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	<title>Comments on: Five things to like about the Coalition&#8217;s NBN policy</title>
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		<title>By: Abel Adamski</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490532</link>
		<dc:creator>Abel Adamski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2012 10:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Simon, the Comedy festival is over]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Simon, the Comedy festival is over</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wyres</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490433</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wyres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 23:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Minus the 20 years of lost economic benefit.

Simple maths, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minus the 20 years of lost economic benefit.</p>
<p>Simple maths, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490422</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 22:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[s/reign/rein/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>s/reign/rein/</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490383</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Renai,

Nice article. One issue though, under point 2 the report says &quot;Turnbull is one of the most ‘tech-friendly’ politicians in the Federal Government&quot;. He&#039;s not in the Federal Government, he&#039;s in the Federal Parliament. Government and Parliament are two very different institutions. You might want to edit that.

Cheers,
Michael]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Renai,</p>
<p>Nice article. One issue though, under point 2 the report says &#8220;Turnbull is one of the most ‘tech-friendly’ politicians in the Federal Government&#8221;. He&#8217;s not in the Federal Government, he&#8217;s in the Federal Parliament. Government and Parliament are two very different institutions. You might want to edit that.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Michael</p>
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		<title>By: Guywho'dliketocomment</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490355</link>
		<dc:creator>Guywho'dliketocomment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes that&#039;s true, though the debt burden at that time would be a lot lower by doing it now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes that&#8217;s true, though the debt burden at that time would be a lot lower by doing it now.</p>
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		<title>By: topdon</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490327</link>
		<dc:creator>topdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 05:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The fundamental issue i have with the Coalitions patch-work FTTN is that it will create a situation of &quot;haves&quot; and &quot;have-nots&quot;.  Turnbull has already stated that he would allow the completion of existing contracts that pre-existed under a FTTH NBN.  So, you&#039;ll have one suburb with FTTH with speeds up of 100mbit down, with the next suburb restricted to FTTH to a maximum of 24mbit down.  Not to mention that with fibre, the poential is for far greater speeds than that.  Copper is limited.

Also, what would this situation create in the housing market in FTTH rural/metro areas?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fundamental issue i have with the Coalitions patch-work FTTN is that it will create a situation of &#8220;haves&#8221; and &#8220;have-nots&#8221;.  Turnbull has already stated that he would allow the completion of existing contracts that pre-existed under a FTTH NBN.  So, you&#8217;ll have one suburb with FTTH with speeds up of 100mbit down, with the next suburb restricted to FTTH to a maximum of 24mbit down.  Not to mention that with fibre, the poential is for far greater speeds than that.  Copper is limited.</p>
<p>Also, what would this situation create in the housing market in FTTH rural/metro areas?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490315</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 04:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PLEASE stop referring to the Liberal&#039;s plan as NBN. It&#039;s not the NBN at all, it&#039;s a totally different plan and they don&#039;t even have their own name.

Call it the Coalition&#039;s FTTN plan or something.

You want to win a war against FUD? Stop mixing acronyms that will confuse people in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLEASE stop referring to the Liberal&#8217;s plan as NBN. It&#8217;s not the NBN at all, it&#8217;s a totally different plan and they don&#8217;t even have their own name.</p>
<p>Call it the Coalition&#8217;s FTTN plan or something.</p>
<p>You want to win a war against FUD? Stop mixing acronyms that will confuse people in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wyres</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490306</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wyres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Malcolm says he has such policy detail, but refuses to releas it.  He&#039;s been asked many times about technical details and costings, and flatly ignores the issue.

If he wants people to compare policies, he has to release it, so we can compare apples with apples.

As it stands, he wants us to compares apples with thin air.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm says he has such policy detail, but refuses to releas it.  He&#8217;s been asked many times about technical details and costings, and flatly ignores the issue.</p>
<p>If he wants people to compare policies, he has to release it, so we can compare apples with apples.</p>
<p>As it stands, he wants us to compares apples with thin air.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wyres</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490305</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wyres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[$1000 markup on something you got for nothing is a high price tag - probably sell for $100 and an couple of ciggies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$1000 markup on something you got for nothing is a high price tag &#8211; probably sell for $100 and an couple of ciggies.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wyres</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490303</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wyres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Much of it is sourced from &lt;i&gt;government&lt;/i&gt; debt, and the rest from the debt &lt;i&gt;market&lt;/i&gt;.  That is what I meant, and you know that.  We&#039;ve had this discussion enough times already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of it is sourced from <i>government</i> debt, and the rest from the debt <i>market</i>.  That is what I meant, and you know that.  We&#8217;ve had this discussion enough times already.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490300</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The main problem I would say is finding a buyer. They might be worth $1000, but who&#039;s going to buy a $1000 battery from some guy in a pub?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main problem I would say is finding a buyer. They might be worth $1000, but who&#8217;s going to buy a $1000 battery from some guy in a pub?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490298</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My home phone/adsl went down the last time we had heavy rain and I chatted to a few neighbours in surrounding streets and they all have had problems in the past year with their phone lines, especially when it rains.  This is in Frenchs Forest NSW, not the country.  Even after it was repaired my ADSL speed has dropped to 5Mbps! I would expect reliability issues would remain with FTTN.  It must be costing a fortune sending repair guys to fix dodgy connections throughout the network and I can only see this getting worse as the network ages.  We need FTTP.  Let&#039;s do it right, otherwise money will be wasted patching the copper wires going to homes from the cabinet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My home phone/adsl went down the last time we had heavy rain and I chatted to a few neighbours in surrounding streets and they all have had problems in the past year with their phone lines, especially when it rains.  This is in Frenchs Forest NSW, not the country.  Even after it was repaired my ADSL speed has dropped to 5Mbps! I would expect reliability issues would remain with FTTN.  It must be costing a fortune sending repair guys to fix dodgy connections throughout the network and I can only see this getting worse as the network ages.  We need FTTP.  Let&#8217;s do it right, otherwise money will be wasted patching the copper wires going to homes from the cabinet.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490297</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I can&#039;t get my head around is how the Coalition&#039;s musings about the NBN can be described as a policy.
I always thought a policy was a detailed, preferably fully costed, document, not some broad, undefined, often contradictory series of announcements]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I can&#8217;t get my head around is how the Coalition&#8217;s musings about the NBN can be described as a policy.<br />
I always thought a policy was a detailed, preferably fully costed, document, not some broad, undefined, often contradictory series of announcements</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490295</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 02:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article reminds me of long term relationships.   Ask your partner 5 things they like about you and... it takes them ages to come up with some trivial things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article reminds me of long term relationships.   Ask your partner 5 things they like about you and&#8230; it takes them ages to come up with some trivial things.</p>
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		<title>By: GongGav</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490291</link>
		<dc:creator>GongGav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 01:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where I live they&#039;d sue for damages, claiming that the batteries didnt have the right safety warnings...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where I live they&#8217;d sue for damages, claiming that the batteries didnt have the right safety warnings&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Abel Adamski</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490284</link>
		<dc:creator>Abel Adamski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 00:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tel
Just for interest, where is Malcolm today? - Opening a new Opticom FTTH estate.
The greenfield operstors are just that. They do the cheap and easy to install greenfields estates. They have had the opportunity for over a decade to run FTTH to brownfield or blackspot areas, haven&#039;t seen them installing in my area.

The Greenfield estates are open to all, NBN is just an option in them, up to the developers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tel<br />
Just for interest, where is Malcolm today? &#8211; Opening a new Opticom FTTH estate.<br />
The greenfield operstors are just that. They do the cheap and easy to install greenfields estates. They have had the opportunity for over a decade to run FTTH to brownfield or blackspot areas, haven&#8217;t seen them installing in my area.</p>
<p>The Greenfield estates are open to all, NBN is just an option in them, up to the developers</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490283</link>
		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 00:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Dan

True. Said lowlife would need at least one lowlife friend and a stolen Ute to carry the batteries in these things though. Or said lowlife may be in on Medicare for a bad back :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan</p>
<p>True. Said lowlife would need at least one lowlife friend and a stolen Ute to carry the batteries in these things though. Or said lowlife may be in on Medicare for a bad back :D</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490281</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/27/five-things-to-like-about-the-coalitions-nbn-policy/#comment-490280</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@TEL
&gt;&quot;I think the slow but bulldozer-like deleveraging of debt around the world is eventually going to prove accounting is right and Keynesians wrong.&quot;

Everyone that I know that has wealth, has utilised debt to get there.

The only prerequisite is -  the ability to &#039;serivce&#039; said debt.

Debt is fine if you have an ability to repay. It isn&#039;t rocket science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TEL<br />
&gt;&#8221;I think the slow but bulldozer-like deleveraging of debt around the world is eventually going to prove accounting is right and Keynesians wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>Everyone that I know that has wealth, has utilised debt to get there.</p>
<p>The only prerequisite is &#8211;  the ability to &#8216;serivce&#8217; said debt.</p>
<p>Debt is fine if you have an ability to repay. It isn&#8217;t rocket science.</p>
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		<title>By: Renai LeMay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renai LeMay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll take that as an insult :) you French pig dog!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take that as an insult :) you French pig dog!</p>
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