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Maybe he could give a pile of it to some crack pot scientist who can cool the earth by seeding clouds or something. Provided of course a Murdoch was a major shareholder in the scheme.
Hmm not sure what you’re saying, but Turnbull is not a climate change denialist ;)
Actions speak louder than words Renai.
I’d somewhat have to agree w/ Renai on this… as much as I have grown to dislike Mr Turnbull climate change policy was the reason he lost the opposition leadership and we got saddled w/ Abbott for a goodwhile..
The man literally fell on his own sword to cross the bench in support of the “Carbon Tax” and got booted out. He may be a very “good” politician in that he’s good w/ playing the spin game but at least he’s not self deluded when it comes to climate politics… well for now anyway
No, not a very good thing indeed, but certainly a step in the right direction. The reality is that Technology innovation in Australia will continue to be hampered by a costly infrastructure failure. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not hating on Turnbull ideologically, I’m not whinging about the NBN in every non-related topic going. But to consider the future productivity of Australia, stimulation of the technology sector and attempts to attract future investment and startup opportunities from overseas without consideration for a fundamental foundation of tech infrastructure and the challenges and opportunities available for operators in Australia is naive and ignorant. As a tech startup, I am highly sensitive to the costs of developing my business, the costs of connectivity to the resources I need, the performance of connections to and from my services for my customers. If my customers can’t establish a sufficiently fast connection to my product I’m am limited by what I can do with it. If I don’t have a fast enough connection to online services I am limited by what services I can use, such as being forced to purchase my own on-premises hardware instead of using cloud services. If the cost per gb of bandwidth is too high I may be forced to move overseas once I get past the lab development phase. It doesn’t matter how much you attempt to sweeten the deal if the core fundamentals don’t stack up.
Remember what all the ‘fibre zealots’ have been saying for years? That a ubiquitous, national fibre network is a fundamental foundation underpinning tech innovation? Yeah, that argument hasn’t changed, and is never going to – without basic foundations, anything you try to build on top is just going to fall in a heap.
So come back and talk to me when you figure out that wrecking the national telecommunications network was a #@&*ing stupid idea, you admit your grave error of judgement and you have a comprehensive plan not only for repairing the damage, but ensuring it remains both independent and revenue positive. All the rest of this? It’s just garnish. Frankly I don’t care if it’s five Michelin star garnish, served up on a shit sandwich it’s still a steaming pile of rancid ass-paste.
Look, it’s good that Turnbull has been listening, but part of what he’s been listing to has been the Labor party, who have been developing their own innovation and startup incubator policies for some time now. Turnbull gets a head start because he’s the one in government, but if you think Labor would have ignored this sector you’re ignoring all the announcements and public photo opportunities they’ve had in this area recently.
I agree that the NBN is still a barnacle around Turnbull’s neck, and the achilles’ heel of today’s announcement. It is a huge hole in the Coalition’s technology policy platform.
But for all that, today’s announcement is still overwhelmingly positive. There is so much in here that Australia’s tech and science sectors have needed for years. It’s incredible to see Turnbull land it all at once.
Agree wholeheartedly, this was very unlikely under Abbott (IMO), so +1 to Turnbull…
But it nonetheless doesn’t let him off the hook in regards to complete NBN/MTM debacle/sell out.
This confirms renal been a Turnbull apologist for a while now, ever since the failed OPEL , when Renai tried to claim turnbull did not tell mistruth about it
The column is called TRUTH, dawg, and I speak it. Turnbull’s NBN policy is a fracking mess, but today’s innovation policy is pure plated gold. Both things are true.
I’m halfway between Delimiter and (Peter Cooper) Business insider article.
Yes they are doing something and some of its really good (in the light how bad things have been prior .. I still think it’ll have positive outcomes) but yet again they aren’t really listening to what the folk (aka the experts) out there innovating want and need from them they’re postulating (or getting yes men answers I fear) and coming up with stuff that looks cool and shiny in a press release.
I am hopeful this is merely a start of a better direction and maybe a bit of a turnaround that’s long overdue. Its not a terrible start by any means as long as its a start and not meant to be the be all and end all (because they have a lot of catching up to do).
Hmmmm Nothing happens until July 2016. The CSIRO had $110 million removed from it’s funding under TA! Careful of the smoke and mirrors! The real winners will be! Infrastructure that could have been used will need to be duplicated with what was originally planned (FTTP). We should be careful that in this case, “Santa is not a fraud”! That taxpayer funded innovation is not a gift/benefit to those who indulge in tax minimisation/avoidance.
Implementation is the key to any possible benefit to all Australians. The concept that the LNP “builds a nation” is well……cynical me!
Hi Renai,
Can I pay you for this article? I can’t afford 129 dollars.
Where is the monthly option like every other publisher in Australia?
Perhaps Renai you could partner somehow with Inkl ? Aussie tech/journalism startup, and leverage their pay per read feature for people to access on a per article basis?
I am not sure we should be cheering quite so loudly when this policy announcement doesn’t quite return the funds previously stripped from the CSIRO in the previous budget (which shut down a stack of important projects and sent many talented scientists overseas).
Yes, it is better than maintaining the status quo or making further cuts – but a clear “we will restore the previous funding taken from the CSIRO” and THEN provide “$20 million to boost CSIRO’s “accelerator program” and THEN provide “a further $75 million for “the CSIRO’s new research unit, Data61”.
Maybe he could give a pile of it to some crack pot scientist who can cool the earth by seeding clouds or something. Provided of course a Murdoch was a major shareholder in the scheme.
Hmm not sure what you’re saying, but Turnbull is not a climate change denialist ;)
Actions speak louder than words Renai.
I’d somewhat have to agree w/ Renai on this… as much as I have grown to dislike Mr Turnbull climate change policy was the reason he lost the opposition leadership and we got saddled w/ Abbott for a goodwhile..
The man literally fell on his own sword to cross the bench in support of the “Carbon Tax” and got booted out. He may be a very “good” politician in that he’s good w/ playing the spin game but at least he’s not self deluded when it comes to climate politics… well for now anyway
for those wondering at the reference ….
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-11-20/turnbull-pumps-10m-into-rainmaking-gamble/731004
No, not a very good thing indeed, but certainly a step in the right direction. The reality is that Technology innovation in Australia will continue to be hampered by a costly infrastructure failure. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not hating on Turnbull ideologically, I’m not whinging about the NBN in every non-related topic going. But to consider the future productivity of Australia, stimulation of the technology sector and attempts to attract future investment and startup opportunities from overseas without consideration for a fundamental foundation of tech infrastructure and the challenges and opportunities available for operators in Australia is naive and ignorant. As a tech startup, I am highly sensitive to the costs of developing my business, the costs of connectivity to the resources I need, the performance of connections to and from my services for my customers. If my customers can’t establish a sufficiently fast connection to my product I’m am limited by what I can do with it. If I don’t have a fast enough connection to online services I am limited by what services I can use, such as being forced to purchase my own on-premises hardware instead of using cloud services. If the cost per gb of bandwidth is too high I may be forced to move overseas once I get past the lab development phase. It doesn’t matter how much you attempt to sweeten the deal if the core fundamentals don’t stack up.
Remember what all the ‘fibre zealots’ have been saying for years? That a ubiquitous, national fibre network is a fundamental foundation underpinning tech innovation? Yeah, that argument hasn’t changed, and is never going to – without basic foundations, anything you try to build on top is just going to fall in a heap.
So come back and talk to me when you figure out that wrecking the national telecommunications network was a #@&*ing stupid idea, you admit your grave error of judgement and you have a comprehensive plan not only for repairing the damage, but ensuring it remains both independent and revenue positive. All the rest of this? It’s just garnish. Frankly I don’t care if it’s five Michelin star garnish, served up on a shit sandwich it’s still a steaming pile of rancid ass-paste.
Look, it’s good that Turnbull has been listening, but part of what he’s been listing to has been the Labor party, who have been developing their own innovation and startup incubator policies for some time now. Turnbull gets a head start because he’s the one in government, but if you think Labor would have ignored this sector you’re ignoring all the announcements and public photo opportunities they’ve had in this area recently.
I agree that the NBN is still a barnacle around Turnbull’s neck, and the achilles’ heel of today’s announcement. It is a huge hole in the Coalition’s technology policy platform.
But for all that, today’s announcement is still overwhelmingly positive. There is so much in here that Australia’s tech and science sectors have needed for years. It’s incredible to see Turnbull land it all at once.
Agree wholeheartedly, this was very unlikely under Abbott (IMO), so +1 to Turnbull…
But it nonetheless doesn’t let him off the hook in regards to complete NBN/MTM debacle/sell out.
This confirms renal been a Turnbull apologist for a while now, ever since the failed OPEL , when Renai tried to claim turnbull did not tell mistruth about it
The column is called TRUTH, dawg, and I speak it. Turnbull’s NBN policy is a fracking mess, but today’s innovation policy is pure plated gold. Both things are true.
I’m halfway between Delimiter and (Peter Cooper) Business insider article.
Yes they are doing something and some of its really good (in the light how bad things have been prior .. I still think it’ll have positive outcomes) but yet again they aren’t really listening to what the folk (aka the experts) out there innovating want and need from them they’re postulating (or getting yes men answers I fear) and coming up with stuff that looks cool and shiny in a press release.
I am hopeful this is merely a start of a better direction and maybe a bit of a turnaround that’s long overdue. Its not a terrible start by any means as long as its a start and not meant to be the be all and end all (because they have a lot of catching up to do).
Hmmmm Nothing happens until July 2016. The CSIRO had $110 million removed from it’s funding under TA! Careful of the smoke and mirrors! The real winners will be! Infrastructure that could have been used will need to be duplicated with what was originally planned (FTTP). We should be careful that in this case, “Santa is not a fraud”! That taxpayer funded innovation is not a gift/benefit to those who indulge in tax minimisation/avoidance.
Implementation is the key to any possible benefit to all Australians. The concept that the LNP “builds a nation” is well……cynical me!
Hi Renai,
Can I pay you for this article? I can’t afford 129 dollars.
Where is the monthly option like every other publisher in Australia?
Perhaps Renai you could partner somehow with Inkl ? Aussie tech/journalism startup, and leverage their pay per read feature for people to access on a per article basis?
I am not sure we should be cheering quite so loudly when this policy announcement doesn’t quite return the funds previously stripped from the CSIRO in the previous budget (which shut down a stack of important projects and sent many talented scientists overseas).
Yes, it is better than maintaining the status quo or making further cuts – but a clear “we will restore the previous funding taken from the CSIRO” and THEN provide “$20 million to boost CSIRO’s “accelerator program” and THEN provide “a further $75 million for “the CSIRO’s new research unit, Data61”.
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