Hall of Shame

[tobes]

Vindication at last!!!1 Complaint about Daily Telegraph coverage of three #NBN stories upheld by Australian Press Council: Document Search - Australian Press Council

[dettol]

Some quick notes about the right wing tripe masquerading as fact in the above links:

Turnbull knows better than the bullshit he put's forth in his press releases. It's just that he's toeing the Party (Abbott) line.

Jones lacks all credibility on anything, this is the 'man' who wants to turn all of the Australian rivers inland.

Other Liberal's views matches Turnbull's press releases.

Anything from News Ltd. is to be treated as wrapping paper for household refuse. Could be used as toilet paper if in an emergency.

What all of them conveniently fail to mention is the $50 Billion p/a economy already attached to the existing network.
This would surely increase with more capacity wouldn't it?

I normally don't waste resources reading all of the -ve crap about the NBN, I have better things to do.

[ApfDaMan]

Abbott attacks NBN cost, uptake, schedule | Latest Business & Australian Stock market News | Perth Now

here we go again...

$250k per connection apparently lol

[dettol]

Abbott is attacking the NBN with all of his religious zeal.

[jonathan2340]

This post is really beneficial for me. I really like it. Keep it up.

[socrates]

Vindication at last!!!

About time we achieved some vindication in the very one-sided battle against the Murdoch media.

The three strikes against the Telegraph were sullenly acknowledged by it as required (on about page 100 in the smallest type possible). So that only leaves about, let me see, 200-300 News Ltd stories about NBN that need to have their bias, deception, selective quoting and blatant misrepresentation corrected. And to be the subject of a public apology from the company and persons responsible.

I'm not holding my breath, though I'm still wondering why they are putting such effort into their FUD campaign.

[deteego]

About time we achieved some vindication in the very one-sided battle against the Murdoch media.

The real reason that people have for complaining about the media do so because they don't agree with whats being said, and not because out of a genuine concern about bias in media

For those that don't know, Australia is actually in the top 10 countries for freedom of press and media, in other words, we have the least biased media out there

Stop crying about the Murdoch media, they operate as a franchise (its not a complete global entity as some believe it to be). If you don't like what is being said about them, then read some other form of media

[socrates]

The real reason that people have for complaining about the media do so because they don't agree with whats being said, and not because out of a genuine concern about bias in media

For those that don't know, Australia is actually in the top 10 countries for freedom of press and media, in other words, we have the least biased media out there

Stop crying about the Murdoch media, they operate as a franchise (its not a complete global entity as some believe it to be). If you don't like what is being said about them, then read some other form of media

There I was, wondering if a spell in the slammer might improve your reasoning capacity, and now you have provided a decisive answer.

The 'real' reason that many people point out the bias and misinformation of a section of the media is because of the bias and misinformation that section of the media chooses to run. Your assertion that this is 'not because out of a genuine concern' (sic) is rubbish.

Britain is also in that list of the top ten countries you mention, so perhaps you think, or at least attempt to maintain, that the people running the News of the World were not providing a new and very original definition of 'press freedom'.

People have every right to complain about Murdoch media if they continue to show the self-serving disregard for facts that has marked their whole attitude to NBN to date. The reasons for such bias may not be immediately self-evident, but might have something to do with the fact that News Limited, having failed to adapt their legacy business models to 21st century market needs, fear the loss of market power when Australian endusers can use a world-class network to access content globally without being limited to local sources.

[HubertCumberdale]

Vindication at last!!!1 Complaint about Daily Telegraph coverage of three #NBN stories upheld by Australian Press Council: Document Search - Australian Press Council

Good one. Seems like I missed all the fun with this saga

Keep them coming, I'll be adding these and a few more I missed over the holiday period in the next few days.

[HubertCumberdale]

The real reason that people have for complaining about the media do so because they don't agree with whats being said, and not because out of a genuine concern about bias in media

Because it is impossible to have genuine concern about bias in media? No the actual real reason why people have been complaining is because of the blatant lack of facts in these articles. That is why they end up here in the Hall of Shame, bias is one thing outright lies and innuendo is another and much more concerning...

For those that don't know, Australia is actually in the top 10 countries for freedom of press and media, in other words, we have the least biased media out there

Which gives them a license to lie? Seriously stop making excuses for them. That's all we need are media apologists.

If you don't like what is being said about them, then read some other form of media

Great. Now stop posting on Delimiter.

[deteego]

Britain is also in that list of the top ten countries you mention, so perhaps you think, or at least attempt to maintain, that the people running the News of the World were not providing a new and very original definition of 'press freedom'.

No its not actually, Britain like America has a significant portion of their media owned by Fox, this is not the case in Australia

We have fairfax, and also government run media, and those 3 have roughly equal penetration into the Australian audience

People have every right to complain about Murdoch media if they continue to show the self-serving disregard for facts that has marked their whole attitude to NBN to date.

That is your opinion, not a fact. You vehemently support the NBN, and hence anything that puts NBN in a negative light is biased and spreading FUD

The reasons for such bias may not be immediately self-evident, but might have something to do with the fact that News Limited, having failed to adapt their legacy business models to 21st century market needs, fear the loss of market power when Australian endusers can use a world-class network to access content globally without being limited to local sources.

I can also come up with conspiracy theories, hell your one doesn't even add up. Rupert Murdoch himself stated that he wanted a high speed network around Australia, which directly correlates to the NBN

That one kinda blew a hole in your thoery

[deteego]

Because it is impossible to have genuine concern about bias in media? No the actual real reason why people have been complaining is because of the blatant lack of facts in these articles. That is why they end up here in the Hall of Shame, bias is one thing outright lies and innuendo is another and much more concerning...

No, it just always happens when a political party under pressure blames the media. You connect the dots

People can claim the media is biased, but it wont get anywhere, at least not in Australia

Which gives them a license to lie? Seriously stop making excuses for them. That's all we need are media apologists.

If thats what you call lying, then the whole media is guilty of it

Great. Now stop posting on Delimiter.

Take your own advice?

[HubertCumberdale]

No, it just always happens when a political party under pressure blames the media.

I'm not a political party. I'm saying their articles contain factual errors. Connect the dots.

People can claim the media is biased, but it wont get anywhere, at least not in Australia

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Take your own advice?

Yes. That is what I'm telling you to do.

[HubertCumberdale]

and hence anything that puts NBN in a negative light is biased and spreading FUD

Point out the articles in this index that are not biased. I said "Feel free to add more" but if you believe any articles have been added to the list erroneously you can point that out too.

[deteego]

I'm not a political party. I'm saying their articles contain factual errors. Connect the dots.

What you call factual errors are misrepresented opinions which differ from your own. There is a difference

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Sorry, is this a joke?

Yes. That is what I'm telling you to do.

Do what? That was your advice, not mine

[HubertCumberdale]

What you call factual errors are misrepresented opinions which differ from your own. There is a difference

Ever heard the saying: "You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts"?

Sorry, is this a joke?

What is the joke? You said: "People can claim the media is biased, but it wont get anywhere, at least not in Australia" At least one person has gotten somewhere so your statement is incorrect.

Do what? That was your advice, not mine

Your advice was: "then read some other form of media". So if you "don't like what is being said about them" on Delimiter then "then read some other form of media".

[deteego]

Ever heard the saying: "You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts"?

I don't adhere to retarded idioms, try harder, here let me provide one

"One mans fact is another mans opinion"

What is the joke? You said: "People can claim the media is biased, but it wont get anywhere, at least not in Australia" At least one person has gotten somewhere so your statement is incorrect.

If you call that getting somewhere then sure, thats like claiming you cured world poverty by giving a single kid 50 dollars

Your advice was: "then read some other form of media". So if you "don't like what is being said about them" on Delimiter then "then read some other form of media".

I was referring to this

Great. Now stop posting on Delimiter.

When I said that you should follow your own advice

[HubertCumberdale]

I don't adhere to retarded idioms, try harder, here let me provide one

"One mans fact is another mans opinion"

So based on this you believe opinions can be a substitute for facts? Interesting.

If you call that getting somewhere then sure

I do but more to the point it's interesting that you believe there is no way to hold the media accountable for any erroneous articles.

I was referring to this

Yes. In other words I am saying you should follow your own advice with that statement.

Serious question do you have a learning disability that prevents you from comprehending language... we had a bit of trouble when you didn’t understand the concept of paraphrasing a while back (or was that alain?) It's not meant as an insult I'd just like to know so I can word things in simpler manner for you.

[deteego]

So based on this you believe opinions can be a substitute for facts? Interesting.

Facts are opinions, they are just opinions that more people agree with. I can say that the sky is red, and for a very small minority of people (colorblind?) that can be fact

We perceive everything through senses, we call opinions facts when a lot of people start sensing the same thing (and then talking about and agreeing about the same thing etc etc).

What you call facts (which are opinions) are not any more factual than what the other people have commented on Delimiter

I do but more to the point it's interesting that you believe there is no way to hold the media accountable for any erroneous articles.

Thats the completely incorrect attitude

Media is always biased, and they are always accountable. When you say the media however, is biased in general, you are implying that basically all of the media in Australia is slanting towards some ideal and there is a single media company which overts too much control over the country.

Yes. In other words I am saying you should follow your own advice with that statement.

Serious question do you have a learning disability that prevents you from comprehending language... we had a bit of trouble when you didn’t understand the concept of paraphrasing a while back (or was that alain?) It's not meant as an insult I'd just like to know so I can word things in simpler manner for you.

I never gave any god damn advice, you said I should stop posting on Delimiter, and I said you should follow your own advice (i.e. you should stop posting on delimiter)

If you are referring to this

"then read some other form of media

You never quoted or even referred to that. You quoted my statement about you taking your own advice saying that I should take my own advice. That post is all the way up here (Hall of Shame) and you never referred to, or quoted, that post, whatsoever until here (http://delimiter.com.au/forum/newrep...wreply&p=92735).

Despise what you think, I am not a god damn psychic, I can't tell if you are referring to something that is many posts behind unless you quote it, because you could be referring to god damn anything (thats why we have quotes)

Maybe you should read your own posts instead of saying other people have issues with language

[HubertCumberdale]

blah blah blah What you call facts (which are opinions) are not any more factual than what the other people have commented on Delimiter

No opinions are facts, and no facts are opinions. Opinions may be backed by facts. You are wrong... that IS a fact.

When you say the media however, is biased in general, you are implying that basically all of the media in Australia is slanting towards some ideal and there is a single media company which overts too much control over the country.

I never said the media is biased in general. I'm saying the articles I have linked in this thread are biased.

I never gave any god damn advice

You said:

If you don't like what is being said about them, then read some other form of media

That is not advice?

Despise what you think, I am not a god damn psychic

I think you are something starting with P but it's not psychic...

Maybe you should read your own posts instead of saying other people have issues with language

Man you really are thick. Maybe you should read my posts correctly, I know what I said seems you don’t. Seriously it's not that hard to comprehend. You say if you don’t like what is being said then "read some other form of media" I'm saying if you don’t like what is being said on Delimiter then stop posting on Delimiter. DO YOU GET IT YET?

[deteego]

No opinions are facts, and no facts are opinions. Opinions may be backed by facts. You are wrong... that IS a fact.

No that is an opinion

There is no difference between an opinion or a fact. A fact is a more established opinion

I never said the media is biased in general. I'm saying the articles I have linked in this thread are biased.

And I was talking to socrates, not you, when I made that comment. He was saying that news corp, in general, was biased. This is what happens when jump into other peoples conversations

That is not advice?

I am saying you should QUOTE THAT STATEMENT SO I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO. Is it REALLY THAT HARD?

There are like 10 or so pieces of "advice" on this forum, so you could have been referring to anything. In fact, that advice wasn't even directed at you, it was directed at socrates, who is the original person that complained about biased media

I think you are something starting with P but it's not psychic...

Yes, I am perfect

Man you really are thick. Maybe you should read my posts correctly, I know what I said seems you don’t. Seriously it's not that hard to comprehend. You say if you don’t like what is being said then "read some other form of media" I'm saying if you don’t like what is being said on Delimiter then stop posting on Delimiter. DO YOU GET IT YET?

That was never my advice, that was yours

You are really having trouble figuring out who said what, aren't you

[HubertCumberdale]

No that is an opinion

Yes that is actually a fact. You are wrong on this issue. FACT.

There is no difference between an opinion or a fact.

You serious?

A fact is a more established opinion

This is what happens when jump into other peoples conversations

It’s a thread started by me and in an open forum. This is not a private conversation.
If you can't deal with the comments, then get out of the kitchen.

I am saying you should QUOTE THAT STATEMENT SO I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO. Is it REALLY THAT HARD?

That is exactly what I did.

That was never my advice, that was yours

It’s basically the same advice, that was the point, why don’t you get this? It really is simple.

You are really having trouble figuring out who said what, aren't you

Let’s see. I know what you said, I know what I replied with after that you were unable to comprehend the conversation. So no.

[HubertCumberdale]

That is your opinion, not a fact.

But it must be a fact because:

There is no difference between an opinion or a fact.

LOL.

[socrates]

But it must be a fact because:

LOL.

Ah, HC, what's the point of trying to conduct a sensible debate with him?

The only thing worse than a common bottom-of-the-garden troll is a political troll. Most of them see nothing, hear nothing, know nothing and will say anything.

And feeding them only seems to encourage them . . .

[deteego]

Yes that is actually a fact. You are wrong on this issue. FACT.

No that is an opinion

(you can go around stating its a fact as much as you want, and I can go around stating its an opinion as much as you want, it won't get anywhere)

It’s a thread started by me and in an open forum. This is not a private conversation.
If you can't deal with the comments, then get out of the kitchen.

I can't deal with people not knowing how to quote

That is exactly what I did.

No you didn't, you never quoted that specific advice of mine until after it was established I had no idea it was referring to

It’s basically the same advice, that was the point, why don’t you get this? It really is simple.

No it is not

Let’s see. I know what you said, I know what I replied with after that you were unable to comprehend the conversation. So no.

I am able to comprehend conversations fine

I am however unable to comprehend whats going on in your head

Hence if you are going to refer to what someone says, you quote them directly. Thats why the quote button is there, its not an ornament.

Quoting take your own advice with "take your own advice" is confusing to say the least

Ah, HC, what's the point of trying to conduct a sensible debate with him?

The only thing worse than a common bottom-of-the-garden troll is a political troll. Most of them see nothing, hear nothing, know nothing and will say anything.

And feeding them only seems to encourage them . . .

Shoo fly

Go continue blaming the media, we will see how far that will get you