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	<title>Comments on: Labor releases new NBN corporate plan</title>
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		<title>By: Abel Adamski</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-486508</link>
		<dc:creator>Abel Adamski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 22:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A Major part of the issue is the comments of supposed experts, possibly fact checking of the comments of these individuals who are actually destroying their credubility not only on this subject, but queries are then in order for all their &quot;expert opinion&quot; may well be in order.
We are not necessarily qualified to analyse his economic arguments, but one can only assume the accuracy and standard is commensurate

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/nbn-is-an-omelette-that-an-incoming-abbott-government-must-unscramble/story-e6frg9k6-1226447885335.

In fasct the obverse is true

The one intermediately following the NBN Corporate plan is a Doozy. Yet they are influential and believed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Major part of the issue is the comments of supposed experts, possibly fact checking of the comments of these individuals who are actually destroying their credubility not only on this subject, but queries are then in order for all their &#8220;expert opinion&#8221; may well be in order.<br />
We are not necessarily qualified to analyse his economic arguments, but one can only assume the accuracy and standard is commensurate</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/nbn-is-an-omelette-that-an-incoming-abbott-government-must-unscramble/story-e6frg9k6-1226447885335" rel="nofollow">http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/nbn-is-an-omelette-that-an-incoming-abbott-government-must-unscramble/story-e6frg9k6-1226447885335</a>.</p>
<p>In fasct the obverse is true</p>
<p>The one intermediately following the NBN Corporate plan is a Doozy. Yet they are influential and believed</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff U</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485907</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 03:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your post is irrelevant.

Your response this morning is responding to my post from yesterday afternoon which was made clearly obsolete after I revised my post yesterday evening (see above):

*
7:19pm:
Once all Optus customers are using fibre and not copper, then there will be:

Higher operating expenses due to more (Optus) customers connected.

(and that extra OpEx will be)

Directly balanced out by increased revenue generated by those extra (Optus) customers.
*

In other words - after all is done and dusted, not early on...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Your response this morning is responding to my post from yesterday afternoon which was made clearly obsolete after I revised my post yesterday evening (see above):</p>
<p>*<br />
7:19pm:<br />
Once all Optus customers are using fibre and not copper, then there will be:</p>
<p>Higher operating expenses due to more (Optus) customers connected.</p>
<p>(and that extra OpEx will be)</p>
<p>Directly balanced out by increased revenue generated by those extra (Optus) customers.<br />
*</p>
<p>In other words &#8211; after all is done and dusted, not early on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hubert Cumberdale</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485848</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubert Cumberdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 02:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;and that it will drop to 40% in 2028.&quot;

False. It&#039;s 36%, and yes it does make a difference. Please learn how to count and read graphs correctly. People will rightly assume you have some kind of irrational bias if you don’t.




&quot;My guess is Telstra, Optus and Vodafone are formulating marking plan to poach many of that 50%&quot;

Great. More people on these wireless plans means less on 12/1mbps NBN. The percentages change and just like that you are proven wrong again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and that it will drop to 40% in 2028.&#8221;</p>
<p>False. It&#8217;s 36%, and yes it does make a difference. Please learn how to count and read graphs correctly. People will rightly assume you have some kind of irrational bias if you don’t.</p>
<p>&#8220;My guess is Telstra, Optus and Vodafone are formulating marking plan to poach many of that 50%&#8221;</p>
<p>Great. More people on these wireless plans means less on 12/1mbps NBN. The percentages change and just like that you are proven wrong again.</p>
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		<title>By: GongGav</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485835</link>
		<dc:creator>GongGav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dont feed the troll.  Its been shown before that he ignores the simple fact that a 4G network, used as he sees it being used, needs a FTTH rollout anyhow.  So in effect he&#039;s endorsing the FTTH project.

I&#039;m starting to think the new term I just typo&#039;d of trollout works in this case.  Lets get that one to stick :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont feed the troll.  Its been shown before that he ignores the simple fact that a 4G network, used as he sees it being used, needs a FTTH rollout anyhow.  So in effect he&#8217;s endorsing the FTTH project.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to think the new term I just typo&#8217;d of trollout works in this case.  Lets get that one to stick :)</p>
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		<title>By: GongGav</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485834</link>
		<dc:creator>GongGav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pretty simple from what I can see.  Go to http://www.nbnco.com.au/rollout/rollout-map.html?icid=pub:hme:rollout:hro:img and pop in your postcode.  If you cant tell from there whether you&#039;re covered and when, then you&#039;re not trying hard enough.

If that link doesnt work, just go to http://www.nbnco.com.au/ and pick the &quot;Are you amongst the first&quot; option.

Really, you dont need static maps when its mapped against Google maps.  Hardly hiding the evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty simple from what I can see.  Go to <a href="http://www.nbnco.com.au/rollout/rollout-map.html?icid=pub:hme:rollout:hro:img" rel="nofollow">http://www.nbnco.com.au/rollout/rollout-map.html?icid=pub:hme:rollout:hro:img</a> and pop in your postcode.  If you cant tell from there whether you&#8217;re covered and when, then you&#8217;re not trying hard enough.</p>
<p>If that link doesnt work, just go to <a href="http://www.nbnco.com.au/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nbnco.com.au/</a> and pick the &#8220;Are you amongst the first&#8221; option.</p>
<p>Really, you dont need static maps when its mapped against Google maps.  Hardly hiding the evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: SMEMatt</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485832</link>
		<dc:creator>SMEMatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about since last election. That would be 0 policies a day since all they seem to produce are catch phrases.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about since last election. That would be 0 policies a day since all they seem to produce are catch phrases.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Haydon</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485820</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Haydon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s ok. Just don&#039;t get an NBN connection and then you don&#039;t have to be part of the US that pays for it. Stick with your overpriced adsl and wireless instead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s ok. Just don&#8217;t get an NBN connection and then you don&#8217;t have to be part of the US that pays for it. Stick with your overpriced adsl and wireless instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Walters</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485819</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Walters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe we should count how many policies he&#039;s created per day since his birth?

That sounds entirely fair!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we should count how many policies he&#8217;s created per day since his birth?</p>
<p>That sounds entirely fair!</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485812</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Over budget (already)&quot;

Really? It looks under budget to me...$30.4 billion is significantly less than $43 billion

&quot;significantly behind schedule on customer sign ups and fibre roll out&quot;

Really? A nine month delay from Telstra has been reduced to only a net 6 month delay...sounds like it&#039;s ahead of schedule.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Over budget (already)&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? It looks under budget to me&#8230;$30.4 billion is significantly less than $43 billion</p>
<p>&#8220;significantly behind schedule on customer sign ups and fibre roll out&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? A nine month delay from Telstra has been reduced to only a net 6 month delay&#8230;sounds like it&#8217;s ahead of schedule.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485811</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Umm, here

http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/help-us-fact-check-conroys-nbn-comments/#commenting]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, here</p>
<p><a href="http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/help-us-fact-check-conroys-nbn-comments/#commenting" rel="nofollow">http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/help-us-fact-check-conroys-nbn-comments/#commenting</a></p>
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		<title>By: The lone gunmen</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485808</link>
		<dc:creator>The lone gunmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geoff U what utter nonsense. As Terry McCann points out:

As at June 30, it had 14,000 (customers), and only 4000 of those were actually connected by the fibre.... Those customers generated just $2 million of revenue over the entirety of the 2011-12 year. 

And to get the $2 million, ‘operating’ the NBN cost $521 million. Over and above, the quite separate build cost…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff U what utter nonsense. As Terry McCann points out:</p>
<p>As at June 30, it had 14,000 (customers), and only 4000 of those were actually connected by the fibre&#8230;. Those customers generated just $2 million of revenue over the entirety of the 2011-12 year. </p>
<p>And to get the $2 million, ‘operating’ the NBN cost $521 million. Over and above, the quite separate build cost…</p>
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		<title>By: The lone gunmen</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485807</link>
		<dc:creator>The lone gunmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So where is the critical Delimiter &quot;analysis&quot;? Over budget (already), down on revenue and significantly behind schedule on customer sign ups and fibre roll out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So where is the critical Delimiter &#8220;analysis&#8221;? Over budget (already), down on revenue and significantly behind schedule on customer sign ups and fibre roll out.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485805</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Failure?

Pray tell us why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Failure?</p>
<p>Pray tell us why?</p>
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		<title>By: Ijustvoveit</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485803</link>
		<dc:creator>Ijustvoveit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 21:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so to sum up, this failure will now be estimated to cost us not 42, but 47 billion dollars

excellent]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so to sum up, this failure will now be estimated to cost us not 42, but 47 billion dollars</p>
<p>excellent</p>
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		<title>By: PeterA</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485801</link>
		<dc:creator>PeterA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 21:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol 4g network with 6 million premises connected to it providing 25 megabits guaranteed bandwidth?

Why you&#039;d almost need a ubiquitous fibre network deployed to everyones homes to support the tower density!  luckily someone is building that for Telstra and Optus.

(psst. Telstras 4g network doesnt break 15 megabits in melbourne CBD at peak times - )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol 4g network with 6 million premises connected to it providing 25 megabits guaranteed bandwidth?</p>
<p>Why you&#8217;d almost need a ubiquitous fibre network deployed to everyones homes to support the tower density!  luckily someone is building that for Telstra and Optus.</p>
<p>(psst. Telstras 4g network doesnt break 15 megabits in melbourne CBD at peak times &#8211; )</p>
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		<title>By: crenn</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485785</link>
		<dc:creator>crenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@seven_tech

It&#039;s no coincidence at all that the NBN passes all premises, after all, the satellite is meant to cover all of Australia.

And I wouldn&#039;t say it&#039;s speculation, just something I noticed when reading the announcement today. I suspect that the cost of the entire roll out is near what they say it should be. Another 9 years is a long time relatively.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@seven_tech</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no coincidence at all that the NBN passes all premises, after all, the satellite is meant to cover all of Australia.</p>
<p>And I wouldn&#8217;t say it&#8217;s speculation, just something I noticed when reading the announcement today. I suspect that the cost of the entire roll out is near what they say it should be. Another 9 years is a long time relatively.</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485763</link>
		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Matthew

And?....

You don&#039;t actually say where you&#039;re going with that. If you mean a substantial portion will go on 4G only?....yes, well we&#039;ve discussed this before and it is rather fruitless to give you facts and figures that refute that likelihood when I&#039;ve done it several times before and you pay no attention....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matthew</p>
<p>And?&#8230;.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t actually say where you&#8217;re going with that. If you mean a substantial portion will go on 4G only?&#8230;.yes, well we&#8217;ve discussed this before and it is rather fruitless to give you facts and figures that refute that likelihood when I&#8217;ve done it several times before and you pay no attention&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485762</link>
		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Guest

Yes, because this is what is happening to everyone in the rollout....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Guest</p>
<p>Yes, because this is what is happening to everyone in the rollout&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485761</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NBNCo are still predicting that 50% of premises passed by fibre will be connecting at 12/1Mbps for the next few years and that it will drop to 40% in 2028.

My guess is Telstra, Optus and Vodafone are formulating marking plan to poach many of that 50% as customers for a much faster 4G network.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NBNCo are still predicting that 50% of premises passed by fibre will be connecting at 12/1Mbps for the next few years and that it will drop to 40% in 2028.</p>
<p>My guess is Telstra, Optus and Vodafone are formulating marking plan to poach many of that 50% as customers for a much faster 4G network.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/08/labor-releases-new-nbn-corporate-plan/#comment-485760</link>
		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[on track with its rollout? what a joke. their map release date had 4 maps to be released for my area in june. it released 3. 2months later and lets check the map rollout excel spreadsheet to see if its been updated......oh wait. its been deleted. they got behind and started deleting the evidence that they are behind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on track with its rollout? what a joke. their map release date had 4 maps to be released for my area in june. it released 3. 2months later and lets check the map rollout excel spreadsheet to see if its been updated&#8230;&#8230;oh wait. its been deleted. they got behind and started deleting the evidence that they are behind.</p>
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