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I noticed that too.
I emailed his office to ask for clarification and to state outright if Labour would (or wouldn’t) return to FTTP.
We’ll see what they say.
I suspect they will fudge for a while until they actually release the policy.
Really? You’re going to back up your predictions from 2 months ago behind a pay wall? On a topic of this particular scale?
Apologies — Delimiter’s premium insight and analysis is now part of our membership solution. Our basic news articles — which is most of our content — remains free :)
Never visited Delimiter for the news, I could do that in other places you know.
I thought I kickstarted a book with the promise that Delimiter will return.
This is more akin to Delimiter 2.0/3.0.
Don’t apologise.
Quality content and journalism costs money to produce.
I don’t know why people expect to get it for free.
It’s simply not possible to do it. What I am hoping for is a reduction in the FTTN footprint, and a corresponding increase in the FTTP.
My prediction is their policy will basically be HFC in HFC areas, FTTP for Greenfields, FTTB for MDU’s and FTTdp for Brownfields using G.Fast.
Which…. is also what I expect the MTM to evolve into sooner or later, aren’t NBN Co investigating FTTdp with G.Fast now?
I prefer to call “fibre TO the node” for what it really is:
copper FROM the node. Or copper FROM a box.
Not a bad way to say it at all :) I may take that up myself :)
Just quietly, none of those articles (and no statement I have seen from Labor) claim they are “returning to a full FTTP NBN model”. Only one is close and that is the heading “NBN will go back to full fibre optic under Labor, says Clare”, which isn’t untrue either, and the clarity lies in the opening statement
“Opposition spokesman on communications Jason Clare has indicated Labor will ramp up the number of homes connected using fibre-optic cabling as part of the $56 billion national broadband network if it wins the next federal election.
So not sure what your article is about? Not sure it’s worth “premium” to find out.
hey mate,
if you read a lot of the articles published yesterday, they directly claim that Clare is planning to dump the FTTN model and return to FTTP. I don’t believe that is the case, and I’ve outlined the reasons I think so in my article, based on what I’ve seen from Labor recently. If you don’t think it’s worth the money, no worries! I will try and write better articles in future to persuade you :)
Perhaps you should have linked to them then Renai, because the ones you linked to seemed fairly accurate, especially considering how inaccurate our msm usually are.
Sorry, but it seemed like an attack out of nowhere for no real reason. Maybe I’m just touchy ;)
FTTN could be upgraded to FTTP without excessive expense in areas where houses fronted streets. However in areas covered by NBN on HFC upgraded to DOCSIS 3.1, FTTP would involve scrapping the investment on DOCSIS 3.1 without ever getting a return on expenditure, and starting from scratch. Further outside of houses, blocks of units and tower developments may already have HFC installed, but access for installing FTTP might be prohibitively expensive and potentially physically ugly, leading to potentially prolonged disputes with bodies corporate.
I note the rollouts of FTTP have been easy areas.Does anyone know of a block of units where FTTP has been installed?
You’re right, but in my view, over the long term there is no other option. I don’t personally think HFC cable is going to be able to provide for our needs over the next 100 years, and it’s going to have to be upgraded no matter what. That is the sad reality. For 20 years it may be OK … but after that?
Robert the really problem with Turnbull new deal with Telstra. Is that once they start to use some of the HFC they have to maintain all of it for Foxtel.
Such a shame the option to buy individual articles has gone. This is one myself, and no doubt others, would have liked to read and discussed. $129 is hard to justify to read the odd article
I see it as a much needed bulwark against the horrendous Fairfax, News Limited and CommsDay media, which are leading Australia down the garden path and into oblivion. You also pay several hundreds more a year at those sites for a subscription, which is necessary to read a meaningful amount.
I don’t know what to believe anymore. Politics, particularly from the Right, has managed to destroy what would have been the most critical piece of infrastructure Australia needed for the 21st century.
I do know my Internet speeds are among the worst 18% in the world and there is no indication this will be fixed anytime soon.
I noticed that too.
I emailed his office to ask for clarification and to state outright if Labour would (or wouldn’t) return to FTTP.
We’ll see what they say.
I suspect they will fudge for a while until they actually release the policy.
Really? You’re going to back up your predictions from 2 months ago behind a pay wall? On a topic of this particular scale?
Apologies — Delimiter’s premium insight and analysis is now part of our membership solution. Our basic news articles — which is most of our content — remains free :)
Never visited Delimiter for the news, I could do that in other places you know.
I thought I kickstarted a book with the promise that Delimiter will return.
This is more akin to Delimiter 2.0/3.0.
Don’t apologise.
Quality content and journalism costs money to produce.
I don’t know why people expect to get it for free.
It’s simply not possible to do it. What I am hoping for is a reduction in the FTTN footprint, and a corresponding increase in the FTTP.
My prediction is their policy will basically be HFC in HFC areas, FTTP for Greenfields, FTTB for MDU’s and FTTdp for Brownfields using G.Fast.
Which…. is also what I expect the MTM to evolve into sooner or later, aren’t NBN Co investigating FTTdp with G.Fast now?
I prefer to call “fibre TO the node” for what it really is:
copper FROM the node. Or copper FROM a box.
Not a bad way to say it at all :) I may take that up myself :)
Just quietly, none of those articles (and no statement I have seen from Labor) claim they are “returning to a full FTTP NBN model”. Only one is close and that is the heading “NBN will go back to full fibre optic under Labor, says Clare”, which isn’t untrue either, and the clarity lies in the opening statement
“Opposition spokesman on communications Jason Clare has indicated Labor will ramp up the number of homes connected using fibre-optic cabling as part of the $56 billion national broadband network if it wins the next federal election.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/nbn-would-go-back-to-fibre-optic-under-australian-labor-party-says-jason-clare-20151013-gk8fih.html#ixzz3oazTorWg
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So not sure what your article is about? Not sure it’s worth “premium” to find out.
hey mate,
if you read a lot of the articles published yesterday, they directly claim that Clare is planning to dump the FTTN model and return to FTTP. I don’t believe that is the case, and I’ve outlined the reasons I think so in my article, based on what I’ve seen from Labor recently. If you don’t think it’s worth the money, no worries! I will try and write better articles in future to persuade you :)
Perhaps you should have linked to them then Renai, because the ones you linked to seemed fairly accurate, especially considering how inaccurate our msm usually are.
Sorry, but it seemed like an attack out of nowhere for no real reason. Maybe I’m just touchy ;)
FTTN could be upgraded to FTTP without excessive expense in areas where houses fronted streets. However in areas covered by NBN on HFC upgraded to DOCSIS 3.1, FTTP would involve scrapping the investment on DOCSIS 3.1 without ever getting a return on expenditure, and starting from scratch. Further outside of houses, blocks of units and tower developments may already have HFC installed, but access for installing FTTP might be prohibitively expensive and potentially physically ugly, leading to potentially prolonged disputes with bodies corporate.
I note the rollouts of FTTP have been easy areas.Does anyone know of a block of units where FTTP has been installed?
You’re right, but in my view, over the long term there is no other option. I don’t personally think HFC cable is going to be able to provide for our needs over the next 100 years, and it’s going to have to be upgraded no matter what. That is the sad reality. For 20 years it may be OK … but after that?
Robert the really problem with Turnbull new deal with Telstra. Is that once they start to use some of the HFC they have to maintain all of it for Foxtel.
Such a shame the option to buy individual articles has gone. This is one myself, and no doubt others, would have liked to read and discussed. $129 is hard to justify to read the odd article
I see it as a much needed bulwark against the horrendous Fairfax, News Limited and CommsDay media, which are leading Australia down the garden path and into oblivion. You also pay several hundreds more a year at those sites for a subscription, which is necessary to read a meaningful amount.
I don’t know what to believe anymore. Politics, particularly from the Right, has managed to destroy what would have been the most critical piece of infrastructure Australia needed for the 21st century.
I do know my Internet speeds are among the worst 18% in the world and there is no indication this will be fixed anytime soon.
Disgraceful.
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