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		<title>By: NPSF3000</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-500089</link>
		<dc:creator>NPSF3000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 10:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;brb, need to bang my head against a desk for a few minutes.&quot;

You do that... I&#039;m off to invest in some storage companies...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;brb, need to bang my head against a desk for a few minutes.&#8221;</p>
<p>You do that&#8230; I&#8217;m off to invest in some storage companies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Knight</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-500083</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 10:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[April Fools Day already?
How this piece of gobsmacking stupidity of a thought bubble made its way into a JPC hearing is beyond me. Did the ASIC Commissioner also ask for a pony and an ice cream too, otherwise he&#039;d take his bat and ball and go home?
We need more adults in charge. Someone give this fool a lollipop and show him the way to the nearest playground...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>April Fools Day already?<br />
How this piece of gobsmacking stupidity of a thought bubble made its way into a JPC hearing is beyond me. Did the ASIC Commissioner also ask for a pony and an ice cream too, otherwise he&#8217;d take his bat and ball and go home?<br />
We need more adults in charge. Someone give this fool a lollipop and show him the way to the nearest playground&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Knight</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-500076</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 10:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s already a crime to withhold encryption keys from law enforcement - see the Crimes Act 1914 Section 3LA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s already a crime to withhold encryption keys from law enforcement &#8211; see the Crimes Act 1914 Section 3LA.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve G</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499764</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 12:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was born and grew up in East Germany, before emigrating to Australia in the mid nineties.

I saw first hand what living under the Stasi was like, and I find this proposal truly scary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born and grew up in East Germany, before emigrating to Australia in the mid nineties.</p>
<p>I saw first hand what living under the Stasi was like, and I find this proposal truly scary.</p>
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		<title>By: Zwan</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499717</link>
		<dc:creator>Zwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 09:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We still have no freedom of speech.

They have been censoring media for years (wasn&#039;t until massive revolts against book censorship anything was really done) we are still at risk of sharing any views that aren&#039;t in a political context (http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1489465.htm, Australian Capital Television Pty Ltd v Commonwealth). And more recently the internet filter proposed. 

Aboriginals were oppressed for years and still are treated as second class citizens. We stole their children in a misguided attempt to assimilate them in our society. Murdered quite a few when we tried to settle here.

I&#039;m not saying we don&#039;t have a great country, but I hardly find stuff like a step backwards, its more like a bad smell that&#039;s been around for years and then finding something dead sitting behind the fridge.

We just need to accept it is a disgusting mess in front of us and just clean it up.

Let us make some progress against misguided law creation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We still have no freedom of speech.</p>
<p>They have been censoring media for years (wasn&#8217;t until massive revolts against book censorship anything was really done) we are still at risk of sharing any views that aren&#8217;t in a political context (<a href="http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1489465.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s1489465.htm</a>, Australian Capital Television Pty Ltd v Commonwealth). And more recently the internet filter proposed. </p>
<p>Aboriginals were oppressed for years and still are treated as second class citizens. We stole their children in a misguided attempt to assimilate them in our society. Murdered quite a few when we tried to settle here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying we don&#8217;t have a great country, but I hardly find stuff like a step backwards, its more like a bad smell that&#8217;s been around for years and then finding something dead sitting behind the fridge.</p>
<p>We just need to accept it is a disgusting mess in front of us and just clean it up.</p>
<p>Let us make some progress against misguided law creation.</p>
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		<title>By: Zwan</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499712</link>
		<dc:creator>Zwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 09:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Got something to hide?&quot;

Go stick your head in a bucket of cold water and wake up. 

There are some many laws that you can be made guilty of breaking if the police cared to do so. 

Not a single person should be held on the assumption that they are guilty until proven innocent, this is exactly what these sorts of proposals do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Got something to hide?&#8221;</p>
<p>Go stick your head in a bucket of cold water and wake up. </p>
<p>There are some many laws that you can be made guilty of breaking if the police cared to do so. </p>
<p>Not a single person should be held on the assumption that they are guilty until proven innocent, this is exactly what these sorts of proposals do.</p>
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		<title>By: Tel</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499705</link>
		<dc:creator>Tel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 08:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you check the US a bit more closely, there wasn&#039;t even really an act. They just did the wiretapping illegally, then issued pardons to all concerned. What they are discovering is that their economy depends on the rule of law, and such acts result in self-inflicted economic vandalism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you check the US a bit more closely, there wasn&#8217;t even really an act. They just did the wiretapping illegally, then issued pardons to all concerned. What they are discovering is that their economy depends on the rule of law, and such acts result in self-inflicted economic vandalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Tel</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499703</link>
		<dc:creator>Tel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 08:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, but the trouble is that the Liberals are essentially a Corporatist party and not much better. John Howard took away a lot of Australian freedom, and it ain&#039;t coming back under any Lib/Lab government in the future.

The Green&#039;s presently stand up for freedom, but would they do that if they actually took power? Unlikely. Power corrupts, always has done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, but the trouble is that the Liberals are essentially a Corporatist party and not much better. John Howard took away a lot of Australian freedom, and it ain&#8217;t coming back under any Lib/Lab government in the future.</p>
<p>The Green&#8217;s presently stand up for freedom, but would they do that if they actually took power? Unlikely. Power corrupts, always has done.</p>
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		<title>By: Tel</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499701</link>
		<dc:creator>Tel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 08:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not quite what you think, they are ktards with guns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite what you think, they are ktards with guns.</p>
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		<title>By: Tel</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499699</link>
		<dc:creator>Tel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 08:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to follow up by the way, it is normal that HTTPS streams use a temporary session key that gets deleted (sent from client to server, encrypted with the server&#039;s public key). If your session key is 40 bits or 56 bits, then it is weak anyow. If it is 128 bits then you might be OK, but typical server 2048 bit RSA key is *probably* breakable by someone who cares enough.

You cannot later on reveal the SSL session key, because you never knew what it was.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to follow up by the way, it is normal that HTTPS streams use a temporary session key that gets deleted (sent from client to server, encrypted with the server&#8217;s public key). If your session key is 40 bits or 56 bits, then it is weak anyow. If it is 128 bits then you might be OK, but typical server 2048 bit RSA key is *probably* breakable by someone who cares enough.</p>
<p>You cannot later on reveal the SSL session key, because you never knew what it was.</p>
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		<title>By: Tel</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499697</link>
		<dc:creator>Tel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 07:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you are smart you regularly delete old keys. Might not save you for prison, but could save you from a midnight flight to some unspecified black site that doesn&#039;t exist in a country that has fairly lax human rights laws... if you know what I mean.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are smart you regularly delete old keys. Might not save you for prison, but could save you from a midnight flight to some unspecified black site that doesn&#8217;t exist in a country that has fairly lax human rights laws&#8230; if you know what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Tel</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499696</link>
		<dc:creator>Tel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 07:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Overseas in the USA? That&#039;s where your data is going anyhow.

Overseas in Japan? Who would just hand it to the USA.

Overseas in China? Russia? e-Stonia?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overseas in the USA? That&#8217;s where your data is going anyhow.</p>
<p>Overseas in Japan? Who would just hand it to the USA.</p>
<p>Overseas in China? Russia? e-Stonia?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen H</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499393</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 04:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bit of scope creep here.

Governments seem to love having fearful citizens, who will permit laws like this to be passed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit of scope creep here.</p>
<p>Governments seem to love having fearful citizens, who will permit laws like this to be passed.</p>
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		<title>By: Hubert Cumberdale</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499387</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubert Cumberdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 04:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Lets look on the bright side, at least with the NBN they can spy on us all quicker.&quot;

You know what else? With the NBN we can defeat and circumvent these things EASIER and quicker too. yeah you really didn&#039;t think that on through did you? durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

+1 NBN.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lets look on the bright side, at least with the NBN they can spy on us all quicker.&#8221;</p>
<p>You know what else? With the NBN we can defeat and circumvent these things EASIER and quicker too. yeah you really didn&#8217;t think that on through did you? durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.</p>
<p>+1 NBN.</p>
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		<title>By: Vitman</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499380</link>
		<dc:creator>Vitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 03:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well put...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tinman_au</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499358</link>
		<dc:creator>Tinman_au</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 02:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You obviously haven&#039;t wondered why the Liberal front bench isn&#039;t all over this....just sayin&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You obviously haven&#8217;t wondered why the Liberal front bench isn&#8217;t all over this&#8230;.just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned Citizen</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499351</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 02:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look up the Patriot Act in the US, this is going down the same path.  The Patriot Act was invisioned after 9/11 because the people were scared and paraniod and thus was dreamt up by the idiot government (George W.) and the media as something to calm the idiot public.  They used all the buzz words of the times &quot;criminals&quot;  &quot;terrorist&quot;  &quot;pedophiles&quot;  in order to scare people who didn&#039;t understand into giving up their freedoms and the people were happy to do so.  

Anytime you see or hear the government  use these words to promote anything, be wary, very wary as to the actual motive behind it.  Then go out and educate everyone as to the true consequences of what will happen once this law gets passed.  

People of Australia, following in the footsteps of the US is NOT a good thing, specially in this case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look up the Patriot Act in the US, this is going down the same path.  The Patriot Act was invisioned after 9/11 because the people were scared and paraniod and thus was dreamt up by the idiot government (George W.) and the media as something to calm the idiot public.  They used all the buzz words of the times &#8220;criminals&#8221;  &#8220;terrorist&#8221;  &#8220;pedophiles&#8221;  in order to scare people who didn&#8217;t understand into giving up their freedoms and the people were happy to do so.  </p>
<p>Anytime you see or hear the government  use these words to promote anything, be wary, very wary as to the actual motive behind it.  Then go out and educate everyone as to the true consequences of what will happen once this law gets passed.  </p>
<p>People of Australia, following in the footsteps of the US is NOT a good thing, specially in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Samuel</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499349</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 02:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is no one has stepped up and &#039;championed&#039; this as legislation, we have only the Federal Attorney-General’s Department to scream at so far, and I want to see the 2 major parties answer properly what they think  of all this, labor or liberal I dont care which, anyone supporting this foolishness will not get my vote, they will go strait to the end of the damn vote form.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is no one has stepped up and &#8216;championed&#8217; this as legislation, we have only the Federal Attorney-General’s Department to scream at so far, and I want to see the 2 major parties answer properly what they think  of all this, labor or liberal I dont care which, anyone supporting this foolishness will not get my vote, they will go strait to the end of the damn vote form.</p>
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		<title>By: Murdoch</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499345</link>
		<dc:creator>Murdoch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very true.

Quite often with these sort of things, the agency wants the increased powers but doesn&#039;t want the responsibility that goes with them.

Let&#039;s see how committed they are to this cause and ask them to store all that data. Watch the backpedalling then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true.</p>
<p>Quite often with these sort of things, the agency wants the increased powers but doesn&#8217;t want the responsibility that goes with them.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see how committed they are to this cause and ask them to store all that data. Watch the backpedalling then.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen hall</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/27/not-just-metadata-asic-wants-content-retained/#comment-499337</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they really want to go ahead with this, they should implement a system whereby all data is copied to ASIC and let them worry about the storage and searching.

See how they go when it&#039;s their problem]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they really want to go ahead with this, they should implement a system whereby all data is copied to ASIC and let them worry about the storage and searching.</p>
<p>See how they go when it&#8217;s their problem</p>
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