‘Appalling treatment’: Vic IT minister to take Ross’s cause to ABC MD

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news Victoria’s Innovation Minister has described the ABC’s treatment of its former technology editor Nick Ross as “appalling” and has expressed a desire to meet with the journalist and take his case directly to the managing director of the broadcaster.

Last week Ross made a number of public statements, including in an extensive question and answer ‘AMA’ session on Reddit, claiming that the ABC prevented him from publishing articles critical of the Coalition’s controversial National Broadband Network policy.

Ross had served as the broadcaster’s editor of its Technology & Games sub-site from 2010 before resigning his position last week. The journalist came under fire from other media outlets and political figures such as then-Shadow Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull in 2013, after he published a number of articles heavily critical of Turnbull’s rival NBN policy. He has published little on the subject since.

However, the ABC has denied it gagged Ross, telling BuzzFeed news last week that the journalist had been warned to take the role of a “reporter”, rather than an “advocate” and highlighting the ABC’s editorial policies. A spokesperson for the broadcaster added that Ross had been invited to contribute to the ABC’s business coverage, including on NBN issues, after the Technology & Games sub-site was scheduled to be shut down, but that Ross had declined.

Over the weekend, Victorian Minister for Small Business, Innovation & Trade in the state’s Labor Government Philip Dalidakis publicly expressed his support for Ross and noted that he would take the journalist’s case to the highest levels of the ABC.

“… his treatment was appalling and at odds with how our ABC should behave, and I think Federal Labor have defended [Nick Ross] before,” wrote Dalidakis in a long series of posts on Twitter. “We are all taxpayers and the ABC is not immune from questions about their ethics just because I’m a state MP.”

Dalidakis has also offered to attempt to intervene with Twitter to attempt to get the ‘blue tick’ verification symbol reinstated to Ross’s account. It appears the symbol had been lost after Ross changed his Twitter handle following his departure from the ABC.

Dalidakis said he did not doubt that there had been intervention on the issue by Sally Cray, a political staffer who had served the ABC in a public relations role during a portion of the time when Ross’s 2013 articles came to public attention. Cray was previously a staffer to Malcolm Turnbull before her stint at the ABC, and returned to work for the Member for Wentworth following the September 2013 Federal Election.

Cray is now a senior advisor to Turnbull in his new role as Prime Minister.

Dalidakis also launched an attack on the controversial Multi-Technology Mix policy which the Coalition has enacted at the NBN company, which saw Labor’s near-universal Fibre to the Premises model for the NBN significantly watered down through the application of rival Fibre to the Node and HFC cable technologies.

“From a policy point of view, [Malcolm Turnbull’s] NBN MTM is now a scrambled egg and has taken Australian innovation back 20 years,” the Minister wrote on Twitter.

“Stating the obvious and calling Turnbull out about what [Fibre to the Node] can do isn’t choosing sides. It’s reporting fact. I think you’ll find the people extolling FTTN were either making $ or Liberals.”

The Minister described those pushing the MTM version of the NBN as “Luddites”. “There is no favouring one party’s policy,” he added. “FTTP is so superior to FTTN it’s like comparing a moped to a Ferrari. It appears the ABC were deliberately under-reporting the NBN & LNP policy flaws.”

Dalidakis pointed out that under the NBN company’s initial modelling, the NBN project would have made a greater than 7 percent return on its investment for the project. “It made money. Positive Return on Investment. Seriously,” he said. “Turnbull has revised the FTTN cost up twice & lied about the FTTP cost. But Nick wasn’t allowed to report that!”

“Turnbull made up the cost. Labor said so at the time. The media didn’t report it and Nick wasn’t allowed.”

Delimiter recommends readers read the comprehensive Reddit AMA which Ross conducted last week, as well as his Twitter stream, to see the journalists’ full view on the situation and his experience at the ABC.

Image credit: Office of Philip Dalidakis

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  1. Was expecting this after reading some activity on Twitter.
    We need more prominent people speaking out. ABC staff should get board too.

  2. I think you will find that Sally Cray is now officially Turnbull’s Principal Private Secretary.
    The equivalent of Bernard Woolley in Yes Prime Minister.
    And much more than just the Senior Advisor to Turnbull role she was initially appointed to upon leaving the ABC last year.
    The Principal Private Secretary runs a cabinet minister’s private office.

  3. “Stating the obvious and calling Turnbull out about what [Fibre to the Node] can do isn’t choosing sides. It’s reporting fact. I think you’ll find the people extolling FTTN were either making $ or Liberals.”

    Nailed it!

      • Exactly, the irony here is that, AIUI, What Nick did was “investigative Journalism” and that requires making a judgment based on the available facts. This is exactly what Media Watch purport to do, they look at a given situation and make a judgement on it!

        Im old enough to remember what ABC news reporting used to be like before Howard started stacking the board with Conservatives to remove the “Left Bias” (more like truth bias, funny that the conservatives cant build arguments on facts, just lies because the facts don’t support their morally bankrupt ideology!).

        The ABC used to analyse both sides policies without fear or favour and tell us the public whether or not policy X or Y stood up against the known facts. Clearly the Conservatives hated this and it had to be stopped – they have mostly succeeded and now all the ABC do is “he said, she said journalism”!

        • Indeed. I think a lot of the older generation don’t realise this change has occurred and still give value to ABCs reporting.

    • @do This unsupported claim is touted out to dismiss anyone not agreeing with the fibre fanboy line. Happens across the board with leftoid “debates”.

      The ABC is a massive waste of money. It’s culture always supporting more govt intervention. Their goto man before the election on the NBN on all media was ZDNet’s David Braue. Guaranteed to offer up the fanboy position, his hatred of Abbott pettered his articles.

      My recent correction to ABC’s claim NBNCo bought Telstra’s HFC network for $11b rejected by the ABC complaints dept.

      Yes the initial corporate plan claimed 7% IRR, but realworld performance has destroyed those predictions. Discredited prediction continue to be used because the fanboys and their media cheerleaders are financially innumerate (see destruction of Renai’s claimed “detailed analysis” story). Not even MTM return comes close (<5%), even before the latest cost blowouts. Revenue continues to underperform.

      Any minister or public servant is hardly a taxpayer, simply returning a small portion of their largess extorted from taxpayers.

      MTM technologies are the area of the most innovation today. What is being extracted from existing copper is simply outstanding. The idea such technologies has set back innovation by 20 years exposes the extraordinary lack of data networks and available opportunities. But like innovation federally, just another excuse for the expansion of govt; a drag on the true innovators in the private sector.

      Meet with the second of two startups I'm currently advising; both IT projects will be setup in Singapore. The NBN offers little for startups; commercial product offerings barely exist. Weight of govt in all areas strangling domestic opportunities.

      • So much fail I’m not even going to bother wasting my time on it, you just enjoy your right wing fantasies Richard….

      • Richard, you would be laughed out of a high school physics class for your post. If you are so deluded that you think that copper and the MTM “are the area of most innovation today” then I have to conclude that you have no connection whatsoever with people who innovate.

      • “This unsupported claim”
        Since you appear to be completely clueless, the article in question is
        http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2013/02/21/3695094.htm

        “My recent correction to ABC’s claim NBNCo bought Telstra’s HFC network for $11b rejected by the ABC complaints dept.”
        With good cause.

        “Yes the initial corporate plan claimed 7% IRR, but realworld performance has destroyed those predictions.”
        Yes, as your own figures proved, had rollout continued at the expected rate it would have returned a 200% increase in ROI. As such, with delay troubles and despite the Liberals all but halting the rollout entirely, it still delivers returns higher than the expected rate. A monumental success, had it been allowed to continue.

        “Discredited prediction continue to be used because the fanboys and their media cheerleaders are financially innumerate”
        Only predication I’ve ever seen by those in favour of FTTP have been using the Liberals seemingly made-up numbers. In reality, performance figures are undoubtedly much rosier than the figures everyone is claiming.

        “Not even MTM return comes close”
        Of course not; it’s proven to be the MTM that’s dragging everything else down.

        “MTM technologies are the area of the most innovation today.”
        You heard it here first, folks : 70+ year old tech is innovative! Probably agile, too.

        ” a drag on the true innovators in the private sector.”
        The same private sector that left Australias telecommunications networks to rot for over 20 years?

        • @hoc talking the claim @do posted. A fantasy.

          The article linked is a classic. Riddled with so many inaccuracies and misunderstandings Ross could have been silenced for ignorance alone. I stopped reading at the 2-3 new power stations myth, although liked the same speeds claim ( FW,sat, and RSP plans clearly not a factor). Typical low cheerleading get standard, ABC charter demands higher.

          The fanboys would love the article, much of the same misinformation peppers their comments. $11b for Telstra’s HFC network not an obvious error? Conroy deal and CAN presumably now zero.

          Detail analysis numbers dissected a few weeks ago, as I posted fanboys don’t understand them. Not kind to FTTH. Then the number of realworld deployments showing fixed line would be finished today.

          • “The article linked is a classic.”
            Correct! About something. Finally. That article is the single most well researched, accurate portrayal of the two policies to date and is remarkably on point today.

            “Riddled with so many inaccuracies and misunderstandings”
            We’re talking about the article here, not your clumsy meanderings.

            “$11b for Telstra’s HFC network not an obvious error?”
            Check a news report some time.

            “Detail analysis numbers dissected a few weeks ago, as I posted fanboys don’t understand them.”
            Just because when the numbers you gave us were looked at in depth it proved positive for the FTTP model, doesn’t mean we didn’t understand them.

            If anything, you don’t appear to understand your own made up numbers. Hilarious.

          • Good old Richard and his flat earther mates in the falsely named liberal party.

            People, guys like him that are the reason we can’t have nice things!

          • If anything, you don’t appear to understand your own made up numbers. Hilarious.

            This is not the first time and certainly wont be the last either hotcakes.

      • What is being extracted from existing copper is simply outstanding.

        Easily impressed with mediocrity does not count as “outstanding”

        Meet with the second of two startups I’m currently advising; both IT projects will be setup in Singapore.

        This is the same Singapore that has fibre covering the majority and 1gbps connections right?

        The NBN offers little for startups;

        No shit. Clumsily hacked into into a patchwork mess (the mess you endorsed) by the coalition clowns no wonder they starting to look elsewhere.

        • Brisbane line boy is back. Obviously fallen for the power stations (2-3) claim as well, perhaps HC can tell us where they’re being built. How will NBNco power their nodes (50-70k according to Ross) without them;-)

          Singapore has an extensive FTTH network, but it’s of no interest to us. Business grade data connection isn’t a large expense anywhere (we pay to run our own fibre if required). NBNCo products not for this market anyway, we’re the 1.5% acknowledge in all the CPs.

          Flexible / skilled labour, education system that actually teaches skilled, govt / citizens welcoming to entrepreneurs, lower tax (company and individual), better/cheaper data centres and connections to major markets.

          Maybe Brisbane line boy can offer an example of startups affected by the switch from 93% fibre to MTM? Ubiquitous high speed internet remains, delivered in less time. However peak speeds reduced from 1gbps to 50mbps. I can’t think of a single application (but what would i know), those with the real insights like HC can draw conclusions from event that didn’t even happen. Help us:)

          • Who cares? Up to 25, up to 50, it could both be the same thing anyway.

            “Ubiquitous high speed internet remains,”
            Yup gotta love those connections 200m from the node that can’t even handle 40Mbps
            http://imgur.com/aW8xlc3

            “delivered in less time.”
            Yup gotta love how halting development for 2.5 years resulting in a 4 year policy delay somehow equates to ‘less’ time.

            “what would i know”
            Truer words never spoken.

          • @brisy boy believes everything posted on the internet originates from me or the company I worked at. So junior a position he’s unaware of information sites publishing senior company information collected from dozens of sources, without authorisation. He’s never asked for his opinion nor expected to hand out business cards; bile is worth nothing (majority it’s all they have).

            Like his Brisbane line gullibility; unable to see the innovation in latest copper technologies (generating billions, speeds unimaginable), errors in Ross’ article, or NBNCo failures. For a while I’d made his no-comment “list”, sadly it appears his stalking resumes.

            Abuse for comment on “detailed analysis” (took only a basic read to see glaring errors undetected by fanboys), commenter pointing out I was right abused, fanboy posts on author website to take down my analysis and ends with author correcting his blog and inviting me to use the number in his calculator. Fanboys unable to understand the financials.

            My post (again missing the context) never endorsed the coalition policy, actually calling for govt out. True I’ve always supported infrastructure reuse – HFC / FTTB accepted today by most but the ardent fanboy (oh HC again). Your claim has been corrected several times, yet the fanboy persist. The policy from its inception failure.

          • Richard I’m going to start calling you RR from now on.

            I hope you understand why.

            The only “fanboy” here is YOU

            The only gullible one here is YOU.

            YOU are a hypocrite. Abusing others then claiming abuse and playing the perpetual victim better than any sjw nutjob could.

            You whine, bitch and moan all day long boring everyone like a broken record. Blaming me for information on the internet that I had nothing to do with.

            I don’t give a shit where the information came from fact is it didn’t come from me. Only thing I did was use Google and I don’t need to apologise for a copy/paste action especially to a self absorbed self important jack ass who thinks he knows better than the experts because he counts traffic in supermarkets.

            I haven’t even said anything about the article by Nick Ross. What ever you are imagining I said about it is all in your head. You are free to enjoy the delusions if it makes you feel better though (I’m sure you will)

            Still waiting for that page number btw.

            In conclusion the rest of your comment is invalid so please stop stalking me by responding again.

          • Flude you’ll need to provide some links to your outrageous claims if you want anyone to believe you, given that your train of thought appears to be nearly completely random I’d be surprised if anybody outside of maybe 1 person is able to follow you at any given time.

            Of course as is more likely the case you’re just talking crap. Feel free to PROVE otherwise.

          • Hotcakes you should know it is typical RR commenting style. He comments in the vaguest way possible deliberately.

          • I know. Still I can’t help but feel that he was more capable of fielding relevant arguments earlier last year; I guess by now so much more information has come out against his views he’s needing to be more discreet about his so-called information.

          • @blb call me whatever you like.

            I was responding to your allegation I put the information up. I didn’t, you’re again wrong. When straying from just abuse, evidence is typically unkind to the fanboy position (why they’re so named).

            I didn’t fall for the Brisbane line gullibility, you did. Not only accepting what to anyone normal person would question as a preposterous position but using the (incorrect) “fact” to deduce your conclusions. A fanboy personified. Your gullibility undeniable.

            I’ve corrected dozens of false claims (articles and comments) this year alone. Sure fanboys call this whining, others (admittedly few here) would appreciate factual information. The “detailed analysis” article the best example.

            Few in this forum cops the abuse I receive (all none fibre shills), although comments directed at Renai’s Ross opinion piece instructive of their modus operandi (none called out for comment policy breach;-). Do we need links?

            My IT & business background is very long and varied. Years as an Internet specialist for one of NBNCo’s major equipment suppliers helps. With a little knowledge you’d recognise my compentency, ah we see the problem.

            I don’t defer to so-called experts, critically assessing their comments (as others mine). Tucker’s new power station claim comical at the time, showing a remarkable comprehension failure of the 7330 data sheet (pointed out at the time). I’ve corrected Gregory’s error filled articles in particular relating to his misunderstanding of layer 2+ in the network model (you’re guilty as well, only one of us a Cisco partner). Budde’s VDSL & g.Fast on the same wire bundle not a deployment scenario. But you’re right most NBN commentary today is those three referencing each other; classic appeal authority.

            I’ve been wrong, and I’m sure more to come. No ones infallible. Call it out (politely) when it happens. I’ve been saying the same for several years, all HC posts is bile. As said, when straying from pure bile his position is destroyed very quickly.

            @hotc I provide more references and links than anyone in this forum. I refuse to repost the same references every week (even asked posts be bookmarked), fanboys with a memory of a goldfish are expected to do a little research. BTW when was the last time you posted a link to anything at all? BLB?

            That most of you don’t understand the financials (some hilarious retorts) nor technology involved isn’t my fault. Maybe time to learn a little (however education and experience mocked by them). With fewer errors I wont have to post as often.

            Again MTM accepted by most; FTTN contested. Australian trials, following many overseas deployments, destroying their previous claims re copper width and quality. No new power stations required (total node power consumption less than the manufacturing I offshored in my last position).

          • Richard, no one here cares about your paranoid delusions – please try to stay on topic and leave your personal insecurities some place else (save them for the IPA team meetings).

          • @do your satellite expansion claims a whopper. Sorry for correcting them (with references). Sure, better you friends listen to your wisdom;-)

            We could go on…

          • @Richard for someone who claims to be a senior nut counter, you sure have trouble with basic arithmetic! The numbers are right there in black and white in the CP’s to compare.

            page 71 of the 2010 Corp Plan has “up to 200k users” for LTSS and page 16 of the 2016 Corp Plan has “more than 400k” for LTSS.

            2010: http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/nbn-co-3-year-gbe-corporate-plan-final-17-dec-10.pdf

            2016: http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco2/documents/nbn-corporate-plan-2016.pdf

            The CP2016 also now says “~590k Fixed Wireless” vs 800,000 FW for the CP2010 plan (1mil -200k for LTSS page 77)

          • I was responding to your allegation I put the information up. I didn’t, you’re again wrong.

            RR I don’t care who put it up. Your comments indicate you are trying to assign blame for this information being put up on me. If you think I should be held accountable for its existence just for doing a copy/paste YOU ARE WRONG.

            I didn’t fall for the Brisbane line gullibility, you did.

            I think I already mentioned I’m not a historian and that you should take it up with Abel since it is a subject you both enjoy. I don’t care for it much. I’d rather talk about technology.

            Your gullibility speaks for itself though. Sucked in by coalition clown propaganda before the election now desperately trying to deny your endorsement of their sloppy and disastrous plan.

            Rest of your flaky comments not worth responding to, you’ve already said the same self-aggrandising crap a million times already and it still has no relevance to this debate. At all.

          • Richard, no one here cares about your paranoid delusions – please try to stay on topic and leave your personal insecurities some place else

            Indeed Derek. Nailed it :-)

          • “I provide more references and links than anyone in this forum.”
            [Citation Needed]. The approximately two links I’ve seen you post does not compare.

            “BTW when was the last time you posted a link to anything at all?”
            Yesterday?

            “I don’t defer to so-called experts”
            Expertly claimed. I believe this one, too.

          • Ahh Brisy boy, Turnbull reference (incorrect) posted years ago. After you stalked every post with bile for a month; posted my work email address, threatened to post phone number. Forgotten already?

            Not a single example of missed opportunity? No power stations locations for the 50-70k nodes? What about Ross’ “profit” (not IRR) of 7%? Perhaps copper “expiring” after 30 years claim? Remote communities missing out on benefiting from fibre that was never going to be install in these communities? Fibre (alone) avoiding phone line rental and cheaper calls? $1b pa for CAN maintenance (more like $2b, 24m services)? $3b for FW & Sat when $4.5b ($3.5b transit missing entirely)? Rollout performance? Up to $20b to buy Telstra CAN (paid zero)?

            All uncontested by the fanboys, actually calling it researched.

            MTM isn’t a success either. Coalitions timelines called out before the election by myself. However this doesn’t change NBNCo disastrous performance not cost overruns (obvious at the time). At the very least 3.5m additional HFC premises would have access to 100mbps NBN connections today, MDUs stuck at service class zero the same utilising FTTB. BT & DT demonstrate the remainder of the fixed line build would also be complete (4m) utilising FTTN. Remind us what was the premises passed and ready for service figure at the 2013 election? NBNCo formed in 2009, billions sunk into it?

            @hc not up to on the NBNCo network. We could talk RSP contention but explained for years without improving comprehension.

            @jk correct “At a minimum our goal is for everybody to have access to a service that provides 25Mbps downstream by 2020, but ultimately, nbn aims to deliver at least 50Mbps download speeds to 90% of fixed line premises by 2020.”

            Speeds continue to improve (accepted yet?).

            Ross’ article errors alone enough for him to be instructed to not write on the subject.

          • threatened to post phone number.

            Never happened. Post proof to back up this claim.

            Still waiting for that page number too…

          • ” After you stalked every post with bile for a month;”

            Poor baby, got asked a question couldn’t answer it so instead of doing the right thing and admitting he was wrong had a hissy fit and avoided it.

            “posted my work email address”

            Whining about information you yourself put on the Internet for all to see. Copy/paste is a terrible crime now.

            Coalitions timelines called out before the election by myself.

            Called out by MYSELF and others. You on the other hand endorsed the clusterfuck. Concerns about time-lines doesn’t nullify your endorsement.

          • Richard
            Just because the price tag of $11B still doesn’t mean they paid zero doesn’t it numbers man. Telstra was expecting $2B for fix the ducts and pits but due to the poor maintence and records five minutes to midnight if you remember which you have cost a lot more. Hence under the new agree the cost is now on the nbn that’s not a zero cost now is it.

            Well according to your beloved figures of the SR which is now only $8B significantly less. The HFC already meets the 25Mbps requirement doesn’t it but a getting free upgrade to 3.1 which by the way should be connected by the end of the year to the nbn but now another 2 years later again. Yet you expect to upto 4.5M premises to pay more that the FTTP cost to get that same level of service.

            Yes speeds continue to improve but you fail to mention the reason why.

            The MTM has been an utter failed. As the CP16 has shown the MTM cost is really more and that the FTTP lol $71B is less than. The only slight advantage the MTM has is the mythical faster rollout which still no sign of. But with the continue delays that 3 year window is shrinking.

          • The only slight advantage the MTM has is the mythical faster rollout which still no sign of.

            Have a bit of faith. Anything can happen in the next 346 days Jason :)

          • I know HC lol

            But you got to love Richard. Comment when he claims if it wasn’t for the nbn the private sector would have provided. But the Tekstra had a plan for FTTP back in 1991 so really if it wasn’t for to sale into a private company we would have had FTTP by now.

          • @brisy boy it never happened. No hissy fit (In South America, missed your bile, when noticed posted).

            Info never posted by myself, nor the company I managed. BS.

            Show me a single post where I endorsed to policy? True pointed out better than the Quigley/Conroy failure (still correct), but always obvious the NBN policy going to be an expensive failure.

            Thousand of HC bile posts, yet not a single contribution.

            @jk revenue figure developed from evidence offers by Cooper (Renai should run with it, best site contribution yet). Please take some time to understand them, please! The “detailed analysis” author got it (fanboys obviously nada). Option for HFC and CANs acquired for zero in renegotiated contract (the $11b figure ABC quoted, keep up), true there are other costs but also revenues. We could model those as well but it would be wasted here (innumerate).

            Present HFC can’t guarantee min 25mbps without upgrade, please take some time to understand the network. Since update required silly not to use lastest equipment. Copper speeds always increasing over all distances and cables (get it yet?).

            CP16 makes clear CPP of the various technologies. Amazing anyone can read that as positive to FTTH. But not really, SR rejection still too difficult to understand.

            @hoc a dozen examples provided on glaring areas in his “researched” article. Still unable to see it.

            Fanboys post personified. HC nothing but bile.

          • No hissy fit

            Hissy fit still ongoing it seems… So do have the page number yet?

            Info never posted by myself, nor the company

            I certainly did not put it on the internet. The internet is where I found it. Google a magical thing apparently. But I suppose you would have us believe fairies put it on all those sites referencing beomix (and beomix itself) instead of accepting responsibility for it being there. Seriously what kind of disarray and incompetence is going on there if randoms are putting information you apparently don’t want to be publicly available on the internet? Regardless it’s existence has nothing to do with me. Go cry somewhere else. Your relentless whining is boring.

            BS.

            Indeed, much of what you say is BS. Laughable attempts to revise history in you favor when the facts are there for all to see. You’re not fooling anyone least of all me…

            Show me a single post where I endorsed to policy?

            Here we go again (try to retain this in your pea brain this time):
            http://www.zdnet.com/article/many-unanswered-questions-in-coalitions-nbn-plan-macquarie-telecom/
            (The Liberal policy document includes everything I’ve been posting about for years; use of existing infrastructure, priority for areas where market failed, access to infrastructure for competition, review of NBNCo past activities, CBA, etc It is almost as if they commissioned me to write it)

          • But you got to love Richard.

            Indeed. But it’s 2016, you can see him falling apart in every post he makes, they are becoming even more shrill and irrational because he’s coming to the realisation (very slowly) that the plan he endorsed is an even bigger clusertfuck than we predicted. As 2017 approaches expect the meltdowns to be even more frequent and spectacular. I’m glad to have a front row seat on Delimiter :)

          • “a dozen examples provided on glaring areas in his “researched” article. Still unable to see it.”
            And given the accuracy and relevance his article retains today, two years on, I think you’re starting to realise you’ve been firing blanks all this time. And apparently I’m not the only one to notice ^^^

          • Richard
            ” true there are other costs”
            so you agree its wasn’t acquired at ZERO cost

            yes Richard your Modeling of averaging the figures but then your claiming FTTN ARPU on FTTP ARPU.

            Richard doesn’t Telstra offer an up to 38Mbps and up to 100 Mbps on there HFC already. Thats already on with in the SOE of at least 25Mbps.

            But got to love this little gem of yours
            “Since update required silly not to use latest equipment.”
            “Copper speeds always increasing over all distances and cables (get it yet?).” So since now we have G.fast delivering 1Gpbs we can expect to ditch wireless and sat because copper speeds have increased over all distances (get it yet) lol.

            CPP isnt the only factor is it but then the CP did show the SR CCP for FTTP and MTM wrong. But then you dont like me using the S2 or should I start mention S4 which is now cheaper than the MTM because how did you put it oh that’s right

            “using the best numbers available at the time”.

            It must hurt the numbers man that his MTM isn’t significantly cheaper any more.

      • MTM technologies are the area of the most innovation today.

        lol, this the type of line I would expect from the coalition clowns. They are masters of comedy when it comes to broadband too.

  4. For those unaware, reading the ‘comprehensive’ AMA on Reddit needs quite a lot of spare time, and it kind of finishes with a lot of unanswered questions as NR called it quits after a number of hours at the keys.

    • I’m fairly sure he mentioned he’d be back over the next few days to continue providing answers.

      • There’s been a lot of claims made that he’s talking rubbish. I think this week he is planning on ‘real’ journalism as opposed to social media info.

        • Good, I really hope he can back his story up properly …. sounds like his tape recordings will do just that.

  5. WHO CARES. There are more important things in life to worry about than this trivia crap.

  6. Does anyone realise that Phil is a former adviser to Stephen Conroy. He is only defending Nick Ross because the Federal Party won’t.

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