Comments on: “Extraordinary incompetence”: Turnbull on NBN greenfields

By: Chris

Chris — Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:25:18 +0000

Telstra are providing a ‘fixed’ interim service either via Next G or Satellite, so they are abiding by their service level agreements.

By: himler

himler — Fri, 28 Sep 2012 02:18:17 +0000

I’m impressed, I have to admit. Rarely do I encounter a blog that’s equally educative and entertaining,
and let me tell you, you’ve hit the nail on the head. The issue is something which not enough men and women are speaking intelligently about. I am very happy I found this during my hunt for something relating to this.

By: Alex

Alex — Wed, 19 Sep 2012 02:15:30 +0000

In fact the CEO and management teams of almost all companies have at some stage, after telling shareholders how they missed their profit forecasts miserably, then had the audacity to ask for and accept huge salary increases and adopt easily met incentive targets, which included huge increases to their own personal share holdings in the company.

By: Sydney

Sydney — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:41:47 +0000

LOL, “your pillage may vary” — either that is very witty or a very funny autocorrect error! :-)

By: TechinBris

TechinBris — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 07:25:35 +0000

I couldn’t have put it better myself. But it does raise the question of why a supposedly intelligent man would keep announcing plainly ridiculous contradictory statements.

Maybe he is being tongue in cheek in a way some of the less intelligent in his party cannot figure out and thus cannot hammer him for? If that is the case, I think it’s the funniest thing, politically, this year!

I love a good laugh so I might actually waltz blindly down that path for the giggles I can get. Please don’t burst the bubble Malcolm. :{D

By: Alex

Alex — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 06:32:12 +0000

Sadly Michael, what the problem is, is the incessant bullshit coming from the opposition, their media mates and their mindless supporters, who repeat ad nauseum, the same contradictory lies.

When people come to forums like this with little or no idea, simply to repeat their political master’s baseless negativity, lies and rhetoric in relation to the NBN, they are treated accordingly. Of course once they receive the deserved replies, they then scream personal attack/ad hominem, also claim that NBN criticims aren’t welcome and that NBN critics are being silenced.

Criticism is welcomed Michael and this comment wasn’t aimed at you per se`, but legitimate criticism not FUD. Think CVC, where the pro-NBN input helped change the NBN for the better.

By: Andrew B

Andrew B — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 04:25:41 +0000

I thought the whole issue with Opticomm was that the fibre they installed wasnt compliant with the NBN Co , thus isolating that estate from the rest of the network..

Having the NBN Co as the provider of last resort makes little sense until the area is already NBN enabled / installed.. Otherwise were do the optic fibres run too? do they have to setup hundreds of temporary POI’s for greenfields to enable a telephone to work until the rest of the network comes to an area?

Other than that , I was under the impression that developers could go with any fibre installer they liked , but if you want to connect ot the NBN you had to use a compliant design and pits/pipes …

By: Simon Reidy

Simon Reidy — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 04:06:04 +0000

That about sums it up! :)

By: jasmcd

jasmcd — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 03:52:06 +0000

thats the way i see it. The overall cost of the new home for the want-to-be NBN user was lower because the developer took a shortcut by selecting the installer of last resort… the NBN. They could have paid for the roll out in the green field estate and passed the costs on to the buyers as part of the lan/property prices.

Question: Does anything stop the owners in the greenfield estates from sharing the cost of the installation by collectively engaging a contractor to complete the works and to “split the bill” amongst themselves(admittedly a nice idea in theory but not a solution likely to work in the real world)?

Also, once they have their fiber to the home, how does this help them in areas where the NBN are not already established? Is this the real issue here, that there is no long term incentive (revenue) for Telstra to provide the copper line and no NBN established in these areas to connect the green fields estates to? Will these greenfields need to wait until the roll out reaches their area before they have any access?

By: Alex

Alex — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 03:20:20 +0000

I love the way the nay-sayers have morphed from ‘my taxes’ (income/general taxation) to the borrowing power of Australia (the taxpayer) – gold.

So yes it is debt and no, the NBN is NOT taxpayer funded, as we have been saying all along.

By: Fergus

Fergus — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 03:05:02 +0000

The problem here isn’t the lack of wired broadband – it’s the lack of any wired telecommunications at all.

We still have Universal Service Obligations enshrined in our telecommuncations regulations. How is the obligation to provide equitable access to a standard voice telephony solution being met?

The obligation rests with Telstra – but they are obliged to use the NBN owned infratsucture to deliver the service within the NBNs footprint.

By: SMEMatt

SMEMatt — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 02:27:40 +0000

Big private sector companies do that to.
Just look at our car industry.

By: Tinman_au

Tinman_au — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 02:19:34 +0000

So, to recap for those late to the story, Malcolm Turnbull is upset that the NBNCo he doesn’t want isn’t being rolled out fast enough….

By: Tinman_au

Tinman_au — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 02:17:27 +0000

The _only_ thing the private sector is accountable to is shareholders (and only the major ones), private companies miss deadlines all the time, but they don’t end up in the “bad books” unless they have profit downgrades.

By: Hubert Cumberdale

Hubert Cumberdale — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 02:13:55 +0000

“Instead of engaging in rational debate there is a push to silence dissent.”

There is nothing rational about your debate. The rest of your comment confirms this. I have no interesting in debating with people like you. Find another sucker.

By: Tinman_au

Tinman_au — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 02:10:05 +0000

I believe the numbers your after are here: http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2012/145

By: Tinman_au

Tinman_au — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 01:54:30 +0000

“However as MT raised there are a plethora of companies with experience in laying fibre optic cable (i.e universities and other institutions which already have it) but are not able to take part in the rollout of the NBN. If it is as MT argues and the NBN is behind target then why not use these companies to speed up the rollout in greenfields estates. There is no existing infrastructure so there is no need for the telstra deal to be an issue either.”

Probably because NBNCo has already awarded a plethora of contracts with companies that won by tender (http://delimiter.com.au/2012/06/27/youre-flat-out-wrong-nbn-co-tells-afr/). If a company didn’t win the contract, I guess they didn’t fit the bill for some reason, but I believe they were all open to any company that wanted to compete.

By: Michael Wyres

Michael Wyres — Mon, 17 Sep 2012 00:26:27 +0000

Yup.

The key thing to remember is that the estate developer is pretty limited to exactly when he/she can put the infrastructure in the ground on the timeline of their project.

If NBN Co aren’t ready to connect the area, they can’t connect the estate. When they are ready would be roughly analogous with the POI build schedule.

http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/documents/q-s/rollout-info-pois-july-2012.pdf

By: Ingleburt

Ingleburt — Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:58:00 +0000

There is the practical Malcom who is a logical thinker and then there is the political Malcom who is beholden to his political party and the idiot Abbott. Don’t make the mistake of confusing the two. If he was leading his party things would be a lot different.

By: fourbypete

fourbypete — Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:59:34 +0000

So it’s pretty much what I thought then, they have a system in place.