Labor’s Tasmanian FTTP plans a “sick hoax”, says Liberal MP

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news Tasmanian Liberal MP Brett Whiteley has labelled an election commitment unveiled yesterday by Labor to bring Fibre to the Premises to his electorate in Tasmania’s West Coast as a “sick hoax” that was “uncosted” and “unfunded”.

Residents of areas such as Queenstown in Western Tasmania were previously scheduled to have received a full Fibre to the Premises rollout as part of the previous Labor Government’s original NBN plan.

However, under the Coalition’s revised Multi-Technology Mix approach to the NBN, they will instead only receive satellite broadband, with the NBN company not planning to deploy any fixed broadband infrastructure to some areas of the state, despite the fact that townships such as Queenstown already have ADSL broadband over Telstra’s copper network, and several thousand local residents.

Residents and business groups in the region have bitterly complained about the issue to their local MP, Whitely, demanding better broadband.

Yesterday Labor promised to deliver Fibre to the Premises to three towns in the area — Queenstown, Rosebery and Zeehan — if it won the upcoming Federal Election — as well as fixed wireless to a fourth, Strahan.

However, in a statement, Whiteley — who has previously labelled satellite NBN a “great opportunity” for the region — bit back on Labor’s election commitment.

“Labor’s West Coast NBN announcement is little more than a sick hoax perpetrated on a community that is seeking real solutions not political solutions,” the Liberal MP said.

Whiteley said Labor’s $29m “fibre to the promise” was “uncosted, unfunded”.

“Labor’s unfunded announcement today that it expects NBN to cough up $29 million to pay for its election promises in North West Tasmania is an extraordinary policy failure that should deeply worry the people of the West Coast. This isn’t a policy, it’s a hoax.” Whiteley said.

“NBN’s silence on this policy failure is deafening. It took the NBN senior official I spoke to a few minutes to stop laughing when I informed him of Labor’s so-called policy which was for NBN to fund it.”

However, it appears Whiteley did not pay sufficient levels of attention to the Labor policy to understand what the Opposition was promising his electorate.

In his statement, Whiteley accused Labor of leaving out details of what type of technology it would use in its policy, despite the fact that Labor had stipulated a mix of fixed wireless and FTTP infrastructure.

Secondly, Whiteley also accused Labor of leaving Strahan off the map, when in fact Labor had committed to delivering fixed wireless to the area.

“Labor hasn’t even stated what technology it would use to connect the West Coast, let alone putting a single cent of funding toward the technology change.

Whiteley said that he would present to the Prime Minister — currently in Tasmania — and Premier a fully costed and fully funded plan to change the technology type on the West Coast today

“I have been working on a proposal with both the NBN and the state & federal governments and will present that plan formally to the Prime Minister and Premier,” he said. “There has been a mammoth effort by all relevant groups into making sure this plan is technically possible, fully costed and fully funded.”

Image credit: Office of Brett Whiteley

138 COMMENTS

  1. “sick hoax” that was “uncosted” and “unfunded”.
    25mbps to all premises by 2016, wonder if that could be classed as a sick hoax, uncosted, unfunded..

    • Anytime a Liberal Minister uses the phrases “fully costed” or “fully funded”, you can be sure that a “sick hoax” is involved…

    • It was the LNP that came up with the term “Fraudband” back in 2007. They seem to have developed it into an art form ever since as they attempt to keep this dishonest farce presentable to the uninformed public.

  2. LNP are absolutely busting by the seams with irony.

    Your fucking wretched MTM is the sick hoax.

  3. Labor’s West Coast NBN announcement is little more than a sick hoax perpetrated on a community that is seeking real solutions not political solutions

    Political was when the coalition clowns decided to stop the REAL solution in progress in favor of a MTM patchwork clusterfuck. What is “sick” is coalition clowns thinking they’ll be able to fool anyone expect copper fanboy knuckle draggers with this.

    246 days to go btw.

    • +1

      The Polls are heading in the right direction too, currently Essential is showing 52/48 ALP’s way!

    • Indeed HC…

      It would have been “cheaper and faster” to simply give our old subs a coat of paint and strap on a g.fast turbo, surely…?

      • Hmmm….maybe they could call it the Multi Technology Maxisub? Or would that be too confusing for MSM?

  4. The sick hoax is we can afford a top notch fleet of Submarines for $50 Billion (actually chose the right Sub design too imo which was a nice surprise) but cant afford a top notch FTTP NBN for around the same money!

    The Subs are great for high tech manufacturing in this country but the real NBN would have a far bigger impact on the broader economy over all!

    • Good point Derek. I was watching Turnbull make the announcement the other day and he said something about having “the best” submarines. Apparently we cant just upgrade the ones we already have. Says a lot about a government that insists on the absolute best military hardware (submarines & jets) without compromise but is quite content with mediocrity when it comes to communications infrastructure instead of a more reliable and future proof solution that would benefit every Australian for years to come.

      • Yeah it’s amazing what the Libs will do to save their own asses (Pyne was a gonner had they not been built there)!

      • I thought we were meant to be technologically agnostic – I mean, wouldn’t it have made more sense to have the cheapest subs, constructed as quickly as possible? I hear cardboard may be an option :P

      • i would actually agree we cant just upgrade the ones we already have. you only need to look at the SeaSprite disaster to see how that sort of thinking goes….

        Oh, and FTTN, of course…..

        the point about willingness to pay is another thing altogether. in stark contrast to willing to pay for a decent design, they are willing to pay for a useless, not fit for purpose network at the same or possibly greater price (i am using the56bn figure here; of course there are no guarantees the sub builds wont have a blowout at some stage either!)

        yes; it really does say a lot about this mob. Bring on the election!

      • LoL if you think the JSF contract is a good one. It’s already years behind schedule and will be outclassed by Tu50 (Russian) and the J-20/J-31 (China) variants before it is even ‘commissioned into service’. Biggest waste of money. Even the American senate/congress are giving shit to JSF program now. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s shutdown and they start a new program to supercede the Russian and Chinese designs, which are a class above the JSF specs.

        Which will mean more years of the SuperHornet.

        • Oh yeah I don’t think anyone really thinks the F35 isn’t anything other than total Charlie Foxtrot and flying white elephant.

          I spent a few years in the defense industry working for one of the main partners and even back in 2010 the internal disbelief over what was being delivered was palpable.

          It’s unfortunately what happens when marines are allowed to dictate requirements for an aircraft. Thanks to them the airframe is massively flawed just so their variant can VTOL. Most of the lack of airframe performance can be traced directly back to that single requirement.

        • Seems they had another “slight hiccup” this week that’ll cost $80b-$100b to fix…

    • Derek O,

      $50 Billion (actually chose the right Sub design too imo which was a nice surprise) but cant afford a top notch FTTP NBN for around the same money!

      $74-$84 Billion for FTTP is not ‘around the same money’.

      Have another go.

      • Still failing at comprehension I see Devoid, which part of we aren’t interested in your LibTroll propaganda don’t you understand?

      • Thank you devoid of pointing out the $56B mess we are building now has made FTTP gone from just $44B to $84B

          • So devoid but Fifield said there it no more money in the budget for the $29m for west tax so I am correct your not lol

          • Rizz,

            You deliberately misrepresented what he said, (jeez you have never done that before), this is what he actually said.

            “The significant difference between the Technology Choice option and the promise made by Labor today is that it is unfunded.NBN does not have a spare $29 million available to fund Labor’s empty election promises,” the Minister said.

          • So what your saying reality is that NBN in it $46-$56b price tag can’t fit in $29M so if it can’t fit in $29M then it must be $56B then.

          • The current NBN Co funding estimates in CP 16 doesn’t have to accommodate that $29M.

            That’s a Labor ‘political estimate’ for providing FTTP for three small rural towns in West Tassie , Labor if they win the election have to fund it from their NBN Corporate Plan, not the Coalition.

          • So devoid with the NBN $10B I don’t know how much it cost can’t accomodate 3% of that I don’t know.

          • That’s a Labor ‘political estimate’ for providing FTTP for three small rural towns in West Tassie , Labor if they win the election have to fund it from their NBN Corporate Plan, not the Coalition.

            Maybe they can pull it from the $641m blowout in “copper remediation” that Malcolm didn’t see coming? But then, as satellite wouldn’t be using copper anyway, I guess there could be no saving on that…

          • Or from the additional $1.6B earmarked for Telstra re: HFC?

            Or no longer pay $60K per day for legals?

            Or not pay Ergas and Co $1.5m

            Or… the list goes on

          • You are making two amazing assumptions of what a Labor NBN policy will contain, that is kill FTTN and HFC immediately.

            So far all we have re NBN Labor policy is a pitiful FTTP political announcement covering three small rural towns in West Tasmania.

            I know the poor old 2013 angry FTTP fans with enormous chips on their shoulders spitting personal abuse around for three years are hoping for a ‘FTTP Renaissance’ from Labor but the old rollout fantasy of FTTP to 93% by 2021 isn’t going to happen.

          • Lol devoid we know FTTP won’t NOW be done by thanks to the MTM with you keep referencing will now cost double and ad 8 years to the original FTTP rollout thanks to the CP16 figures of $74-84b and y26-28.

            Who would have though that using existing copper and HFC cost more and take just as long as FTTP. Then blow out the cost again when they will have to do FTTP.

            But then we can’t talk about the Coslition pre election policy of everyone to get 25Mbps THIS YEAR missing the target by 75%. But the only way for you to defend an increase of $27B and 4 years to the rollout I’d that it’s been “REVISED”. Sorry you don’t go from $29B FULLY COSTED PLAN 25Mbps TO ALL BY 2016. To now a (up to) $56B by 2020 with hardly building anything. Anything but a lie to the Australian public

          • You are making two amazing assumptions

            Says you, who…continues the same old despicable lies, contradictions and double standards.

            You’re welcome

          • You are making two amazing assumptions of what a Labor NBN policy will contain, that is kill FTTN and HFC immediately.

            I’ve made no such assumption, unlike you I’m on record stating my opinion that HFC is fine for a medium term transport.

            I’m also of the opinion that Labor should not jump straight back into FttP, but rather halt the failing FttN rollout and go with the superior FttDP option due to it’s cheaper cost and future ease to upgrade.

            Once again, get your facts straight, and maybe form your own opinion…that you could perhaps stick with, rather than your constant flip-flopping like your LPA masters.

          • @Jason K re: https://delimiter.com.au/2016/04/28/labors-tasmanian-fttp-plans-sick-hoax-says-liberal-mp/#li-comment-733271

            I’ve been thinking about that, and I’ve come to the conclusion that Malcolm (and probably Reality and Richard) probably do belive FttN is “the future”.

            Why?

            Well, the last time Malcolm actually had anything to do with “tech stuffz” he was a director of OzEmail (a dialup company). Compared to a 56k modem, an 1.5Mbps FttN network would be “godlike”. Much like how he is a republican that fancies himself as king (I know, it doesn’t make sense, but /shrug), I think he honestly believes that FttP is actually something that a serf….er…sorry…average Australian isn’t “good enough” to access, they can make do with cake…er…sorry…”upto” 12Mbps, possibly, once a day for 5 seconds to meet his “promise”.

            See, the real problem here, is that Australians need to know their place, and that place is to just keep voting in the LPA, regardless of how they get fucked over by the LPA. Triple the deficit? Yeah, no worries, thats “adult government”. Spend more than any ALP government ever? Sure, that’s why they were born to rule, they don’t need to answer to us scum. Kill revenue because you don’t want to piss off your banker mates? Sure, why not, Aussies will eat shit and like it as long a “team blue” flicks em a few bucks in a tax cut.

            The country is going to hell in a handbasket, and liking it, according to the Murdoch press…

          • The country is going to hell in a handbasket, and liking it, according to the Murdoch press…

            Indeed Tinman. It’s clear Australians cant think for themselves anymore, becoming more like America everyday unfortunately. Cant help but vote for a party that is actively working to screw them. When everything goes to shit the MSM always has a boogerman for them to blame and the cycle continues. They actually believed 25mbps for all by the end of 2016 (245 days to go btw) and even with all the fuckups so far that we warned them about they’ll still defend it.

        • Umm alain,

          Please disengage from dickhead mode just for a second (yes it will be hard for you)…

          Ok disengaged…?

          As you waffle and create smokescreens, I’m not sure if you were actually responding to me (you did start with Rizz) but then you do tend to (when trapped by you own contradictory idiocy) do the sock puppet routine.

          So if you are actually responding to me (surprise surprise, if so) please do so… But again disengage dickhead mode so that I know you are actually replying to me and not just being, err, a dickhead.

          Thank you

          You’re welcome.

          • Maybe to fund the 29 million they could sell the 44 million of copper that they purchased, then just replace the aging crap copper with new fibre like they said that they would

      • The $44.3bn original FTTP figure has never been demonstrated to be incorrect, in fact the reviews and audits of the original NBN Co’s financials demonstrated that they were without flaw. The only things that have contradicted that figure have been political statements from politicians picking numbers from thin air and the politically motivated, biassed and rigged reviews conducted by friends of Malcolm and the LNP and Telstra executives. The actual independent reviews conducted by those who need to adhere to professional accounting and ethical standards painted a completely different picture.

          • @Rizz You think he’d check his facts before stuffing his feet in, wouldn’t you?

          • Indeed Tin…

            Alain even admitted just a week or so ago that Quigley’s figures couldn’t be disproved?

            Yet now, the contradiction happens. He want’s the independent reviews to prove him either right or wrong…lol

            I lol at our friends flip-flopping imbecility, because it is laughable, but in a poor, sorry fuck, pitiful sort of way :(

          • Which part of independent (apart from being another political foe) do you nor understand?

            So you can disprove Quigley’s FTTP figures after all then…

            GO

            You’re welcome

          • Oh so no ‘independent’ reviews then, it would be easier just to say so.

            Your ignorance is showing again…

          • Still have no ‘independent’ reviews of the Labor FTTP guesstimate from way back in 2012 then.

            Perhaps we can have a ‘independent’ review of the $29M for FTTP for three small towns in West Tassie, they could use the same set of dice Labor used.

          • Perhaps we can have a ‘independent’ review of the $29M for FTTP for three small towns in West Tassie, they could use the same set of dice Labor used.

            Perhaps we could, thats a great idea!! Though I get a feeling you still wouldn’t agree unless it meets the “x4 for Labor LPA factor”….

  5. My first thought on reading this response by the LNP MP is “You got pwned, mate!”

    His constituents have been complaining bitterly to him about the treatment meted out by his party, and then the opposition comes in and offers a solution, which he claims he was “just about to present to the PM, honest!”

    Er, that’ll be the same PM who caused the problem on the first place, right?

    And if nbn™ don’t have any money to build Labor’s proposal, where’s the money coming from for his proposal?

    It’d be easy to fix.

    Just change nbn™’s Statement of Expectations to direct them to build the most cost-effective infrastructure, rather than the cheapest up-front.

  6. They already have ADSL, the live in communities with housing density similar to many areas in capital cities, yet somehow it will never make economic sense to upgrade that infrastructure. Farcical.
    I wonder what nbn considers to be the incremental cost in moving from satellite to fiber ?

  7. The trouble with Mr Whiteley is that he is a combatant in the style of his idol, Abbott.

    He was rude to residents of the west coast who dared to question him at the community meetings. He accuses people who ask questions of being labor stooges, and claims to not see any need for homes to have fast broadband of any variety, unless they indulge in porn.

    He lost his state seat, was gifted a highly paid seat warming job that he screwed up badly, and was then rewarded with preselection for Braddon, which he won because Braddon is full of sexist greens haters..

  8. Waiting now for mtmco to sign construction contracts with copper installers and prepurchase fttn hardware with expensive exit clauses somehow tied to Tasmania before the election. So that it triples the cost of changing West Tasmania to fttp…

  9. Someone might want to let him in on how much a Satellite costs ;). Connecting people via Satellite is by far the highest per premises cost that the NBN uses.

    Pretty sure 93% fibre (100% TAS) was fully costed with an 7-8% return on said investment. Now if LNP and MTM have gone and wasted a bunch of the invested $$ speculating on Cu that’s not Labors fault.

  10. The only sick joke was Malcolm’s fully costed ready to go MTM plan – we all know how that turned out.

  11. “Labor’s West Coast NBN announcement is little more than a sick hoax perpetrated on a community that is seeking real solutions not political solutions,” the Liberal MP said.

    You are very confused Mr Whiteley. A “sick hoax” is what the LPA pulled after the last election…

  12. Mr Whitely needs to look at the history of his seat. Braddon has quite a history of tipping out its sitting member.

  13. If Labor does win the Tasmania seat, I can’t wait to see MP Brett Whiteley back stab his party at saying he lost because of their shitty plans.

  14. No! 56 Billion dollars for MTM is the actual SICK HOAX!
    screw you and your Fraudband!

        • Hockey is gone and no longer treasurer and a MP, that figure has well and truly been superseded by the CP 16 estimates.

          Please catch up.

          • But devoid Fifield said “NBN does not have a spare AU$29 million available to fund” so it’s not an up to anymore

          • Yes, the LNP doesn’t have a spare $29 million any more.
            Those Chopper rides, RCs, OS Junkets & the DD recall seem to have added to our “Budget Emergency” so we’ll just shove ’em all on satellite & wireless.

          • Interesting perpetual laughable desperation there alain.

            Because you keep calling for the “latest figures to be used” … don’t you?

            So iirc (remembering of course, I’m not a political irrumatio receiver as “some” here, not mentioning any names, obviously are)… but wasn’t Hockey Treasurer post the CP16 announcement? Making Hockey’s, the most recent gauge and by your rational, the latest figure we should use?

            So $70B + the recent additional $1.6B for (FAILED – your word) HFC…

            = $71.6B… oh dear.

            You’re welcome.

          • Rizz,

            I’ll give you a chance to avoid your habitual own goals, because you make it too easy, do your homework on the timing of the announcements.

          • So that’s another alain DERP then?

            Hockey was still Treasurer post CP16…

            So $71.6B for FRAUDBAND it is.

            Thanks for the (dumb) admission

            You’re welcome.

          • I’ll give you a chance to avoid your habitual own goals, because you make it too easy, do your homework on the timing of the announcements.

            I’m curious, would you like to go on record right now as saying there will be no revision of CP16 figures in CP17? And/or that you think the numbers in CP16 are “carved in stone”?

          • He won’t answer that Tin.

            You are dealing with a strange-un here…

            I recall at Delimiter years ago, HC was commenting on the then FTTP speeds. Reality (alain) then piped up, in his usual childish argumentative fashion and said we don’t (or maybe it was won’t) need such speeds.

            So HC asked him a simple, innocuous question (much like your’s above) a question that if alain was here for meaningful, two-way, friendly correspondence and not on a crusade, he would have glady answered…

            That question was… ok alain, what speeds do “you” think we need ?

            Now one would suggest that if someone wanted to reply to a speed comment and say “we don’t need those speeds”, that HC’s question was quite fair and alain should have been able to offer an alternative, since he was disagreeing with HC.

            But do you know what he said?

            He said “I’m not answering you, because that is a loaded question.” (or very similar wording)…

            I kid you not.

            Say no more…

          • Rizz,

            Hockey was still Treasurer post CP16…

            I said ‘do your homework on the timing of the announcements.’ Hockey’s was in July, CP 16 in August and is the latest estimate.

            Three hours of thinking how to tap dance out of that one eh?

            Bad luck.

          • Tinman_au,

            I’m curious, would you like to go on record right now as saying there will be no revision of CP16 figures in CP17?

            Of course there will be changes in figures in the next CP after CP 16 and the one after that…., I have stated that many times before.

            You are going somewhere with this?

          • Lol devoid
            So you won’t have a problem if labor gets in and revised the CP to fit in the $29M for west tas

          • Three hours of thinking how to tap dance out of that one eh?

            No tap dance required, the LPA is shit at figures ;o)

          • You are going somewhere with this?

            Much like CP16, no, I’m not going anywhere with it…

          • WRONG – start again alain. At least you are consistent in this department.

            Firstly stop the tap dancing, remove detour signs, put goal posts back…

            What I asked was (read my lips) “was Hockey still Treasurer post CP16?”

            Yes it was a “loaded question”..ROFL.

            As you obviously are too embarrassed to answer the “loaded question”, the facts clearly demonstrate that Joe was indeed still Treasurer, so the answer to the “loaded question” you so desperately run and hide from is YES

            Obviously this fact and the fact that Hockey admitted he and the government were spending $70B for this FRAUDBAND (their word) and FAILED (your word) HFC , is quite embarrassing if not humiliating for you.

            Well one would assume so, but I guess with all of those embarrassing comments of yours from many years ago which have backfired and you now completely contradict, perhaps it’s just water off a duck’s back.

            I guess the only other rational conclusion is you come here especially to deflect from the (forever embarrassing for MTM) topic and are continually willing to take one for the team, to deflect.

            Good boy.

            You’re welcome.

  15. “I have been working on a proposal with both the NBN and the state & federal governments and will present that plan formally to the Prime Minister and Premier”

    Cool… just like how the now current PM also made certain promises to folks at tazzie “we will honor all contracts”?

    I’m wondering which one is the “sick hoax” here…

    • I say He wasn’t going to announce it until a week after the election like some other mp for a hospital was going to do and if they don’t re elect him it’s there fault

  16. Submarines to the node is what is good for us. If the same amount is available to spend on communications or submarines, where is the best return to the nation?

  17. At $29M to provide FTTP for only 3,625 people it is certainly a very expensive hoax.

    • Still failing to comprehend the concept of national infrastructure eh Devoid. Clearly you are cognitively deficient!

    • Oh I forgot that works out to be about $8,000 per person to provide FTTP, the cost per residence (much less than the population figure) would be much higher of course.

      It makes the Coalition NBN Co CP 16 FTTP brownfields CPP of $4,400 look like a bargain.

      LOL

      • Wow you really are a moron aren’t you devoid!

        Cpp for satellite is $7,900 and you think spending an extra $100 per premises to install FTTP is a bad thing.

        Once again proving you are nothing more than a brain dead LibTroll!

        • Lol Derek he just doesn’t have a clued does he.

          But using his now figures the $56B MTM is $4666 CPP
          Vs labor $44B FTTP $3666

          • Just for you devoid
            Yes it is $56B as Fifield has confirmed it “NBN does not have a spare AU$29 million available to fund”

            And thanks to the MTM we know going back to FTTP because of the $84B so add the $7K thank to the cost blowout and time blowouts of the MTM

          • Devoid is such a sad sad little LibTroll, it is funny when his b.s. Backfires on him tho!

        • Derek O,

          Oh dear and oops, you cannot even get your abuse correct.

          Cpp for satellite is $7,900 and you think spending an extra $100 per premises to install FTTP is a bad thing.

          CPP is cost for premise and yes satellite CPP is $7,900 (I see you know how to use the NBN Co CP 16 when it suits you), the problem is the figure I quoted $8,000 is the cost per person for the three towns targeted.

          The FTTP for the three towns for cost per premise would be much higher, so conservatively halving the population figure gets you to around $16,000 CPP.

          Makes satellite CPP look like a bargain.

          Have another go, using the facts this time.

          • Oh so changing your number eh Devoid, typical LibTroll ducking and weaving with no clue what you are doing!

          • Make up your tiny little mind Devoid, first you say the west Tassie FTTP CPP is $8k and then you change your mind and now it’s magically $16k.

            which is it troll boy?

          • Derek O,

            first you say the west Tassie FTTP CPP is $8k and then you change your mind and now it’s magically $16k.

            I didn’t change my mind, this is what I said.

            that works out to be about $8,000 per person to provide FTTP, the cost per residence (much less than the population figure) would be much higher of course.

            Here.

            https://delimiter.com.au/2016/04/28/labors-tasmanian-fttp-plans-sick-hoax-says-liberal-mp/#li-comment-732993

            The post to which you incorrectly immediately responded to.

            Keep digging that hole.

          • Devoid you are forgetting you have zero credibility here, now go troll whirlpool… Assuming you haven’t been banned already.

          • that works out to be about $8,000 per person to provide FTTP, the cost per residence (much less than the population figure) would be much higher of course.

            Shouldn’t it be $32,000? Thats how the LPA usually does it, times everything “ALP” by 4, right?

    • “At $29M to provide FTTP for only 3,625 people it is certainly a very expensive hoax.”
      And yet still cheaper than the average cost of Fibre on Demand!

          • That’s not what I asked you, What’s the average cost of Technology choice?, that was too hard so you decided to switch and answer something else.

            Also what’s the average cost of FTTP you mentioned?

          • Sure, let us know how your quote went.

            How many quotes have there been? And how many have signed up? Failed policy like more LPA policies? Looks that way…

          • Tinman
            I like this quote from the NBN docu “Individual Premises Switch from few hundred dollars to tens of thousands of dollars”
            As we know 300m is 10k to get a few hundred dollars does the FTTN node have to be at your fence.

          • Tinman_au,

            How many quotes have there been? And how many have signed up

            Sorry you are confusing me with the person in charge of the Technology Choice Department within the NBN Co, ask them.

            But FTTP ain’t cheap, ask Labor, their ‘Technology Choice’, $29M for $3625 people!

            Build time? don’t ask.

          • Sorry you are confusing me with the person in charge of the Technology Choice Department within the NBN Co, ask them.

            I never said you were in charge of it, you were just spruiking it. As a spruiker, I thought you might be a bit more up with what it offered….guess I was wrong….sorry…

          • Wow…and to think that others can do it for $800 per person and very quickly. Makes you wonder about the NBN Co management competency…

            I think whoever hired these guys is either a moron or trying to destroy the NBN.

        • Copy/patse from atop…

          Umm alain,

          Please disengage from dickhead mode just for a second (yes it will be hard for you)…

          Ok disengaged…?

          As you waffle and create smokescreens, I’m not sure if you were actually responding to me (you did start with Rizz) but then you do tend to (when trapped by you own contradictory idiocy) do the sock puppet routine.

          So if you are actually responding to me (surprise surprise, if so) please do so… But again disengage dickhead mode so that I know you are actually replying to me and not just being, err, a dickhead.

          Thank you

          You’re welcome.

        • @Alternate – “What’s the average cost of Technology choice?”

          Can’t be answered since only 3 people/businesses in the last year have had enough money to pay for it…but that should give you a clue.

  18. Why do you guys call him Devoid? I can have a guess of course. To be honest, I really enjoy his and that other Libtroll comments as I love reading Science\Fantasy Fiction. It keeps me coming back to Delimiter, so keep it up Reality dude…. eventually you’ll turn them to the dark side.

    • Devoid as in “devoid of reality”, he likes to think of him self as a neo-liberal crusader when he’s nothing more than a delusion conservative.

  19. +1 Submarine to the Node.
    Just string some copper pairs behind it Chairman Mal, the enemy will be caught up in all that SuperFast copper glory!!!

  20. Continuity with change.

    Sigh counting down the days to the fiasco called Erection 2016.

    Dog to tail, let us go chase that moving tree over there.

  21. The only sick hoax Whiteley is your mob putting 400k of residences on satellites designed for 200k.

    • Incorrect.

      Telecoms research firm Ovum has announced that the NBN Sky Muster satellite broadband service will be a “world leader” in its market.

      In its new report, Satellite Broadband: A Global Comparison (download here in PDF format), Ovum said the $1.8 billion Sky Muster service will “help bridge the digital divide” by bringing fast broadband access to up to 400,000 Australian premises, including in rural, regional and remote areas.

      It is not even anywhere near capacity yet.

      Eventually, more than 200,000 premises in regional Australia will gain access to the Internet at speeds up to 10 times faster than ISS satellite services.

      https://delimiter.com.au/2016/04/29/nbn-sky-muster-broadband-will-world-leading-says-ovum-report/

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