The National Broadband Network Company has started contacting a number of Tasmanian residents on the edges of the planned fibre coverage area, inviting them to request a quote to have the NBN fibre extended to their premises at their own cost.
The project is a trial initiative first flagged in April, which could see the NBN fibre extended to additional premises beyond the 93 percent of premises promised as part of the NBN policy. It arose as a result of concerns from residents and businesses on the edge of the fibre rollout zones that they would just miss out on the fibre and instead be served by lesser capacity wireless and satellite technologies, as they are in the remainder 7 percent of the population.
In a post on broadband forum Whirlpool, user ‘bart1111’ claimed he had received a letter from NBN Co head of construction Dan Flemming, notifying him that his property would be covered by either a wireless or satellite service. NBN Co spokesperson Scott Rhodie posted on Whirlpool that the letter was legitimate.
“It may be possible for you to connect to the National Broadband Network using fibre optic technology, if you agree to pay NBN Co to extend the fibre optic network to your property,” wrote Flemming. “Over the coming months, NBN Co is performing a trial of the fibre optic network extension process with selected properties that border the Tasmania Second Release sites of Triabunna, Sorell, Deloraine, St Helens and South Hobart.”
To take part in the trial, those invited to do so must request a no-obligation quote from NBN Co by telephone by 24 June to have the fibre extended to their property. NBN Co will then determine how much the extension will cost, and then if the property owner wishes to accept the amount, they must pay the relevant amount within several weeks.
“Your property will then be connected to the fibre optic network as part of the planned roll out in your area in the coming months,” wrote Fleming.
However, a number of factors with respect to the program are currently unclear.
To begin with, NBN Co has not yet disclosed how much it will cost residents to have fibre rolled out to their premises, with Rhodie noting only that it would cost a different amount to reach each premise, based on “a range of factors such as geology, distance, available network” and so on.
“There is no one magic number,” he wrote. “Each property will be different, [kilometres] is only one fact that will be taken into consideration. Determining how much the process will cost residents will be part of the trial.
In addition, there is debate about which properties are actually included as part of the fibre rollout. ‘bart1111’ pointed out that his property was actually inside the fibre footprint, according to NBN Co’s own estimated coverage maps — a factor which might be mitigated by the fact that he acknowledged his house was about 150m away from his front gate.
The news comes as regional councils and other groups continue to progress plans to avoid being left out of the national fibre footprint. iTNews reported this week, for example, that six remote Queensland towns, for example, had proposed building their own 1,350 fibre link to bring fibre to their region.
Image credit: NBN Co
What a dirty little ploy !
What a scam !
Trying to scare up some connections. That would otherwise decline the “free” connection.
Hey this might just work . . . . . . . or it could backfire badly.
If Quigley could authorise bribes all over South America, this he probably considers is a act of Charity.
Now this is Priceless !
This NBN is laugh riot ;-)
I guess Conroy doesn’t want another embarrassment like the “magnificent 7 connections from Armidale”
Time for your medicine Reality Check.
“What a scam !”
There is no scam.
From the PDF
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“Trying to scare up some connections. That would otherwise decline the “free” connection.”
yeah that’s funny because all this time the anti-NBN crusaders have been telling us it should be opt-in and now that people outside the fibre footprint are given the option to opt-in you complain. Shouldn’t you be telling us the whole fibre rollout should be done like this? Are you people ever going to come up with a consistent argument?
It would appear (according to NBN WP spokesperson therein – Scott Rhodie) that this is an option being offered to those “outside” the fibre footprint area…and an offer which they are NOT obliged to accept!
As such, of course the people receiving the offer can say no and simply wait for wireless or satellite from NBNCo…in due course.
Wow what a furore eh? Sigh…
This IS actually referred to as pro-activity on NBNCo’s part, and I’m sure something that other companies would do in similar circumstances too…
Seems they are saying… as you are “outside of the fibre footprint area”, NBNCo will be supplying you with wireless/satellite, in due course. However, NBNCo can immediately offer you fibre connection as an option now, “IF” you would like, with a connection fee of $X…
Sounds like a win/win… NBNCo will offer to those outside the fibre area the option to connect to fibre, for a nominal fee, “if they so choose”. If they say yes, then those outside the area will have fibre (BEFORE THE REST OF US) as opposed to waiting for wireless/satellite and NBNCo will start to work on that more precious than life itself (according to the FUD$ter$) ROI…
So WTF is the problem now…?
Seems this simply gives the mindless FUDsters more to FUD-up about and use their typical idiotic contradictions…
You know, bag the government about the poor old taxpayer, ROI etc and say “those who want it should pay”…
But when exactly what they ask for occurs, as is apparently being proposed here, they still ****ing whinge…?
Plankers!
Here is the NBN scam further explained. ( Not for RS but for the broader audience )
If the NBN does not get premises to connect to the fibre, then they can not shut down the copper connection.
Every active copper connection means less viability for the NBN.
Fibre connection acceptance is very poor. ( But even if it wasnt, paying subscribers over the fibre is the real name of the game)
So in order to scare people to taking the fibre connection, the plan is to show everyone how much it may cost if you had to pay for it. Even if your in an area were you are actually designated to get it for free.
They probably will in the end take steps that will shut the copper connection down, but in between then. they dont want to go back into a given area multiple times to connect the fibre to individual premises over and over and over and over etc etc again!
It would be interesting to see if in the end will they have to shut down the copper first before the few or more who would take the fibre actually accept the connection.
So your new policy is just to make unfounded accusations? Where is your evidence?
@ NightKaos here is your evidence.
(along with the evidence that highlights something very telling about you)
Lets take the absolute minimum cost identified to NBNco for connecting a residential premises. $1500-$3000.
This cost is for a premises inside the NBNco footprint.
A regular site, right next to a regular site already connected.
So if this minimal cost applied, it would by definition be included in the NBN footprint not out side of it.
So without going into the cost dynamics of a premises that actually is outside the NBN footprint.
Lets assume that is the quote they provide to anybody that actually enquires for a quote.
Considering that out of the 80% or so that connected the fibre in Armidale for just 7 actual subscribers its abundantly obvious NOT ONE RESIDENTIAL PREMISE will actually pay $1500 to connect to the fibre if they are off net let alone for a cost that is actually multiple times more !
There is only 1 reason why the NBNco is offering this free quote service.
And technically as it how Zero or near Zero chance off actually getting any interest for its stated purpose,
I believe it is a marketing ploy, which I believe there is a Trade Practise’s Law that it specifically breach’s !
P.S. Hey Nightkoas, Quigley seems to be sinking further into the Bribery shit, good thing nobody’s actually accused him of being directly involved !
N I G H T K H, note the H, A O S. Say it with me: N I G H T K H A O S.
Right so, with that out of the way, lets see, blah blah blah its expensive, blah blah blah 7 subscribers.
Hmm, wait a second, I seem to recall something about those 7 being the inital sign ups before the actual network is open to the public, and we haven’t got any subcriber figures but we do know some 70% of residences did opt in for the Fibre connection in the first place.
Curious ha? I mean that could mean that like there are people who want to sign up by couldn’t.
Wait, of course no one is going to pay the $1500 to connect to the premise, did you pay for the DSLAM to be installed in your exchange, did you pay for the HFC to be run by your house, did you pay for the cell phone tower on the hill?
And… oh it gets worse. Well.
There is this thing call logic Reality Check, it involves this thing known as empirical evidence. You might want to try it sometime. I hear people are more likely to listen to you.
(For those incapable of noticing it this post was written in sarcasm for humorous intent).
About 8 years ago I paid for sewerage (about $3000) as it was extended to run past our house (and retired the septic system). I don’t see a great difference between the NBN fringe charges for access and what we’ve had to pay for other service extension. Sure people who live in large estates aren’t used to these charges but for many of us who live on the edge of country towns it’s an annoying but accepted part of living where we live. The upside is I’ve got a spacious 1 acre block and I’m still not far from town.
… and what about the copper on the grassy knoll?
FFS have you FUDsters got nothing better to do than sit around and make up stupid ***t…?
Apparently not…!
I would like to understand why this particular individual does not qualify for FTTH. Could you follow up with NBN Co Renai?
um because:
“The National Broadband Network Company has started contacting a number of Tasmanian residents on the edges of the planned fibre coverage area,”
umm perhaps it’s because:
“The National Broadband Network Company has started contacting a number of Tasmanian residents on the edges of the planned fibre coverage area”,
Did you read all of the article?
“In addition, there is debate about which properties are actually included as part of the fibre rollout. ‘bart1111′ pointed out that his property was actually inside the fibre footprint, according to NBN Co’s own estimated coverage maps — a factor which might be mitigated by the fact that he acknowledged his house was about 150m away from his front gate.”
Well I assume the NBN Co know what they are doing and which properties are or are not in their coverage footprint, the map as shown is large scale it doesn’t indicate detailed boundaries to the last metre.
He received a letter saying he was not included, what else is there for Renai to find out?
@ alain,
So you admit that in your opinion/assumption, “NBNCo know what they are doing”…!
Thanks for finally agreeing, that NBN Co do indeed know and therefore, their Corporate plan/Business case is correct and the NBN is the way to go..
See that wasn’t that hard was it…
Quote –
“The National Broadband Network Company has started contacting a number of Tasmanian residents on the edges of the planned fibre coverage area, inviting them to request a quote to have the NBN fibre extended to their premises at their own cost.”
Now much is it going to cost? Any think about it like this, why would I want to pay for it to be installed when NBNCo in a few years would be building it to my place for free? Considering the properties are adjoining, the next obvious phase would be for NBNCo to build outwards from their first estate.
It is a way of enticing those who have money to spend or those who want it now, but this will should the true demand for the NBN and its affordability as opposed to other options.
I really don’t get the problem. The NBN project is in its trial phase and as such is testing models all over the place. This seems to be an instance of someone actually thinking, ie… if you don’t fit the black and white profile of what a free deployment looks like, then you are given an option.
If you don’t want to pay, then don’t. If you want to get connected when you otherwise wouldn’t qualify, then pay.
Only suckers would take up the NBN – free connection or not. Why? ‘Cause they can say goodbye to cheap internet and “large” (anything of consequence) downloads. Oh – and when the copper starts getting ripped out of the ground – they can forget going BACK to cheap internet and large downloads too – forever.
And your evidence for this is?
That map is a bit concerning, looks like coverage is stopping at the suburban streets, regardless of exchange distance.
I’m 4.5km from exchange, 1km from suburban blocks. Theres 16 premises in our 2km long dead end road, with ten pair copper between them (with two pair nearly burnt out by a pair gain Ram8)
My internets via my own 1km wireless to a working full copper connection since cant even get a phoneline with working voice, mobile made more sense after 6mths(6 attempted repairs) of broken landline service. Only found out about Universal Service Obligation after i disconnected, and its not worth $300 reconnect to go thru another 12mths of ordeal for a voice line.
But there seems to be an inference by that map that suburban blocks get upgraded to fibre, anyone nearby gets wireless. Wont be happy if thats so, already spent >$500 for the wireless setup, if it was around that price it would be ok. I wonder tho, if you pay a few thousand to extend the network to your premises, then someone else connects later a few hundred metres further on… do you get compensation for your private expenditure? I’d bet no… theres more issues arising with this sort of offer.
Woori Yallock, Yarra Valley, Vic which btw doesnt need NBN according to liberals
One good thing coming out of all this debate is the realisation of the enormity of the NBN roll-out and the intense complications that will be encountered along the way. Those who explain these complications should not be attacked as anti NBN fascists by those with other opinions. We all have our opinions and because I believe that the final cost of the NBN will be in excess of 100 billion dollars does not mean that I am anti NBN.
“boo hoo hoo I cant come up with a decent argument so I’ll say everyone is attacking me. boo hoo hoo etc.”
It is fine to point out flaws, it is not okay then to reject the project entirely without even attempting to explore these concerns and determine if they are legitimate or can be worked on.
I am of course refering to assertions like “consumers are going wireless”, an assertion not backed ABS stats.
Compliants like excessively high CVC costs, which can be addressed easily by the government ammending its foolish notion that the NBN should pay for itself in full (indirect economic benefits do exist so why are we not using those to write off say a quarter of the cost?).
Assertions that it’s too expensive, when one, seemingly obvious, option is to reduce to footprint to say 80% if the usage and uptake do not reach levels adequate levels to show it was a justified expense for everyone.
Assertions like the NBN uptake is low, seemingly forgetting that the current areas are A TRIAL.
Assertions like no one will want or need more than 12Mbps, 60Mbps, etc, which is quick frankly a ridiculous stance to take. No data I have looked at can see a plateau of demand.
And my personal favourite, assertions like Labor can’t do anything right. Everyone here should be intelligent enough to know why doing that is a downright foolish idea.
I agree Syd, those who forward “legitimate concerns” should not be attacked. But what about those who are “obviously not legitimate”…?
As witnessed here by the “vast majority of NBN detractors”, most are, imo, either slaves to their own wallets such as Telstra shares disciples or political puppets.
Those who say things like, the NBN will cost over $100B, then break into a ridiculous NWAT spiel circa 2005. Or those who, for absolutely no rational reason, contradict themselves every second comment. Saying things like HFC was a failure/HFC is great and the NBN monopoly shouldn’t decommission. Or as above calling anything NBNCo do as “a dirty ploy”.
Then we have those who find “one” issue within this, as you say Syd, enormous task, such as CVC figures highlighted by Simon Hackett (which we are all grateful for Simon’s input). But for months now these people claim doom and gloom daily, because of this one issue, “even though NBNCo have already given complete assurances that the pricings can be reviewed and altered”.
And of course most, if not all of them, show their true colours by saying things Labor’s NBN sux or Labor are wasteful or bring on the election…? Now I don’t care what anyone says about politicians, they are just pollies and all the same as far as I’m concerned, regardless of their silly ideologies. But by saying such things, it is obvious, which side their bread is buttered…and why they oppose the NBN…!
So until they come here without their selfish agendas (which are as obvious as the proverbial dogs …. imo)…trying to hold Australia back because of their own selfish agendas, they will continue to cop the flack they/YOU so richly deserve…
“I agree Syd, those who forward “legitimate concerns” should not be attacked. But what about those who are “obviously not legitimate”…?”
Of course you are the sole arbitrator of what is legitimate or not in Delimiter and other blogs, which is based on zero factual information and more on which posters hammer you on regular basis, they are therefore classified as not being ‘legitimate’ where your only avenue of response is personal attack.
As witnessed here by the “vast majority of NBN detractors”, most are, imo, either slaves to their own wallets such as Telstra shares disciples or political puppets.
You know this how? – oh that’s right you have no idea, but when in doubt take the lazy easy option and play the political or corporate allegiance card without any proof whatever.
“trying to hold Australia back because of their own selfish agendas, they will continue to cop the flack they/YOU so richly deserve…”
Of course the pro-NBN argument is without any selfish agenda and is pure and white as the driven snow, but you always do like a rigged one way one eyed argument at the total expense of any objective view whatever eh RS?
You are a total embarrassment, even by those putting forward a rational pro-NBN argument, but of course their legitimate criticism’s are wrong as well.
No I am not the sole arbitrator… BUT NEITHER ARE YOU… Got it!
I have my NBN concerns and have outlined them. I have also said the NBN isn’t perfect (but the best option we have)… So, more blatant lies from you alain, at least you are consistent.
Conversely, you have never given the NBN credit what-so-ever! So seriously…!
But, although I am 100% pro-NBN and believe in the NBN (regardless of whether it is/was Labor or Coalition policy) and will say so at every opportunity, I equally enjoy prodding anti-NBN liars and fools and seeing the response.
The fact that I get more hits from you than anyone is actually quite telling and humorous in the foolish liar stakes…
And you know what? I am not alone, seems there’s lots of people who think the same of you and have clearly said so…
You asked, so just saying…but please feel free to sob personal attack and appeal to Renai, elaine?
“Of course the pro-NBN argument is without any selfish agenda and is pure and white as the driven snow”
Well that is the difference between normal people and anti-NBN crusaders. We want what is best for Australia they do not. I think that if I can get a 40mbps connection for say $60 then everyone else should have that option too. anti-NBN crusaders are different they believe speeds and prices should vary, if you are in a regional area you should pay more for that 40mbps connection and it should be 1mbps not 40mbps.
“Well that is the difference between normal people and anti-NBN crusaders.”
Ranting personal attack no fact pro-NBN argument is ‘normal’ is it, keep on deluding yourself HC, it’s all you have going for you.
I assume (just like the many merits of the NBN totally escape you) the hypocrisy of your above comment has gone straight over your own head, alain…!
“Ranting personal attack”
You dont know what a personal attack is do you?
“keep on deluding yourself HC”
Remind us exactly who is deluding themsleves here, aren’t you in the group that thinks FTTN is neat and a great way to waste taxpayers money?
“it’s all you have going for you.”
That’s quite presumptuous of you but considering I am in favor of the NBN like like minded forward thinking people capable of looking beyond their own noses and own selfish needs I’d say I have more going for me than you do that is for sure.
The only ones against the NBN are the liberal puppets who will do anything to get their ‘dear leader’ into power. No care for the future of Australia or our nation. You have to spend money to progress. get over yourselves stop whinging and complaining and be excited Australia’s NBN will put us in the best seat for now and the future as more technology comes available. Fibre is cutting edge with huge scope to expand. Wireless fills the gaps but can’t be a reliable source for business, banking etc. and can never compete with fibres bandwith. not to mention having streets filled up with cancer causing towers is not smart now, is it.
The Fact of the matter is even though the NBN is now legally binding, if Abbott and Co get in they with pay out all those companies with contracts then destroy the NBN. Seriously these people need a jail sentence, power mongering in its lowest form. come out of the dark ages you liberal muppets.
Quote RS. “As witnessed here by the ‘vast majority of NBN detractors’ most are, imo,either slaves to their own wallets such as Telstra shares” etc.
RS being a person with a perspective of investment acumen how can you make such a silly and illogical statement. You would know that Telstra is at a distinct advantage with the creation of an agreement with the NBN Co and would certainly wish for a successful completion of that agreement. All Telstra shareholders would wish for the NBN to proceed successfully as it is in their interests to so do, by what warped thinking do you claim Telstra shareholders would be anti NBN?
Sorry Renai… !
That’s fine RS, I just deleted a bunch of your posts ;) No worries!
Syd…investing is how people make money… investing per se` isn’t a bad thing…
But to come to blogs 24/7, touting nothing but disproved NWAT myths (which even Telstra no longer agrees with) and sappy Telstra promotion, simply with one aim, to try to talk up one’s own portfolio “at the expense of Australia’s comms”, imo, is disgraceful!
Life wasn’t meant to be easy RS.
P.S. I like U2.
It’s only money RS and I did average down since my original purchase so all is not lost, and the truth is Truth that Senator Conroy will ensure that “his baby” will be saved from cancellation in future by the inclusion of massive financial sanctions should any future Government decide to abandon the project. I think a five billion cancellation fee would do the trick. The two thousand pages of agreements between Telstra and the NBN Co will contain enough ammunition for Telstra and NBN Co lawyers to hit anyone who contemplates a destruction of the NBN out of the car park.
RS as the great Bob Dylan said “the times they are a’changin” and as situations change and the World turns we must adapt and change also or we descend into a deadly time warp. Never wishing to be caught out with old and outdated dogma we must daily consider new information and ideas and move with the times. A good word to remember RS is pragmatism and never be afraid of change because change is the only certainty in our lives.
Wow – a lot of dribble going on in this thread.
Anyone who has ACTUALLY taken the time to understand what is actually spoken by NBN Co in regards to possible fibre access in the 94th (and above) percentile of the network would know who in this thread has it right, and who has it wrong.
Having been to almost every industry forum put on by NBN Co since the commencement of the project – (the only ones I haven’t been to are those that have clashed with other commitments) – I can state quite categorically that any number of NBN Co executives – (including Mike Quigley himself on more than one occassion) – have quite clearly stated that any premise in the 94th percentile and above is welcome to seek fibre access, provided they make up the difference in cost.
That is – if you’re in the 94th percentile, and you want fibre, NBN Co will fund your connection to the same amount as a fibre connection in the 93rd percentile. Let’s say that’s $1000.
If you’re in the 94th percentile and it is gonna cost $1300, you’ll get charged $300 – as NBN Co will fund the first $1000.
That’s how it is, and that’s been the policy for quite some time. I challenge any one of the people posting here to contact NBN Co and try and disprove that.
Secondly, any premise in the 94th and above percentile who gets wireless or satellite will keep their copper connection. Any argument that the copper connection needs to vanish to make the NBN viable in those areas is irrelevant, because they will co-exist in those areas.
Once again, I challenge any one of the people posting here to contact NBN Co and try and disprove that.
I wish them luck.
I know certain people who frequent this place don’t like me or what I have to say about the NBN, but since I’ve bothered to follow along – (and not listen to the crap in newspapers) – I know how to smell what is and is not bullshit about the NBN.
And there’s been a lot spoken around here lately – not the very least in this thread.
Well that’s fine Renai, but alas to show your “impartiality” again you clamp down on me while letting the others off.. so good onya..!
It’s OK to insult in moderation … you just got to be a bit more subtle ;)
So 100% of australians pay for (NBN Co would have u believe your investing in) this new network through taxes and funding cuts to elsewhere.
Yet of this some will have a lesser product of wireless and if those (the 7% of people that aren’t living in the right street) want to get fibre they have to pay for it again for a return on everyone elses investment.
Shouldnt it be that those people on the edges should just be offered to pay the difference?
I can imagine that where there isnt much distance between the haves and have nots. The haves might start onselling their service to the have nots.
It would also seem more reasonable that seeing as power connects everywhere by copper already that those far to reach places be covered with broadband over power lines which has already been proven in tassie 200Mbps seems better than any Wireless service and you can even run your microwave at the same time!
Okay 200Mbps at what distance?
Remember ADSL2+, how it’s bandwidth decreases the further you are from the DSLAM?
Yeah that’s a problem with eve commications technology. Even fibre, although that takes longer to lose the bandwidth than copper (so long in fact for the FTTH technology chosen for the NBN it won’t become a problem for many kilometres (as opposed to a few hundred metres for DSL based technology).
So how long of a cable before you no longer get 200Mbps?
While being hesitant to comment on the recent abuse from some communicators on this excellent forum I do so with reluctance and through necessity, considering I have been the target of some of the hostilities.
I do think trying to make points or gain advantage by personal abuse is counter productive and does nothing to contribute to sensible debate. Every opinion should be freely presented without fear of personal vilification.
For myself it was never my intention or desire to offend but it is probably time that we all consider our contributions and be sure that they are within the bounds, rightly explained by Renai.
I normally prefer a very “hands-off” approach, I only intervene if posts have zero argument and 100% offensive insult …
Syd, it’s referred to as “glass houses” and “karma”…
You do recall why I started commenting…? Yes I’m sure you do, but to refresh… simply because, after years of being a comms hobbyist and reading forum/blog comments and never replying, I made one (initial) comment at NWAT, many moons ago.
I did so, purely topic based (which was going to be a one-off comment) through the eyes of one who wasn’t seeing comms, as the 4 who had taken over NWAT did/do, through TLS portfolio, rose coloured glasses…
So was my opinion/comment welcomed, as you now wish to subscribe to here? No, my comment was replied to by the 4 Telstra stakeholders. Yourself, another who still frequents blogs (not this one) and two others, who I haven’t heard of since (although one, who was a Telstra employee, has a few sound-a-likes here and other blogs…LOL)… And rather than being given a hearing at all, I was immediately set upon (there’s no other words for it) and referred to by you Syd, as a “dishonest, disparaging opponent of Aussie icon Telstra, out for my own financial agenda” (which I found and still find most hypocritical). Your mate simply called me an “ignoramus” and the other two agreed and stated other less than flattering names etc…so seriously…! This started my replies, which later morphed into NBN support…once the ridiculous NWAT propaganda (which again I reiterate even Telstra shy away from) and “those spreading it” were totally, discredited!
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not complaining that you went mt, I’m a big boy and have proven that I can take it and have never sobbed off to Editor’s or arbitrators to complain about another, as you hypocritically (taking everything into account, seem to be doing now) even once. Do you miss the safety of NWAT protection?
But of course, when the finger is pointed at me, by arbitrators, I do expect it to be pointed at my combatant (LOL) too, as it takes two to Tango. So I dish out every bit as good as I get (and more). So much so indeed, that your mate VM once even gave me the highest accolade, at ZDNet many moons ago, that “I was instrumental in the closure of NWAT”! Woo-hoo! Now instead we have the more civilised Telstra Exchange!
So seriously Syd… your own discourtesy towards “MANY others at NWAT” (I was just the tip of the iceberg – every person who commented there with anything less than complete Telstra subservience was attacked too) is the reason you are replied to the way you are/I do…
You know what I say above is the truth and as such, what goes around comes around! In saying that I will indeed watch my p’s and q’s as Renai requests in future, but don’t expect to get off scott-free Syd, remember who initiated the unpleasantness… Really, you have no one but yourself to blame!
RS let the old things pass away and let all things become new. Let there be fierce and open competition by Retail Service Providers on the new level playing field with all opponents engaging in actions that will help the Australian consumer obtain a better service for a cheaper cost. Let us have no more talk of unfair rules and regulation to assist one party and hinder the other, the ball is in the open court and it is up to all players to compete honestly and with vigor to survive in open competition.
So you accuse me of attacking you and whinge about being victimised, Syd…?
But then when reminded why, you brush it off with “let old things pass away”, blah, blah… sigh! Ya reckon?
Then you talk about fierce and open competition…and again STILL whinge about FAIR regulations/laws which pertain to Telstra, because they received the monopoly, golden goose PSTN… ?
Seriously in true NWAT style AND CONTRARY TO TELSTRA ITSELF… you still even now, refuse to accept those regulations were needed to protect the LEGAL access for others, which was part of Telstra’s vesting of the PSTN?
(shakes head in total disbelief)!
RS we (you and I) have been over that debate in past years and your views are well known. That is history and a closed book. Let us move forward in an attempt to help to identify a path the will assist the Australian consumer receive a better deal from Retail Service Providers.
Do you agree that now, considering the separation of Telstra, attained by Senator Conroy and delivering to Telstra opponents the result they have called for over the last years, the time for the call by Telstra opponents for more regulation on Telstra should cease????
What happened RS, cat got your tongue?
Would you be so kind as to answer this simple question. YES or NO.
Question. Do you agree that with sale of Telstra Wholesale, thereby creating a level playing field for all participants in the Industry, the self-serving and devious calls from Telstra opponents, which damage Telstra for their own advantage, should now cease???????????????
Gee I almost missed this.. Well Syd, time for you to man-up…
Only a few days ago, you cried about me “attacking” you and I reminded you that of course you started the unpleasantness…
So to hide your further embarrassment, instead of admitting to your initial unpleasantness (even though you know it is true) “YOU SAID OLD THINGS PASS AWAY and ASKED ME TO MOVE ON” from our unpleasantness, DIDN’T YOU?
Having since decided WTF, your TLS share driven greed will never allow you to see anything rationally “that’s exactly what I decided to do”. Ignore your above further share driven irrationality and move on”..
But now you have the audacity to ask, “has the cat has my tongue”, FFS…?
Do you want me to move on or was that just a typical Lawrence attempt to again hide his greed? Sydney, please don’t keep picking fights with me and when I retaliate, then cry to the arbitrators AGAIN…
As such, please feel free to ask me any question, but please do so as a rational (ahem) human being would…! As such that was not a question. That was typically ridiculous, NWAT TLS grandstanding.
FYI (if I can interpret through all that sappy TLS BS) the answer is NO…
Whilst ever Telstra owns the last mile and/or the NBN is fully functional throughout Australia, Telstra will need to be regulated, as witnessed by Telstra not allowing LEGAL exchange access to competitors and being fined $18m…And of course opponents will be allowed to ask questions…! What do you expect, a contractual gag order written into the so called level playing field, denying anyone the right to even question Telstra?
It isn’t rocket science, well it isn’t to those who can see past their own greedy TLS snouts!
So Syd, once you accept that Australia’s comms does not exclusively revolve around Telstra and (heaven forbid) your TLS portfolio and stop commenting as such (in other words you move on) I will too.
And the story continues/evolves, see http://whrl.pl/RcM7v9
The user has said he is awaiting confirmation in writing from NBNco that it will be a no cost install. Very interesting.
RS while agreeing with some of the points you make I am surprised at your inability to interpret and understand the simple basis of my question.
I would have thought that you would have noticed that my question was “with the sale of Telstra Wholesale” in other words when Senator Conroy’s level playing field has been created.
Understanding this aspect would you now answer the question, do you agree that with the sale of Telstra Wholesale Telstra opponents should compete on merits and cease the call for unfair advantage?
Which part of “NO” is so hard to understand…Syd? The answer was pretty categorical…!
Regardless, what you need to understand is… IT IS YOUR “OPINION THAT TELSTRA IS BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY AND OTHERS GAINING UNFAIR ADVANTAGE…”
Even though you got your answer (and didn’t like it, so asked again…LOL) to ask any question of another, based around your own incorrect perceptions due to share bias is at best, idiotic!
Those who do not have a stake in any comms companies and can see straight, do not hold the same biased opinions and can actually understand reality. Reality which includes LAWS which pertain to Telstra, which must continue until the NBN is operational.
TELSTRA IS NOT BEING TREATED UNFAIRLY… there is a new answer to an unasked question!
As for level playing field, I’m sure many will argue Telstra receiving $B’s for migration and a nice war chest, is anything but level…!
Sadly Syd, the only person who has an obvious inability to interpret is you, because you are selfishly unable to see past your ****ing TLS shares…
Ah RS you are a comic. I note your sly reference which could develop, without the watchful eye of Senator Conroy, into the next episode of the opponents of Telstra as they develop another invidious attack on Telstra for their own advantage. Your reference to the “war chest” that Telstra would have when the sale of Telstra assets is complete is something that will probably the used by Telstra opponents to attempt to deny Telstra the opportunity to use this capital to deliver the Australian consumer better and cheaper services. To demonstrate how devious Telstra opponents can be, there is gossip that opponents will agitate for a percentage of the Telstra sale money be given to opponents to assist them compete with Telstra.
Just FYI, the whirlpool poster has now indicated that he is getting fibre for free. Unclear if this is due to personal pressure or the discussions held by his local council.
Would suggest adding an update to the story.
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