But I don’t really know any of this accounting stuff, this is from hoovering information (possibly badly!)

No he has sign saying: “no”. (saves his voice you see – for when he needs to say “no” out-loud for those on the radio)

I don’t normally resort to this kind of thing but your argument drove me to it: LOL. (it’s about what your argument is worth)

Malcolm, please quit the Libs and lead Labor to the next election?

So do we accept because he’s rich he is knowledgable?

In that case Paris H for PM!

Now back to the real issues… *sigh*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble

Unfortunately what most NBN critics seems to do, instead of looking at the entire picture, document, article or whatever and discussing the entire topic, is to find small bits to suit/criticise (sometimes way out of context) and ignore the more pertinent parts… I think that’s what’s happening here.

For example if NBNCo were to say something like… “Due to the longer than expected Telstra negotiations, political hurdles, contractual issues and many other reasons beyond our control, we are currently somewhat behind our Corp Plan forecast numbers, in relation to people actually using an NBN service. However having said that, as we were unable to use Telstra ducts, we have instead been rolling out in other areas and are ahead in other aspects of the roll out. Being so we anticipate the roll out will still be completed on schedule and on budget.

NBN critics take – NBNCo even admitted they are way behind schedule in relation to their own white elephant’s forecasts.

Much like quoting figures based upon 38% 100mbps usage, inferring they alone are the only better than ADSL figures and ignoring other less than 100mbps (25 and 50) but still better than ADSL2 NBN plans in-between.

This is disingenuous and not rationally evidence based correspondence.

And lets face it people currently on a 20 or 24mbps ADSL plan who only get 6 or 8mbps, may even be happy to go to a 12Mbps NBN plan, just for now, up their speed and also save money…

But even though better for such a consumer, of course, the critics would never even consider, let alone mention the possibility of such a positive NBN scenario.

What we need is factual info from both pro/anti-NBN people, so as to all have a clear indication and form a rational opinion… but unfortunately it will never be, due to (as I have encountered) people’s blind political brainwashing which dictates spin and selective quoting to be more important than fact.

http://delimiter.com.au/2012/05/29/higher-100mbps-uptake-will-spur-nbn-price-cuts/

That 38% that the AFR report mentioned WAS from real world uptake. The Telsyte report only confirmed it. That’s 2 entirely separate pieces of information- one actual data and one a well know analyst doing a survey- telling us Australians are WANTING AND buying higher speeds.

I’m starting to wonder whether you will actually believe anything other than what you want to believe according to what you’ve read.

The Telsyte survey is asking people what they want (or at least, that’s what the Delimiter article says – I’d like to see the actual report). The AFR article is not showing what people want, it’s showing what they’re actually willing to spend their money on.

LOL.

As opposed to a patchwork of networks some with fibre, some with ADSL2+ and some with FTTN.

Clearly the only plan the NBN Co should offer is 25Mbps otherwise heaven forbid some Australians might want to purchase premium 100Mbps+ services with lots of data and double the monthly revenue.

Oh an exactly how much cheaper for consumers is that FTTN plan going to be Malcom?

The only divide I’m seeing is the massive gulf between an actual rollout that is happening NOW, and some vague policy plan that hasn’t got over the first hurdle of planning.

Say what? Labor is constantly using non-tangible “social benefits” to explain the/a purpose of the NBN. The only reason they justify it as “commercially viable” is to shut the Liberals up, and the others who claim it is a waste of money.

Besides, if it can be shown to be “commercially viable” using standard accounting practices, is it even allowed to be put on the budget? It is no longer classed as an expense I presume, until such time as there is sufficient evidence to indicate otherwise. To lie about such things would have the Government and NBNco run afoul of ASIC.

We will have a second rate degenerating over the years to a relatively primitive National Communications platform that will only ever be upgraded in a limited piecemeal fashion.
Oh well deja vu , the historical performance of the Coalition holds to form

You seem to be LOOKING for reasons to criticise the NBN. Or is that just the way I’m reading your responses?

Much of this has been covered umpteen times here at Delimiter and elsewhere over the past 2-3 years. Perhaps some questions?

http://www.afr.com/p/national/melbourne_cafe_patrons_lap_up_free_Bo543c9qrd9IZpuhcvVuQJ

Of those that had, 38 per cent had picked the highest speed package of up to 100 megabits per second.

That’s not fair. 100Mbps is WELL over ADSL. That 38% doesn’t take into account the 50/20 plan OR, as most people who get ADSL2 can’t get anywhere NEAR 24Mbps, the 25/5 plan.

Again, this is the sort of disingenuity the press pedals. You read that as ONLY 38% uptake for higher speeds. But there are 2 tiers BELOW that that are STILL higher than ADSL. As Delimiter’s article showed, 85% want HIGHER than ADSL can offer them today.