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	<title>Comments on: Please explain prices: Parliament subpoenas Apple, Microsoft, Adobe</title>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-581948</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi. Any follow up story on this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Any follow up story on this?</p>
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		<title>By: David Brooks</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-580735</link>
		<dc:creator>David Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have you tried Jaycar?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you tried Jaycar?</p>
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		<title>By: D Norkon</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-580726</link>
		<dc:creator>D Norkon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 12:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was researching a scanner capable of scanning negatives and slides. I found a HP product, its price on the HP australia site is AUD $252, HP USA is USD $109.  We as a market are being gouged on price. The Australian price is 2.3 times the US price or 230% of the US price. For a product that would come from a factory in China, the price should be very similar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was researching a scanner capable of scanning negatives and slides. I found a HP product, its price on the HP australia site is AUD $252, HP USA is USD $109.  We as a market are being gouged on price. The Australian price is 2.3 times the US price or 230% of the US price. For a product that would come from a factory in China, the price should be very similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Tarcal</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-578005</link>
		<dc:creator>Tarcal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the other Camera &amp; Lens makers. Would appear to be a nice cartel working there]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the other Camera &amp; Lens makers. Would appear to be a nice cartel working there</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy O</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577963</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Point1) 

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Bandwidth costs might be upwards of 0.05c on the price tag. Last time i checked 0.05 doesnt equal 20-50% margins of upwards to $20-40 on a product... $2000 in the case of adobe.

Next time you chime in about bandwidth costs you might want to actually understand content delivery networks and the price of data. Half of the time, the content delivery network isnt even located in australia and then the cost of doing business is transferred through the traceroute to the local ISP.

Even if they are in australia, Go check costs on Australian CDNs, its NOT very high.

(From somebody who owns a few 1TB CDN plans)

Point 2) What has the cost of doing retail got anything to do with digital sales? Oh thats right nothing.

Not sure why you are trolling, and if its ignorance or you work for one of these idiot vendors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point1) </p>
<p>You have no idea what you are talking about.</p>
<p>Bandwidth costs might be upwards of 0.05c on the price tag. Last time i checked 0.05 doesnt equal 20-50% margins of upwards to $20-40 on a product&#8230; $2000 in the case of adobe.</p>
<p>Next time you chime in about bandwidth costs you might want to actually understand content delivery networks and the price of data. Half of the time, the content delivery network isnt even located in australia and then the cost of doing business is transferred through the traceroute to the local ISP.</p>
<p>Even if they are in australia, Go check costs on Australian CDNs, its NOT very high.</p>
<p>(From somebody who owns a few 1TB CDN plans)</p>
<p>Point 2) What has the cost of doing retail got anything to do with digital sales? Oh thats right nothing.</p>
<p>Not sure why you are trolling, and if its ignorance or you work for one of these idiot vendors.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilton</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577825</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 02:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whether its digital or not there are many factors outside the control of some of these vendors that effect pricing.

For digital content, dont under estimate the additional cost of international internet bandwidth to Australia. It is very expensive compared to the cost of local traffic for the US or European customers where the servers are based. That combined with rights holders increased costs in this country means we will always pay more for digital until we have AU/US parity for living standards and minimum wage. And I dont think you want to go there... 

Cost of sale for retail items is also a lot higher here (wages/rent/power/marketing etc) and when you factor in the 1% market volume from Australia its a wonder any companies do business here.

Dont get me wrong, I think there is clearly some price gouging going on, but its not an open/shut case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether its digital or not there are many factors outside the control of some of these vendors that effect pricing.</p>
<p>For digital content, dont under estimate the additional cost of international internet bandwidth to Australia. It is very expensive compared to the cost of local traffic for the US or European customers where the servers are based. That combined with rights holders increased costs in this country means we will always pay more for digital until we have AU/US parity for living standards and minimum wage. And I dont think you want to go there&#8230; </p>
<p>Cost of sale for retail items is also a lot higher here (wages/rent/power/marketing etc) and when you factor in the 1% market volume from Australia its a wonder any companies do business here.</p>
<p>Dont get me wrong, I think there is clearly some price gouging going on, but its not an open/shut case.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577775</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 00:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steam is the most obvious and simplest example as it is a 100% digital product. There is no added cost of doing business. Whether you buy a game from the US, UK, Russia or Australia the servers at Valve must still upload the same content to you. The business model is identical.

$89AU for a latest PC game with an Aussie IP Address
$59US for a latest PC game with a US IP Address.

More than a $30AU difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steam is the most obvious and simplest example as it is a 100% digital product. There is no added cost of doing business. Whether you buy a game from the US, UK, Russia or Australia the servers at Valve must still upload the same content to you. The business model is identical.</p>
<p>$89AU for a latest PC game with an Aussie IP Address<br />
$59US for a latest PC game with a US IP Address.</p>
<p>More than a $30AU difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why stop there - start targetting CANON and NIKON - easily charge 1000&#039;s of dollars more for lenses and camera bodies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why stop there &#8211; start targetting CANON and NIKON &#8211; easily charge 1000&#8242;s of dollars more for lenses and camera bodies.</p>
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		<title>By: mash</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577736</link>
		<dc:creator>mash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Demand whatever you like. How are you going to enforce it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demand whatever you like. How are you going to enforce it?</p>
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		<title>By: mash</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577734</link>
		<dc:creator>mash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Tinman, if I am an australian company exporting to the US please tell me which US laws prevent me from setting whatever price I wish. I would be very interested to know]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tinman, if I am an australian company exporting to the US please tell me which US laws prevent me from setting whatever price I wish. I would be very interested to know</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577721</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now are these question being asked of companies from Australia that sell products outside their home territory &amp; are they also asking how come they give home discounts but not outside of Australia. cause you cant pick on side &amp; ignore the home side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now are these question being asked of companies from Australia that sell products outside their home territory &amp; are they also asking how come they give home discounts but not outside of Australia. cause you cant pick on side &amp; ignore the home side.</p>
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		<title>By: Goddy</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577667</link>
		<dc:creator>Goddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope they get belted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they get belted.</p>
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		<title>By: Bern</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577482</link>
		<dc:creator>Bern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 06:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Books are a classic example of the problem.  I can buy books individually airmailed from Europe for less than a third of the local RRP (which in itself is double the overseas RRP).  I presume that includes a profit margin for the bookseller who posts it to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Books are a classic example of the problem.  I can buy books individually airmailed from Europe for less than a third of the local RRP (which in itself is double the overseas RRP).  I presume that includes a profit margin for the bookseller who posts it to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bern</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577480</link>
		<dc:creator>Bern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 06:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re not demanding that certain companies&#039; prices be a certain amount.

We&#039;re demanding that certain companies allow us to buy their product at the price they deem appropriate for the rest of their customers, who download the product from the same servers we do, get support from the same web forums we do, and get the runaround from the same indian call centres we do.

Why should we pay a 50-150% markup for that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re not demanding that certain companies&#8217; prices be a certain amount.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re demanding that certain companies allow us to buy their product at the price they deem appropriate for the rest of their customers, who download the product from the same servers we do, get support from the same web forums we do, and get the runaround from the same indian call centres we do.</p>
<p>Why should we pay a 50-150% markup for that?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577386</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 02:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Brendan. That&#039;s a fair enough point for many products; but this company insists that all it&#039;s products are made locally. And the quoted price is direct from the companies own AU website, not a third party distributer. Regardless of bulk pricing for US clients, that&#039;s a HUGE markup.

So they&#039;re either liars, or rip off merchants in my book. 

&quot;Whatever the people will pay&quot; seems to be go for so many things sold here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Brendan. That&#8217;s a fair enough point for many products; but this company insists that all it&#8217;s products are made locally. And the quoted price is direct from the companies own AU website, not a third party distributer. Regardless of bulk pricing for US clients, that&#8217;s a HUGE markup.</p>
<p>So they&#8217;re either liars, or rip off merchants in my book. </p>
<p>&#8220;Whatever the people will pay&#8221; seems to be go for so many things sold here.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577382</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 02:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter,

It wouldn&#039;t surprise me if the items sold in the US weren&#039;t manufactured here, but in China, or Korea for the US market; if they are actually made here, then it&#039;s worth remembering that the US market (for example) makes our market look like a small hippy commune verses New York&#039;s economy.

There are orders of magnitude differences. That&#039;ll likely affect production runs and pricing. So will comparative living standards, etc. It&#039;s a bit more complicated than it might first appear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if the items sold in the US weren&#8217;t manufactured here, but in China, or Korea for the US market; if they are actually made here, then it&#8217;s worth remembering that the US market (for example) makes our market look like a small hippy commune verses New York&#8217;s economy.</p>
<p>There are orders of magnitude differences. That&#8217;ll likely affect production runs and pricing. So will comparative living standards, etc. It&#8217;s a bit more complicated than it might first appear.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577380</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 02:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geoblocking, region encoding.

Two key tenants of content, IP and rights holders. That&#039;s the issue. Almost everything else that has disparate pricing his this as a key backstop.

Because where it ceases to exist, pricing tends to be comparative, due to competition forces within the market.

The problem has always been the sales model; the ticket price differences are a &lt;em&gt;symptom&lt;/em&gt;, not a cause. The cause is the restriction of whom can by what, where. Husic sees pricing as a causal factor. It&#039;s not. :)

iTunes pricing is dictated in strong part to rights holder interests. Software owners whom have geo-blocking are simply aping the motion picture and music industry&#039;s modus operandi. If you can restrict content and or constrain supply, you can apply differing access and pricing models.

Husic can&#039;t force Adobe to drop geoblocking any more than you or I can. It&#039;s a decision made by content owners, which affords an increase in profits; unless it&#039;s illegal, they are perfectly entitled to control their IP.

Does that whole thing suck? Sure. But you can&#039;t fix the issue here, because the problem source isn&#039;t here.

Which is why i&#039;ve been bemused by the whole situation. Short of changing trade agreements, both here and off shore, all Husic can do is call to punish local representatives of international corporates; which doesn&#039;t really fix anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoblocking, region encoding.</p>
<p>Two key tenants of content, IP and rights holders. That&#8217;s the issue. Almost everything else that has disparate pricing his this as a key backstop.</p>
<p>Because where it ceases to exist, pricing tends to be comparative, due to competition forces within the market.</p>
<p>The problem has always been the sales model; the ticket price differences are a <em>symptom</em>, not a cause. The cause is the restriction of whom can by what, where. Husic sees pricing as a causal factor. It&#8217;s not. :)</p>
<p>iTunes pricing is dictated in strong part to rights holder interests. Software owners whom have geo-blocking are simply aping the motion picture and music industry&#8217;s modus operandi. If you can restrict content and or constrain supply, you can apply differing access and pricing models.</p>
<p>Husic can&#8217;t force Adobe to drop geoblocking any more than you or I can. It&#8217;s a decision made by content owners, which affords an increase in profits; unless it&#8217;s illegal, they are perfectly entitled to control their IP.</p>
<p>Does that whole thing suck? Sure. But you can&#8217;t fix the issue here, because the problem source isn&#8217;t here.</p>
<p>Which is why i&#8217;ve been bemused by the whole situation. Short of changing trade agreements, both here and off shore, all Husic can do is call to punish local representatives of international corporates; which doesn&#8217;t really fix anything.</p>
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		<title>By: mash</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577379</link>
		<dc:creator>mash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 02:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bingo. Stop buying their products - the only message they will hear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo. Stop buying their products &#8211; the only message they will hear.</p>
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		<title>By: mash</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/11/please-explain-prices-parliament-subpoenas-apple-microsoft-adobe/#comment-577376</link>
		<dc:creator>mash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 02:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Never said we have &quot;pure&quot; capitalism but for us to demand that a foreign companies exports are a certain price is a form of protectionism and violates all free trade agreements from which we benefit greatly. Suggestions that are remotely legal and practical are required.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never said we have &#8220;pure&#8221; capitalism but for us to demand that a foreign companies exports are a certain price is a form of protectionism and violates all free trade agreements from which we benefit greatly. Suggestions that are remotely legal and practical are required.</p>
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		<title>By: Tinman_au</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tinman_au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pure capitalism would also mean grey imports would not be illegal...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pure capitalism would also mean grey imports would not be illegal&#8230;</p>
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