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	<title>Comments on: Cheaper hardware, software and digital downloads? Here&#8217;s how.</title>
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		<title>By: consumer product</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/03/cheaper-hardware-software-and-digital-downloads-heres-how/#comment-487877</link>
		<dc:creator>consumer product</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 03:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many thanks for the enlightening posting. What are your chosen consumer review internet sites?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for the enlightening posting. What are your chosen consumer review internet sites?</p>
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		<title>By: Mikhail Bulgakov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikhail Bulgakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Free Trade Agreements only work to the benefit of one country, America. America,  the greatest threat to world harmony, constantly meddling in the politics and economics of every nation, for it&#039;s own benefit. It sickens me how our sycophant politicians do anything the US tells them to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free Trade Agreements only work to the benefit of one country, America. America,  the greatest threat to world harmony, constantly meddling in the politics and economics of every nation, for it&#8217;s own benefit. It sickens me how our sycophant politicians do anything the US tells them to.</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/03/cheaper-hardware-software-and-digital-downloads-heres-how/#comment-485493</link>
		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@SMEMatt

We have FTA&#039;s with the US......it hasn&#039;t worked.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@SMEMatt</p>
<p>We have FTA&#8217;s with the US&#8230;&#8230;it hasn&#8217;t worked&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: SMEMatt</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/03/cheaper-hardware-software-and-digital-downloads-heres-how/#comment-485492</link>
		<dc:creator>SMEMatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The other solution is in the free trade agreements. Free trade agreements seem to be about the removing of import restrictions when they should also be about the removal export restriction. if you can stop manufactures putting export restriction on distris and resellers in markets we have Free Trade agreements with the pricing discrepancy will largely disappear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other solution is in the free trade agreements. Free trade agreements seem to be about the removing of import restrictions when they should also be about the removal export restriction. if you can stop manufactures putting export restriction on distris and resellers in markets we have Free Trade agreements with the pricing discrepancy will largely disappear.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/03/cheaper-hardware-software-and-digital-downloads-heres-how/#comment-485296</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 08:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steam tends to have most prices the same in Australia as in the US, but there are occasional (very big and obvious) exceptions.

Unfortunately, as long as publishers can tell distributors how much to charge and where they can sell Australians will continue to be ripped off.

One solution may be a government law allowing purchase from anywhere in the world, and if the product is (also) sold here then the imported item must be supported.  That would leave companies supporting products that were tweaked for dozens of markets - maybe it&#039;d wake them up.  The other alternative is, of course, wide-spread concealing of your location via IP - but we again need laws confirming our right to use the purchased product.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steam tends to have most prices the same in Australia as in the US, but there are occasional (very big and obvious) exceptions.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, as long as publishers can tell distributors how much to charge and where they can sell Australians will continue to be ripped off.</p>
<p>One solution may be a government law allowing purchase from anywhere in the world, and if the product is (also) sold here then the imported item must be supported.  That would leave companies supporting products that were tweaked for dozens of markets &#8211; maybe it&#8217;d wake them up.  The other alternative is, of course, wide-spread concealing of your location via IP &#8211; but we again need laws confirming our right to use the purchased product.</p>
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		<title>By: blitzy</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/03/cheaper-hardware-software-and-digital-downloads-heres-how/#comment-485285</link>
		<dc:creator>blitzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s not just tech / digital downloads that are overpriced, 

one that really grinds my gears is Cars and carparts how about adding them to the enquiries while thier at it the ex factory pricing to australia is even more obscene even taking into account the various tax&#039;s 

oh and add clothing to list aswell.   Australia is a fantastic country to live but we do pay for the privillage]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just tech / digital downloads that are overpriced, </p>
<p>one that really grinds my gears is Cars and carparts how about adding them to the enquiries while thier at it the ex factory pricing to australia is even more obscene even taking into account the various tax&#8217;s </p>
<p>oh and add clothing to list aswell.   Australia is a fantastic country to live but we do pay for the privillage</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Edwards</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/03/cheaper-hardware-software-and-digital-downloads-heres-how/#comment-485006</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 09:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yah.

Anyways, I&#039;ve just ordered a touchpad from Ergonomic (http://www.ergonomictouchpad.com/xl_touchpad.php), US$59.95 plus US$8.00 shipping, AU$66.73 total.

Of course, we have to wait for it to arrive, but I&#039;m not seriously expecting trouble as it went through PayPal.

In the meantime, it&#039;s nice to see that not all US manufacturers are out to rob us.

Gordon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yah.</p>
<p>Anyways, I&#8217;ve just ordered a touchpad from Ergonomic (<a href="http://www.ergonomictouchpad.com/xl_touchpad.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ergonomictouchpad.com/xl_touchpad.php</a>), US$59.95 plus US$8.00 shipping, AU$66.73 total.</p>
<p>Of course, we have to wait for it to arrive, but I&#8217;m not seriously expecting trouble as it went through PayPal.</p>
<p>In the meantime, it&#8217;s nice to see that not all US manufacturers are out to rob us.</p>
<p>Gordon.</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/03/cheaper-hardware-software-and-digital-downloads-heres-how/#comment-485000</link>
		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 08:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Gordon

The Cat Shop may very well be a grey importer and they are simply buying it retail from the US and doing exactly that- shipping it direct.

Many companies do this and manage to make a few dollars off every purchase through shipping discounts etc. It&#039;s a response to customers wanting overseas products that aren&#039;t even offered in the country, let alone at a decent price.

This is a different kettle of fish to what we see with most technology- it IS offered in Australia, but at a 30-80%  premium even including shipping and transport and tax.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gordon</p>
<p>The Cat Shop may very well be a grey importer and they are simply buying it retail from the US and doing exactly that- shipping it direct.</p>
<p>Many companies do this and manage to make a few dollars off every purchase through shipping discounts etc. It&#8217;s a response to customers wanting overseas products that aren&#8217;t even offered in the country, let alone at a decent price.</p>
<p>This is a different kettle of fish to what we see with most technology- it IS offered in Australia, but at a 30-80%  premium even including shipping and transport and tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 08:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll throw in the Cirque Smart Cat PS2 touchpad (http://www.cirque.com/desktoptouchpad/productsandorders/smartcat.aspx) -- US$59.95 plus UPS Worldwide Expedited [AU postcode] Shipping: US$96.99 (for a 1lb=454gm box) --&gt; total: US$156.94.

That postage is a bit rough from where I stand.  BUT, from The Cat Shop (http://www.thecatshop.com.au/): Smart Cat Touchpad (Serial &amp; PS2)  AU$145.00 but postage is free...  this converts to ~ US$153.265.

Ummmm.  Er...  Aaaahhhh!  I bet The Cat Shop is ordering one at a time and having it posted direct to my door?

Is this a rip-off?

Gordon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll throw in the Cirque Smart Cat PS2 touchpad (<a href="http://www.cirque.com/desktoptouchpad/productsandorders/smartcat.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.cirque.com/desktoptouchpad/productsandorders/smartcat.aspx</a>) &#8212; US$59.95 plus UPS Worldwide Expedited [AU postcode] Shipping: US$96.99 (for a 1lb=454gm box) &#8211;&gt; total: US$156.94.</p>
<p>That postage is a bit rough from where I stand.  BUT, from The Cat Shop (<a href="http://www.thecatshop.com.au/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecatshop.com.au/</a>): Smart Cat Touchpad (Serial &amp; PS2)  AU$145.00 but postage is free&#8230;  this converts to ~ US$153.265.</p>
<p>Ummmm.  Er&#8230;  Aaaahhhh!  I bet The Cat Shop is ordering one at a time and having it posted direct to my door?</p>
<p>Is this a rip-off?</p>
<p>Gordon.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/03/cheaper-hardware-software-and-digital-downloads-heres-how/#comment-484956</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 03:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and yes, Asus &lt;b&gt;are&lt;/b&gt; one of the few - their warranty terms are often better (longer, more comprehensive) than other products in similar price brackets and can often be the difference in a successful sale, in my experience. Massive kudos to them for this, and I sincerely hope other brands wake up and pay attention eventually.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and yes, Asus <b>are</b> one of the few &#8211; their warranty terms are often better (longer, more comprehensive) than other products in similar price brackets and can often be the difference in a successful sale, in my experience. Massive kudos to them for this, and I sincerely hope other brands wake up and pay attention eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2012 03:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I would, too.

I&#039;m a little surprised that Olympus wouldn&#039;t honour the warranty locally - I&#039;ve had a lot to do with Olympus products in advanced optics and microscopes and they will usually bend over backwards to help, but then that division is a completely separate business entirely from consumer products.

Actually, in my experience it often pays to deliberately contact the wrong division of a company with warranty difficulties like this - go above the people you&#039;re &lt;i&gt;supposed&lt;/i&gt; to deal with and contact professional product support or head office and explain how disappointed you are with their brand generally and how damaging you consider it could be to their company, and you may get them to intervene on your behalf. I&#039;ve had any number of products repaired outside technical warranty terms (for clients and personally) by (calmly and politely) following through with national support managers and head office executives. It&#039;s amazing what you can get when you ask ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I would, too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little surprised that Olympus wouldn&#8217;t honour the warranty locally &#8211; I&#8217;ve had a lot to do with Olympus products in advanced optics and microscopes and they will usually bend over backwards to help, but then that division is a completely separate business entirely from consumer products.</p>
<p>Actually, in my experience it often pays to deliberately contact the wrong division of a company with warranty difficulties like this &#8211; go above the people you&#8217;re <i>supposed</i> to deal with and contact professional product support or head office and explain how disappointed you are with their brand generally and how damaging you consider it could be to their company, and you may get them to intervene on your behalf. I&#8217;ve had any number of products repaired outside technical warranty terms (for clients and personally) by (calmly and politely) following through with national support managers and head office executives. It&#8217;s amazing what you can get when you ask ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/03/cheaper-hardware-software-and-digital-downloads-heres-how/#comment-484899</link>
		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lol Renai- they&#039;re crackable files + algorithms...hence Key-Gens :)

Besides, I was talking more old school games like Starcraft- didn&#039;t even know what online Serials WERE then :D

I&#039;ll stick with my physical media anyday- they&#039;re not likely to stop me buying from a physical retailer if I give it to someone else because I&#039;m done with it.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol Renai- they&#8217;re crackable files + algorithms&#8230;hence Key-Gens :)</p>
<p>Besides, I was talking more old school games like Starcraft- didn&#8217;t even know what online Serials WERE then :D</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stick with my physical media anyday- they&#8217;re not likely to stop me buying from a physical retailer if I give it to someone else because I&#8217;m done with it&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Renai LeMay</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/03/cheaper-hardware-software-and-digital-downloads-heres-how/#comment-484890</link>
		<dc:creator>Renai LeMay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two words: &quot;Online verification&quot; (of serial number).

Enough said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two words: &#8220;Online verification&#8221; (of serial number).</p>
<p>Enough said.</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/03/cheaper-hardware-software-and-digital-downloads-heres-how/#comment-484888</link>
		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah yes tom...but how would they stop you from doing what you liked with the disc?.... :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes tom&#8230;but how would they stop you from doing what you liked with the disc?&#8230;. :D</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Resd the EULA that comes with your physical media sometime. No different to online media. You still don&#039;t own the data, only the disc that the data comes on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Resd the EULA that comes with your physical media sometime. No different to online media. You still don&#8217;t own the data, only the disc that the data comes on.</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
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		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Trevor

Fair enough.

ASUS is one of the few then. Olympus&#039; &quot;International&quot; warranty meant my best friend had to send her camera she&#039;d bought from Greece back to Greece to be repaired....she didn&#039;t bother and bought a new one even though it was less than 9 months old....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Trevor</p>
<p>Fair enough.</p>
<p>ASUS is one of the few then. Olympus&#8217; &#8220;International&#8221; warranty meant my best friend had to send her camera she&#8217;d bought from Greece back to Greece to be repaired&#8230;.she didn&#8217;t bother and bought a new one even though it was less than 9 months old&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/03/cheaper-hardware-software-and-digital-downloads-heres-how/#comment-484864</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, Asus&#039;s international warranty means returning to your nearest authorised service centre. In fact, that&#039;s what &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; international warranty should be, otherwise it&#039;s not an international warranty, it&#039;s just a standard local-region warranty.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...this Warranty entitles You during the Warranty Period to international ASUS warranty service in Europe, North America (USA, Canada and Mexico), Asia, Africa and Australia/Oceania, subject to the following additional restrictions: .. 
Service procedures may vary by country,
Some service and/or spare parts may not be available in all countries
Localized spare parts (e.g. keyboard/ keymats) may be replaced with the version customary in the country where the repair is requested.
Some countries may have fees and restrictions that apply at the time of service.
Certain countries may require additional documentation, such as proof of purchase or proof of proper importation, prior to performing International Warranty and Support
To enjoy the comprehensive international warranty service, visit ASUS Service Center website at http://support.asus.com/contact for detailed locations&quot;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Asus&#8217;s international warranty means returning to your nearest authorised service centre. In fact, that&#8217;s what <i>any</i> international warranty should be, otherwise it&#8217;s not an international warranty, it&#8217;s just a standard local-region warranty.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;this Warranty entitles You during the Warranty Period to international ASUS warranty service in Europe, North America (USA, Canada and Mexico), Asia, Africa and Australia/Oceania, subject to the following additional restrictions: ..<br />
Service procedures may vary by country,<br />
Some service and/or spare parts may not be available in all countries<br />
Localized spare parts (e.g. keyboard/ keymats) may be replaced with the version customary in the country where the repair is requested.<br />
Some countries may have fees and restrictions that apply at the time of service.<br />
Certain countries may require additional documentation, such as proof of purchase or proof of proper importation, prior to performing International Warranty and Support<br />
To enjoy the comprehensive international warranty service, visit ASUS Service Center website at <a href="http://support.asus.com/contact" rel="nofollow">http://support.asus.com/contact</a> for detailed locations&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, EULAs can&#039;t remove or restrict your statutory rights, and the recent ruling from the EU suggests that, at least in Europe, &lt;b&gt;you&lt;/b&gt; own the games you have purchased digitally and can legally resell them, despite this being in direct violation of the terms in the EULA. This is a huge blow to electronic license agreements generally, and there&#039;s hope that it could have repercussions globally (and may be extended to cover all software, eventually).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, EULAs can&#8217;t remove or restrict your statutory rights, and the recent ruling from the EU suggests that, at least in Europe, <b>you</b> own the games you have purchased digitally and can legally resell them, despite this being in direct violation of the terms in the EULA. This is a huge blow to electronic license agreements generally, and there&#8217;s hope that it could have repercussions globally (and may be extended to cover all software, eventually).</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gamekeys4u.net is good alternative to steam store, purchased Civ5 expansion from them $13, on official steam store its $50]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gamekeys4u.net is good alternative to steam store, purchased Civ5 expansion from them $13, on official steam store its $50</p>
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		<title>By: seven_tech</title>
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		<dc:creator>seven_tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 07:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol....

Yeah and everywhere else, game STUDIO owns you.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol&#8230;.</p>
<p>Yeah and everywhere else, game STUDIO owns you&#8230;..</p>
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