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	<title>Comments on: TPG reveals $69.99 unlimited NBN plan</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-607506</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Particularly in northern European countries (Norway/Sweeden) is is very typical all ADSL/fiber plans are unlimited in download capacity. Plans differ only in speed and therefore cost.
In fact I&#039;m surprised just how cheap broadband cost are in Norway.. The biggest ISP is their national phone company Telenor, they might be owned by the government but they are operated like a business and therefore remain competative in the market..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Particularly in northern European countries (Norway/Sweeden) is is very typical all ADSL/fiber plans are unlimited in download capacity. Plans differ only in speed and therefore cost.<br />
In fact I&#8217;m surprised just how cheap broadband cost are in Norway.. The biggest ISP is their national phone company Telenor, they might be owned by the government but they are operated like a business and therefore remain competative in the market..</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-581269</link>
		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Adam

&lt;i&gt;Also unsure but I hear that America Canada etc all plans are unlimited data u pay higher price for the better speeds eg 5mb s 20 month 10mb s 30 month etc all unlimited would be great&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s not true anymore at all. American ISPs are moving to caps because of teh HUGE increase in traffic from things like Netflix.

All Unlimited is not feasible currently. Maybe in  10 or 20 years time when data costs come down substantially, but not now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adam</p>
<p><i>Also unsure but I hear that America Canada etc all plans are unlimited data u pay higher price for the better speeds eg 5mb s 20 month 10mb s 30 month etc all unlimited would be great</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not true anymore at all. American ISPs are moving to caps because of teh HUGE increase in traffic from things like Netflix.</p>
<p>All Unlimited is not feasible currently. Maybe in  10 or 20 years time when data costs come down substantially, but not now.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-580222</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also unsure but I hear that America Canada etc all plans are unlimited data u pay higher price for the better speeds eg 5mb s 20 month 10mb s 30 month etc all unlimited would be great]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also unsure but I hear that America Canada etc all plans are unlimited data u pay higher price for the better speeds eg 5mb s 20 month 10mb s 30 month etc all unlimited would be great</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-580219</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 04:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If tpg can do a 50-80 dollar unlimited NBN with speeds of 25mb I think heaps of people will sign with them myself I down heaps of stuff but my main concern is the ping for gaming it will be better no matter what currently with dodo adsl2+ 60 a month and can only just get 1.9mb on ps3 and ping of 200ms to other side a Australia it&#039;s pathetic tpg NBN here I come]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If tpg can do a 50-80 dollar unlimited NBN with speeds of 25mb I think heaps of people will sign with them myself I down heaps of stuff but my main concern is the ping for gaming it will be better no matter what currently with dodo adsl2+ 60 a month and can only just get 1.9mb on ps3 and ping of 200ms to other side a Australia it&#8217;s pathetic tpg NBN here I come</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-500257</link>
		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 04:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Johnny

Mobile calls are rarely included in any &#039;unlimited&#039; type packs. Mobile calls are expensive to transfer between networks and particularly between landlines and mobile networks. Every time they are transferred, the originating network must pay a fee. This fee is much higher for mobiles then between landline networks (considering Telstra own ALL the copper and therefore are only virtually transferring the call via roughing, not physically on a different network). As Richard has pointed out, the unpopularity of international calls in general makes it a good gimmick to put in. Saying that, there would be many tens of thousands to whom unlimited international calls WOULD be attractive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Johnny</p>
<p>Mobile calls are rarely included in any &#8216;unlimited&#8217; type packs. Mobile calls are expensive to transfer between networks and particularly between landlines and mobile networks. Every time they are transferred, the originating network must pay a fee. This fee is much higher for mobiles then between landline networks (considering Telstra own ALL the copper and therefore are only virtually transferring the call via roughing, not physically on a different network). As Richard has pointed out, the unpopularity of international calls in general makes it a good gimmick to put in. Saying that, there would be many tens of thousands to whom unlimited international calls WOULD be attractive.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Ure</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-500199</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Ure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 02:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;unpopularity&quot; of international calls means eliminating that from the plan is unlikely to reduce the price much. And when you own the pipe, the distance becomes less of an issue. In fact, it helps to find a use for the pipe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;unpopularity&#8221; of international calls means eliminating that from the plan is unlikely to reduce the price much. And when you own the pipe, the distance becomes less of an issue. In fact, it helps to find a use for the pipe.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-500194</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 02:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[why offer unlimited international calls? I prefer unlimited calls to national mobile phones. Is it because of how cheap it is? and nobody wants it? I dont need to call international numbers, if I did I wouldnt need much. It&#039;s like giving a hungry person a handbag when they want food.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why offer unlimited international calls? I prefer unlimited calls to national mobile phones. Is it because of how cheap it is? and nobody wants it? I dont need to call international numbers, if I did I wouldnt need much. It&#8217;s like giving a hungry person a handbag when they want food.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-497180</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 11:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are plenty (many) of us with ADSL2 connections who don&#039;t get anywhere near 12Mbps.

For us, a 12Mbps connection without a cap will be utter bliss.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty (many) of us with ADSL2 connections who don&#8217;t get anywhere near 12Mbps.</p>
<p>For us, a 12Mbps connection without a cap will be utter bliss.</p>
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		<title>By: RoninX3ph</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-496812</link>
		<dc:creator>RoninX3ph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it wrong that the first thing I thought when I saw this was Monty Pythons 4 Yorkshiremen sketch?

&quot;3.5 Mbit? HAH That&#039;s blazing compared to what we have! My Da&#039; had to go out with two cans and a piece of string and scream binary to the bloke down the road to use his internet!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it wrong that the first thing I thought when I saw this was Monty Pythons 4 Yorkshiremen sketch?</p>
<p>&#8220;3.5 Mbit? HAH That&#8217;s blazing compared to what we have! My Da&#8217; had to go out with two cans and a piece of string and scream binary to the bloke down the road to use his internet!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PeterA</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-496795</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 05:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yep, 2 mega&lt;b&gt;bytes&lt;/b&gt; and 90kilo&lt;b&gt;bytes&lt;/b&gt;.

I work in IT, and regularly frown when I see laymen getting it wrong.  

Fair to say I am frowning at myself right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep, 2 mega<b>bytes</b> and 90kilo<b>bytes</b>.</p>
<p>I work in IT, and regularly frown when I see laymen getting it wrong.  </p>
<p>Fair to say I am frowning at myself right now.</p>
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		<title>By: mega</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-496748</link>
		<dc:creator>mega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 01:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I most certainly have shopped around and I&#039;m very happy where we ended up. 

Indeed we don&#039;t use 3TB/month - I never said we did. More like ~200-400gb during peak periods (but that can blow out at times). Unfortunately iinet provides a pretty pathetic off-peak window (2am-8am) so this household would end up coughing up $85/month for their 500gb plan (25/5mbit). On the other hand, TPG gives me as much data as I want, whenever I want for $60/month with roughly the same speed.   

Consistency of speeds? I&#039;ve never noticed a problem. Budget ISP&#039;s have contention issues, regardless of whether you&#039;re connected with Fibre or ADSL. My connection has been great!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I most certainly have shopped around and I&#8217;m very happy where we ended up. </p>
<p>Indeed we don&#8217;t use 3TB/month &#8211; I never said we did. More like ~200-400gb during peak periods (but that can blow out at times). Unfortunately iinet provides a pretty pathetic off-peak window (2am-8am) so this household would end up coughing up $85/month for their 500gb plan (25/5mbit). On the other hand, TPG gives me as much data as I want, whenever I want for $60/month with roughly the same speed.   </p>
<p>Consistency of speeds? I&#8217;ve never noticed a problem. Budget ISP&#8217;s have contention issues, regardless of whether you&#8217;re connected with Fibre or ADSL. My connection has been great!</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-496732</link>
		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 00:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Drew

They&#039;re priced similar, but not the same. Skymesh, one of the best wireless RSP&#039;s, has their 100GB wireless for $5 more than the equivalent 12Mbps fibre plan. Iinet has the same price, but doesn&#039;t have a top level usage plan on wireless. And don&#039;t forget, the bundling of copper landline, via Telstra, will be more expensive than a bundles NBN Uni-V port too.

It would be close to $20 difference once you take all of that into account.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Drew</p>
<p>They&#8217;re priced similar, but not the same. Skymesh, one of the best wireless RSP&#8217;s, has their 100GB wireless for $5 more than the equivalent 12Mbps fibre plan. Iinet has the same price, but doesn&#8217;t have a top level usage plan on wireless. And don&#8217;t forget, the bundling of copper landline, via Telstra, will be more expensive than a bundles NBN Uni-V port too.</p>
<p>It would be close to $20 difference once you take all of that into account.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Ure</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-496728</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Ure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You are correct that (unlike the lucky mega who gets 20 Mbps) 15/16ths of the area reachable by an ADSL2+ DSLAM gets speeds of 12 Mbps or less due to the copper run exceeding the radius of 1 km.&quot;

And MT keeps promising 50 to 80 meg over copper on his FTTN proposal. How does he have the hide to keep saying this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are correct that (unlike the lucky mega who gets 20 Mbps) 15/16ths of the area reachable by an ADSL2+ DSLAM gets speeds of 12 Mbps or less due to the copper run exceeding the radius of 1 km.&#8221;</p>
<p>And MT keeps promising 50 to 80 meg over copper on his FTTN proposal. How does he have the hide to keep saying this?</p>
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		<title>By: NBNAccuracy</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-496724</link>
		<dc:creator>NBNAccuracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Huh?  Who said anything about blowing out of the water?

He said he would like to have two accounts at once.
1. TPG 12Mb unlimited for bulk data transfer that isn&#039;t speed critical.
2. A 100Mb plan for when he needs things fast.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?  Who said anything about blowing out of the water?</p>
<p>He said he would like to have two accounts at once.<br />
1. TPG 12Mb unlimited for bulk data transfer that isn&#8217;t speed critical.<br />
2. A 100Mb plan for when he needs things fast.</p>
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		<title>By: NBNAccuracy</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-496723</link>
		<dc:creator>NBNAccuracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is another factor.  Upload speed.  100Mb plans may be 8 times more download but the upload speed is 40Mb.  These unlimited plans are loved by bit torrent users.  That&#039;s 40 times the uploads...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another factor.  Upload speed.  100Mb plans may be 8 times more download but the upload speed is 40Mb.  These unlimited plans are loved by bit torrent users.  That&#8217;s 40 times the uploads&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-496717</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Woops, it should read

However, I hope that $20 per meg NBN charge is lowered 1st, before the cost of connection is reduced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woops, it should read</p>
<p>However, I hope that $20 per meg NBN charge is lowered 1st, before the cost of connection is reduced.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-496716</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many people choose these plans just to remove the hastle and family disputes that slowing causes. TPG&#039;s ownership of pipe would allow it to service all of Australias overseas Internet needs at a pinch, I doubt they will have a problem supplying customers...

However, I hope that $20 per meg NBN charge comes 1st, before the cost of connection. I like unlimited plans :)  and the peace  they bring to the family. You would be suprised how much stress they reduce.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people choose these plans just to remove the hastle and family disputes that slowing causes. TPG&#8217;s ownership of pipe would allow it to service all of Australias overseas Internet needs at a pinch, I doubt they will have a problem supplying customers&#8230;</p>
<p>However, I hope that $20 per meg NBN charge comes 1st, before the cost of connection. I like unlimited plans :)  and the peace  they bring to the family. You would be suprised how much stress they reduce.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-496694</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think wireless NBN works that way. The whole point of the design (implementing social policy) is that the wholesale price of both wireless and satellite, both restricted technically to 12 Mbps speeds, is the same as fibre at 12 Mbps. So it follows that retailers&#039; 12 Mbps plans will be the same both for fibre and wireless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think wireless NBN works that way. The whole point of the design (implementing social policy) is that the wholesale price of both wireless and satellite, both restricted technically to 12 Mbps speeds, is the same as fibre at 12 Mbps. So it follows that retailers&#8217; 12 Mbps plans will be the same both for fibre and wireless.</p>
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		<title>By: Bj</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-496689</link>
		<dc:creator>Bj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correction for the above. The iinet plan is VoIP and requires a VoIP modem it does not use the ONT to deliver the voice as the TPG plan seems to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction for the above. The iinet plan is VoIP and requires a VoIP modem it does not use the ONT to deliver the voice as the TPG plan seems to.</p>
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		<title>By: Bj</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/09/18/tpg-reveals-69-99-unlimited-nbn-plan/#comment-496688</link>
		<dc:creator>Bj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How does that blow TPG out of the water?

The iinet plan is data only, if you want a fixed land line it is an additional 9.95 per month.
TPG 12/1 unlimited with land line is 69.99
iinet 12/1 100G/100G with land line is 69.90

I know I would prefer to spend the extra 5c per month and never have to worry about peak/offpeak usage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does that blow TPG out of the water?</p>
<p>The iinet plan is data only, if you want a fixed land line it is an additional 9.95 per month.<br />
TPG 12/1 unlimited with land line is 69.99<br />
iinet 12/1 100G/100G with land line is 69.90</p>
<p>I know I would prefer to spend the extra 5c per month and never have to worry about peak/offpeak usage.</p>
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