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	<title>Comments on: Blowouts? No. The NBN is very much on track</title>
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		<title>By: NBNAccuracy</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-496756</link>
		<dc:creator>NBNAccuracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 02:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve heard people post unsubstantiated comments which may or may not be made up to suit their agenda.

Interesting that you mention wastage in infrastructure.  Isn&#039;t that all contracted out?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard people post unsubstantiated comments which may or may not be made up to suit their agenda.</p>
<p>Interesting that you mention wastage in infrastructure.  Isn&#8217;t that all contracted out?</p>
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		<title>By: Ears</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-496742</link>
		<dc:creator>Ears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 00:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve heard first hand accounts of wastage from all levels be it infrastructure to employees of NBN. 

Agreed we need this but outsourcing to a company that have a proven track record in Asia would have been a better move.

We will see...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard first hand accounts of wastage from all levels be it infrastructure to employees of NBN. </p>
<p>Agreed we need this but outsourcing to a company that have a proven track record in Asia would have been a better move.</p>
<p>We will see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Harimau</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-495270</link>
		<dc:creator>Harimau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which ones?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which ones?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Ure</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487896</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Ure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 04:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Digital delivery takes so many costs out of their business: newsagents, printers, paper, distribution. Ubiquitous high bandwidth lets advertisers bring their targeted messages to their audiences in ways not possible with paper and ink. You would think they would be at the sharp end of NBN lobbying. It also deliver COMPETITION the holy grail of LNP thinking. Trouble is when competition comes it can be a case of be careful what you wish for.

Remember how long it took the record companies to realise pretty much the same thing while their business model was being ravaged by pirates. And then it was something from the computer industry itself — iTunes — which delivered salvation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Digital delivery takes so many costs out of their business: newsagents, printers, paper, distribution. Ubiquitous high bandwidth lets advertisers bring their targeted messages to their audiences in ways not possible with paper and ink. You would think they would be at the sharp end of NBN lobbying. It also deliver COMPETITION the holy grail of LNP thinking. Trouble is when competition comes it can be a case of be careful what you wish for.</p>
<p>Remember how long it took the record companies to realise pretty much the same thing while their business model was being ravaged by pirates. And then it was something from the computer industry itself — iTunes — which delivered salvation.</p>
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		<title>By: Markie Linhart</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487879</link>
		<dc:creator>Markie Linhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 03:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[…but once built it&#039;ll be sold off…
But my point about the print media benefiting was more from the aspect of information retrieval and transmission as an aid to productivity. For instance during trials last year in Caroline Springs - a greenfields suburb just out of Melbourne - a graphic designer was able to send ready for press files to his (ink and paper) printer in around 30 minutes which would normally have taken 10 hours.
Now that&#039;s what I would call productivity!
As far as the threat to traditional papers is concerned your point is no longer valid. In the case of the Age all their classified ads - once their bread and butter income - has gone online. 
This being in spite of the fact that they were warned some years prior…who remembers the little ICPOTA character these days?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…but once built it&#8217;ll be sold off…<br />
But my point about the print media benefiting was more from the aspect of information retrieval and transmission as an aid to productivity. For instance during trials last year in Caroline Springs &#8211; a greenfields suburb just out of Melbourne &#8211; a graphic designer was able to send ready for press files to his (ink and paper) printer in around 30 minutes which would normally have taken 10 hours.<br />
Now that&#8217;s what I would call productivity!<br />
As far as the threat to traditional papers is concerned your point is no longer valid. In the case of the Age all their classified ads &#8211; once their bread and butter income &#8211; has gone online.<br />
This being in spite of the fact that they were warned some years prior…who remembers the little ICPOTA character these days?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487859</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed...

Problem is imo Markie, these people are entrenched in the old ways, where they have made their $b&#039;s and just want it to keep ticking over with minimal effort.

The print media (especially with their pay TV arms) as such, find the NBN a threat, rather than like Telstra (of all unlikely candidates) who are finding new ways to profit whilst offloading costly obsolescence!

Then of course we have the political aspect of government built?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed&#8230;</p>
<p>Problem is imo Markie, these people are entrenched in the old ways, where they have made their $b&#8217;s and just want it to keep ticking over with minimal effort.</p>
<p>The print media (especially with their pay TV arms) as such, find the NBN a threat, rather than like Telstra (of all unlikely candidates) who are finding new ways to profit whilst offloading costly obsolescence!</p>
<p>Then of course we have the political aspect of government built?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487853</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thing is, had the new plan had a decrease in CAPEX (so a fully inflated rather than a blow out...LOL) then of course NBNCo would have still been criticsed by the usual suspects for &quot;obviously&#039; either now lying to make the NBN sound better than it actually is, or for supplying incorrect initial projections, therefore casting doubt over their compotency and then of course, they&#039;d be accussed of being unfit to manage such a large project *rolls eyes*

We&#039;ve already seen them hone in on the increase in cost and the hold-ups, whilst bluntly refusing to even factor why these have occured (exactly as predicted they would days before...LOL).. dear oh dear.

So NBNCo really can&#039;t win and never will. 

The same old whingers will always, even if completed, paid for and a complete success, still complain that the money would have been better spent here or there, the speeds aren&#039;t that fast after all, there&#039;s no value and they will of course say it was all a &#039;wasteful white elephant&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is, had the new plan had a decrease in CAPEX (so a fully inflated rather than a blow out&#8230;LOL) then of course NBNCo would have still been criticsed by the usual suspects for &#8220;obviously&#8217; either now lying to make the NBN sound better than it actually is, or for supplying incorrect initial projections, therefore casting doubt over their compotency and then of course, they&#8217;d be accussed of being unfit to manage such a large project *rolls eyes*</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve already seen them hone in on the increase in cost and the hold-ups, whilst bluntly refusing to even factor why these have occured (exactly as predicted they would days before&#8230;LOL).. dear oh dear.</p>
<p>So NBNCo really can&#8217;t win and never will. </p>
<p>The same old whingers will always, even if completed, paid for and a complete success, still complain that the money would have been better spent here or there, the speeds aren&#8217;t that fast after all, there&#8217;s no value and they will of course say it was all a &#8216;wasteful white elephant&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Markie Linhart</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487852</link>
		<dc:creator>Markie Linhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 02:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[…and the irony is that all complainers and misleaders, especially in the 4th Estate, will be among those who stand to benefit most from the productivity gains the NBN will deliver…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…and the irony is that all complainers and misleaders, especially in the 4th Estate, will be among those who stand to benefit most from the productivity gains the NBN will deliver…</p>
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		<title>By: GongGav</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487835</link>
		<dc:creator>GongGav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 01:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These days the term is used to sensationalise just about any increase in cost where politics can play a part.  Its not much different to someone screaming &quot;IT&#039;S GOING TO COST $2 BILLION MORE!!!&quot; trying to scare people with a number they cant really comprehend.

As you say, 3.9% isnt a cost blowout, its an accepted variation on the original estimate.  Its so far within reasonable limits its not funny.  Even a 10% increase in costs isnt a huge deal.  Not when plenty of other projects, both public and private, blowout to the tunr of 100% or more.

The ATO&#039;s change program was originally expected to cost about $400m, yet in the end cost nearly $900m...  Thats what a blowout is refering to, not a paltry 4% increase above original guesses.

If anything, 3.9% should be applauded for being so close.  It reflects the attention put into the original plan, and how much effort went into getting things right before a single step was taken.  It demonstrates that The Plan is based on information that can be relied on, something you cant say about a lot of other projects...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These days the term is used to sensationalise just about any increase in cost where politics can play a part.  Its not much different to someone screaming &#8220;IT&#8217;S GOING TO COST $2 BILLION MORE!!!&#8221; trying to scare people with a number they cant really comprehend.</p>
<p>As you say, 3.9% isnt a cost blowout, its an accepted variation on the original estimate.  Its so far within reasonable limits its not funny.  Even a 10% increase in costs isnt a huge deal.  Not when plenty of other projects, both public and private, blowout to the tunr of 100% or more.</p>
<p>The ATO&#8217;s change program was originally expected to cost about $400m, yet in the end cost nearly $900m&#8230;  Thats what a blowout is refering to, not a paltry 4% increase above original guesses.</p>
<p>If anything, 3.9% should be applauded for being so close.  It reflects the attention put into the original plan, and how much effort went into getting things right before a single step was taken.  It demonstrates that The Plan is based on information that can be relied on, something you cant say about a lot of other projects&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: midspace</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487813</link>
		<dc:creator>midspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking at these for comparison:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blowout

&quot;a bursting of a container (as a tire) by pressure of the contents on a weak spot&quot;
Ignoring the &quot;weak spot&quot;, I don&#039;t think 3.9% increase in pressure would burst a tire.

&quot;an uncontrolled eruption of an oil or gas well&quot;
I don&#039;t see the increase in expenditure on the NBN as &quot;uncontrolled&quot;. This I think this is the most important comparison.

The term &quot;blowout&quot;, really does seems inappropriate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at these for comparison:<br />
<a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blowout" rel="nofollow">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blowout</a></p>
<p>&#8220;a bursting of a container (as a tire) by pressure of the contents on a weak spot&#8221;<br />
Ignoring the &#8220;weak spot&#8221;, I don&#8217;t think 3.9% increase in pressure would burst a tire.</p>
<p>&#8220;an uncontrolled eruption of an oil or gas well&#8221;<br />
I don&#8217;t see the increase in expenditure on the NBN as &#8220;uncontrolled&#8221;. This I think this is the most important comparison.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;blowout&#8221;, really does seems inappropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487687</link>
		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 07:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Midspace

It comes from the term that is used to signify what happens in oil drilling when the cap on the well gives way. Like BP in the Gulf a couple of years ago.

It describes huge amounts of oil spurting out and the complete destruction of any equipment on top of the well. In terms of in finances, It&#039;s used to describe huge cost overruns....I&#039;m not sure about you, but I&#039;m pretty sure 3.9% increase of costs over 10 years couldn&#039;t be considered a blowout.....the term was first used to describe this Corporate Plan by.....drumroll.....The Australian!

*Doesnt even bother looking surprised*

You could see the negative spin forming after the first idiot from the Australian asked his questions at the press conference. He just wouldn&#039;t let it go....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Midspace</p>
<p>It comes from the term that is used to signify what happens in oil drilling when the cap on the well gives way. Like BP in the Gulf a couple of years ago.</p>
<p>It describes huge amounts of oil spurting out and the complete destruction of any equipment on top of the well. In terms of in finances, It&#8217;s used to describe huge cost overruns&#8230;.I&#8217;m not sure about you, but I&#8217;m pretty sure 3.9% increase of costs over 10 years couldn&#8217;t be considered a blowout&#8230;..the term was first used to describe this Corporate Plan by&#8230;..drumroll&#8230;..The Australian!</p>
<p>*Doesnt even bother looking surprised*</p>
<p>You could see the negative spin forming after the first idiot from the Australian asked his questions at the press conference. He just wouldn&#8217;t let it go&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: midspace</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487669</link>
		<dc:creator>midspace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been looking around, but where does the term &quot;blowout&quot; actually come from?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been looking around, but where does the term &#8220;blowout&#8221; actually come from?</p>
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		<title>By: Goresh</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487493</link>
		<dc:creator>Goresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; The NBN itself has admitted they are behind schedule based on their own timetables, and the cost has exceeded the budgeted figure.&quot;

I have been involved in many Telecommunications infrastructure builds over the years and a 10% cost over-run potential is built into most build contracts.
As for a six month time over-run is a project spanning a decade, you are joking right?

Given the unknown factors present at the start of this project, the only word to describe how close practice is to projections trult is amazing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; The NBN itself has admitted they are behind schedule based on their own timetables, and the cost has exceeded the budgeted figure.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have been involved in many Telecommunications infrastructure builds over the years and a 10% cost over-run potential is built into most build contracts.<br />
As for a six month time over-run is a project spanning a decade, you are joking right?</p>
<p>Given the unknown factors present at the start of this project, the only word to describe how close practice is to projections trult is amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: djos</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487455</link>
		<dc:creator>djos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The MSM may be adding their spin to it, but the build-drop is opt-out, getting an NBN service is opt-in - doesn&#039;t get any clearer than that imo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MSM may be adding their spin to it, but the build-drop is opt-out, getting an NBN service is opt-in &#8211; doesn&#8217;t get any clearer than that imo.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Watts</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487450</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think you understand where I am coming from djos. 
The common criticism of &#039;opt-out&#039; is that it limits consumer choice as to whether they have an NBN connection or not. The media in generally is playing on this by describing the build drop process as being &#039;opt-out&#039;. Therefore I am arguing that the build drop process is not opt out as the consumer still has to explicitly subscribe to get the outside box connected to their internal house wiring via an NTD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you understand where I am coming from djos.<br />
The common criticism of &#8216;opt-out&#8217; is that it limits consumer choice as to whether they have an NBN connection or not. The media in generally is playing on this by describing the build drop process as being &#8216;opt-out&#8217;. Therefore I am arguing that the build drop process is not opt out as the consumer still has to explicitly subscribe to get the outside box connected to their internal house wiring via an NTD.</p>
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		<title>By: socrates</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487431</link>
		<dc:creator>socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course their comprehension skills have not improved.

Any group which spouts a politicised position simultaneously claiming that NBN is costing too much, is not needed, is taking too long to build, will be supplanted by new technology &#039;in a few years&#039;, will be aborted as soon as they take power, and is not being rolled out fast enough or widely enough - is lacking in more than a bit of comprehension.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course their comprehension skills have not improved.</p>
<p>Any group which spouts a politicised position simultaneously claiming that NBN is costing too much, is not needed, is taking too long to build, will be supplanted by new technology &#8216;in a few years&#8217;, will be aborted as soon as they take power, and is not being rolled out fast enough or widely enough &#8211; is lacking in more than a bit of comprehension.</p>
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		<title>By: PeterA</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487403</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A journalist AND a comedian!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A journalist AND a comedian!</p>
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		<title>By: djos</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487387</link>
		<dc:creator>djos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 04:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[of course not, but now you are just playing lawyer and for utterly pointless reasons!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course not, but now you are just playing lawyer and for utterly pointless reasons!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Watts</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487386</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 04:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ok, answer me this. Will the household have a working NBN connection (including an NTD) after the build-drop is completed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, answer me this. Will the household have a working NBN connection (including an NTD) after the build-drop is completed?</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/14/blowouts-no-the-nbn-is-very-much-on-track/#comment-487380</link>
		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 04:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The confusion here stems from the fact that connection of the premises is what NBN have changed to opt out. But working connection to the NBN via an RSP is STILL and always has been opt in.

The &#039;build drop&#039; is opt out but the connection to the actual network (receiving and having an NTD connected) is still opt in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The confusion here stems from the fact that connection of the premises is what NBN have changed to opt out. But working connection to the NBN via an RSP is STILL and always has been opt in.</p>
<p>The &#8216;build drop&#8217; is opt out but the connection to the actual network (receiving and having an NTD connected) is still opt in.</p>
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