value of money. Multiply by five (or more) million premises and you get a few $billion.
We know how many supported FTTP; do it once, do it right, do it with fibre. Was it 270,000 signed the petition?
Let’s compare: Do it once, Do it Fibre. vs Broadband now.
My guess. You would be lucky to get 30,000 people to sign the “Broadband now” petition. But go for it.
Except, it isn’t ~really~ Broadband now is it. We’re 2 years since the last election and what have the Liberals done with their plan? A couple of FTTN “trials” and they are starting their HFC trial.
So, really… Its “Broadband sometime, possibly soon” versus “Do it once, and likely in a very similar timeframe as the Libs”
So where were Labor at two years in after they were elected in 2007, well nowhere actually, the first NBN FTTP trials were announced in March 2010 three years in from the election, that is they were announced not started.
They used that time to set up both the company it’s self and all the enabling legislation. In that regard, Labor were light years faster than the LNP who only had to “tweak” things…
Exactly this… To claim that the ALP setting up NBN Co and the LNP walking into an already setup GBE as being the same situation, is largely ridiculous.
NBN Co under the ALP also had to start building the backhaul network, the LNP got to walk into situation where all the groundwork had already been done. How “Reality” can say that, with a straight face, they are the same situation is beyond me…
Reality
Labor was doing a tender for FTTP due to the GFC and Telstra mock tender an expert panel decide it was cheaper in the long run to skip and go straight to FTTP
If you remember Reality Turnbull said there where ready to toll out day one of being elected even on his website said they would have mass roll outs started may 2014 what happen there.
Jason K,
Yes I know the history, the fact remains that it was three years AFTER being elected in 2007 that the Labor NBN Co got around to planning the first FTTP trial sites.
“If you remember Reality Turnbull said there where ready to toll out day one of being elected ”
No I don’t remember that at all, what I do remember is that Turnbull announced before the election a few reviews that had to be completed before they started their rollout, so it was impossible other than keeping going outstanding Labor NBN Co FTTP/fixed wireless build contracts to start their full MTM rollout on day one.
Now tell “us” not to dwell on the past… just to complete the double somersault with triple pike and mandatory quadruple backflips…
*slowclap*
It really does’nt matter what we get it will be out dated. I’ve travelled through Asia the US and found that our so called Internet is and will remain as the slowest and most useless of any modern country today and into the future if you think that what they are doing today will create silicon cities around the country they are dreaming it will be broadband (adsl) and will remain so as somebody has described earlier.
“No, haha okay guys that was funny – you all liked Conroy’s idea.. good joke, nine out of ten. Seriously doe, which network? .. guys? .. hello? *tap tap* is this thing on? — I’m so lonely. Why don’t you love me Jenny?”
We have to get rid oft these scumbag Liberal Nazi fascists! The sooner we get rid of them the sooner you will have Fiber to home! IT IS THAT SIMPLE! NEVER VOTE LIBERAL AGAIN THEY ARE A BUNCH OF LYING SCUMBAG FASCIST NAZI’S! ESPECIALLY TURDBULL
Well, less than an additional 30% of Australia, now that HFC is locked in.
I hear ya Boz,Been waiting 5 years and my Area is still not on the roll NBN Roll out map while neighboring ST Clair suburb has FTTH for 4 years! it is a disgrace! all we get from these Liberal party scumbags is lies and excuses! Labor want to roll the Fiber to your home! THAT IS WHY we need to get rid of these LNP scumbags ASAP!!And i will bee campaigning far and wide and spreading the truth about these Liberal Nazi Party arseholes!
Here is my vote…I have NO confidence in the current government MTM Plan, they are still lying through their teeth. I have full confidence in the NBN Co Plan.
Who is going to set up a voting petition, no one because there is already a 300k petition floating around somewhere that Turnbull through in the bin supporting the NBN Co Plan.
I don’t understand how they can get away with such poor performance. They are nowhere near their election promise of 25mpbs for all households and they are years behind schedule without connecting any genuine FTTN customers.
Yet the FTTP rollout was delayed by a number of genuine reasons, i.e. telstra negotiations, pit remediation, asbestos issues etc. but it was torn apart by every media outlet including this one. They’ve got no fucking excuse yet people keep making excuses for them and just accepting this shit sandwich.
I was laughed at on this site for lamenting the fact that people with fibre to their house will end up with a much greater value in the future. I was told ‘oh, fttp on demand is an option, you should pay if you want gold plated internet’ etc. Now you can’t even get FOD let alone the promised 25mbps FTTN.
It’s like, the peformance of the liberal party FTTN rollout is so abysmal and so shocking, yet we’re getting nothing compared to the constant attacking of senator conroy we used to get (and apparently are still getting). I genuinely feel like I’m taking crazy pills and that I’m the only one that’s noticing.
You’re not the Lone Ranger.
What is FTTN?
What is the difference from FTTP to FTTN?
How come anyone took the 25mbps political promise seriously?
Thank you.
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