http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/blogs/gadgets-on-the-go/hands-on-iphone-5-lte-and-hd-voice-20120928-26p0s.html

As stated Wireless has many drawbacks especially where more than 1 conection to a tower is concerned it is all a matter of luck. But if everyone decides to use wireless at the same time. it fails on so many levels.

I know you are trying hard but frankly your arguments are all over the place.

e.g.”The NBN is not by definition good (or bad)….. It may turn out shit. ”

Can’t having both ways. If it can’t be good, then it can’t be shit either.

“And bare facts can be perfectly relevant. It all depends on the fact, it’s accuracy and the person receiving it.”

So, facts are in the eyes of the beholder? Original concept!

“And the big picture is made up of lots of little points. If you get enough of those points wrong, you get a distorted bigger picture.”

Isn’t just what Randall is doing. Getting enough of those little points wrong and therefore distorting the picture. Saying that “Telstra will beat the NBN at their own game” or “In greenfields estates, in my electorate, people are readily signing on, because they get the upload and download speeds. The one technology, fibre to the home, which the NBN has come up with in this case, is going to be gazumped by Telstra” (that’s the context you forgot to mention is Telstra surpassing the NBN)

Seven tech – I see things a little differently from you but I’m sure we’ll both enjoy the NBN.

I think I’ll leave well enough alone and call it a day.

Cheers.

Do you think this will hold the politician accountable to your perception of how you think he is wrong?

I think that Delimiter gets things wrong as well – why aren’t you holding it accountable for its mistakes?

And bare facts can be perfectly relevant. It all depends on the fact, it’s accuracy and the person receiving it.

How did you get that the sun is 50000 larger than Jupiter in size? It’s approximately 1/10th the diameter and 1/1000th the volume. Don’t worry, easy mistake, and astronomy is a hobby of mine. Hey – maybe I’m wrong!

Now, as you say (and I’ve already said) context is very important. So why are you allowing Delimiter to take things out of context but not the politician? Double standards?

So when your done making sure that every word possible from any Liberal politician is false (because it seems you want it so desperately to be) why don’t you approach the situation without your blinkers and realise that he may have a correct point or two (even if most of it were wrong), and that Delimiter has its own set of prejudices that you need to read past.

The NBN is not by definition good (or bad). It is a piece of infrastructure being slowly implemented by our government. Labor did not invent it. Years before it was announced there were lots of tech geeks who thought a nationwide FTTN or FTTP network would be just grand (me being one of them). It may turn out shit. We don’t know yet – we’re not there.

There seems to be an agenda of bagging everyone who even slightly questions the NBN or shows the slightest amount of support to Liberal politicians. It’s not helpful.

In short, let’s stop feeding the troll.

So you’re interested only in UTTER bare facts and NO analysis of how RELEVANT those facts are?

The context of a politicians words are EXACTLY how they mislead. If we can’t look at the context of their words and believe it is incorrect, how can we EVER listen to a politician?

Delimiter analyses context as a matter of course on the NBN, because CONTEXT is how the Coalition mislead ON the NBN. Bare facts are irrelevant. The sun is 50 000 Jupiter’s in size. That is a bare fact. If I’ve asked the question “How big is the sun?” and that is the response, the answer is irrelevant if I don’t have extra information. That is EXACTLY what ius going on in this article.

YOU may only be interested in bare facts. The rest of us analyse to see how much the Coalition are actually BSing about the NBN.

Fact: Telstra are NOT producing a “12Mbps network” to “outer areas”. They are producing a 4G network to SELECT areas, including SOME regional areas, that has the ability, under the right conditions, to provide 12Mbps downlink to approx. 200 customers on a cell. About the same as the NBN’s “fixed” wireless.

Fact: The cost of that “wireless” of Telstra’s is cheaper to BUILD but NOT to use.

THAT my friend, is the importance of context.

The main context, here, is that his is a member of the coalition and he is trying to assist in the coalition’s attempts to misrepresent the NBN.

I don’t believe what you’ve written is an accurate reflection of the situation.

I don’t actually care about the whys and wherefores of the speed comparisons.

My main concern is that Delimiter recognise and respect the context of the politician’s words when making comparisons.

My other concern was that this particular politician learn the difference between megabit and megabyte (or mebibit and mebibyte if that is how an ISP were to count it).

These things matter to me. If they don’t matter to you then there isn’t much more for you to say really.

Call it nit-picking if you will – that’s what Delimiter’s specialty is, so Delimiter can expect it to be applied right back on them.

Now, if you pull your head out of the sand you’ll see I picked on both of them:

“The point I would have picked on is that he says 12 megabits and then 12 megabytes. Megabytes is of course faster by a factor of 8.”

And good day to you as well.

Wait wait. You’re saying Renai is wrong because he CLARIFIED Randall’s comments in context….and that was wrong because he could’ve been referring to a ‘wireless’ that Telstra has which could, but DOESN’T, exist??

Now I KNOW you are nit picking…