1. Yes and Google Fiber was fantasy for Austin some 2 weeks ago. This point is ridiculous and, based on the probable election result, your version of the NBN is also PURE FANTASTY.

Neither of these statements mean a thing. It is possible that private industry would have invested in fibre deliver in Australia if the NBN hadn’t bought a legislated monopoly on it.

2. The NBN will lock you into one compnay. It’s call NBN Co. You will have no choice, at least in the forseable future, with going to an alternate fibre optic provider. At least in the Google Fiber model, if someone chooses to deliver an alternate serivce, you will have a choice. This is not available on the NBN.

3. Really? What a ridiculous thought. Because google has the legeslative authoirty to do anything similar to what the Police, DSD, ASIO and the other intelligence agencies within Australia do.

4. What does this point even mean? Please inform me about how EVERY pay TV provider in the world has signed up to provide service on the NBN.

5. WHAT??? Seriously??!!??! The only difference is that because google is providing the service you beg differently to the NBN – it’s called lobbying and pork barrelling when you do it this way.

Google Fiber is not a monopoly. No one else is prevented from entering and competing with them. In fact Google is not the only fibre provider in the USA. Unfortunately the NBN will be the only one in Australia, for at least the foreseeable future.

Obviously you’ve never read the Tele or Australian then ;)

I can’t say much more about this article because it is utter mistruth and spin.

I would take a thousand google fibers over an Nbn.

But you are all so pig headed you would never accept anything but what Kevin 07 suggested after vomiting a plan on the back of a cigarette pack.

I also disagree that Google will want to get out of being a ISP, there is far to much potential data to mine from the endeavour which translates into profits in other departments for them to ever want to give it up.

Also, we’ll never know if Google (or any other privately owned company) would have ever wanted to roll out fiber optic tech in Australia because the NBN has killed any chance of that before there was any real consumer interest, let alone consumer demand, to drive a private company to want to roll out such a network here.

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That’s right. So you’ll be getting data retention regardless. Is this any reason not to build the NBN? No. In fact the NBN will make circumventing it much easier so instead of whinging about the NBN you should be saying “bring it on”.

What is the difference between a tax on all users and forcing all users on to the NBN and charging them? Academic/semantic, someone pays.

Because that “tax” is NOT on all users, it’s on all Taxpayers. AND that money is given to private enterprise to build the most PROFITABLE areas, NOT all of Australia.

You can dismiss POI’s as points of interception as a conspiracy theory as much as you like, but if I were going along with the governments fascist data retention policy, my recommendation would be to use them as they are convenient, very nearly universal in scope and easy to ensure compliance.

You can’t just “use them” NBNCo. have to ALLOW them to be used and apart from the laws not currently anywhere in the vicinity of allowing this, NBNCo. would not just go “yeah, sure, here’s the keys. Lock up when you’re done.” They must be an integral part of it and I KNOW Quigley and most of the rest of the board wouldn’t stand for it. That idea is nothing more than fearmongering because you don’t like the NBN. There is the same scope now for interception of packets as under the NBN- in fact, more. Telstra’s network only has 14 POI’s…..

I don’t have an issue with payment for infrastructure, I do have an issue with fanboi propaganda that claims that the cost won’t land on all Australians, either by tax or by charge.

Ok. I’ll make this very simple- IF the NBN is completed and as you’re averse to, all users of fixed lines are “forced” onto it IT WILL MAKE IT’S ROI. Which means, all that $27 Billion? IT GETS PAID BACK with NO extra cost to the budget OR taxpayers beyond the interest of $4 Billion from the loan. Compare this to the Coalition’s policy, which will cost EVERY taxpayer, DIRECT $17 Billion minimum.

Once again, $4 Billion vs $17 Billion- you do the math. There is no magic. No fanboism. No amazing trick of numbers. This is an INVESTMENT. Investments MAKE MONEY. And unless you are suggesting all Australians will up and dump their fixed lines almost unanimously in the next 10 years, then it is a certainty it will be paid back. I don’t understand what you see as “propaganda.” I really don’t.

It’s the equivalent of saying “I’m going to buy a electricity company. It will cost me $27 Billion. But I expect to make that back over 26 years and then a few Billion on top. Sure, electricity use might slow, but it won’t stop. It’s essential. So I WILL make my money back and seeing as I don’t really care about immediate profit (cause I’m the government), it doesn’t have to be over 5 years that I make the money back, so I can charge my users a decent amount and be reasonable on cost”

And whiny liberal fanboys? No seriously just because one is in favor of the NBN it does not imply support for the labor party. Learn the difference please.

“Then I realised that the whole thing is all flash, we won’t see the substance for at least 10 years”

So really by your logic we should have started building this FttH network in 2002. Yes I agree. But what would you say about it in 2002? Go on tell us.

“and we won’t be rid of the debt for at least 20 years.”

False.

Seriously…

Yes… let private enterprise invest and do it! But when they won’t, as they have proven they won’t in comms (yeah, they’ll scrape the cream in urban areas, but the bush isn’t profitable)… then the government needs to step in. FFS… it’s common sense not reds under the bed!

And why should these companies be allowed to have the cream only, whilst the taxpayers are burdened with the unprofitable cost? Enter the NBN.

But no, every idiotic illogical claim under the sun is levelled at the NBN by these ideologues, particularly in relation to so called NBN $ wastage, even though there is a planned ROI to repay the network!

So surely if these critics are fair dinkum about wastage they would oppose such wasteul and unnecessary subsidies, wouldn’t they?

NO, they are happy, due to ideology, to hand over $b’s in taxpayer dollars to these companies who have refused to invest, to own our nations network and dictate to the government of the time (gee how quickly they forget Telstra dictating, no ADSL2+ to John Howard?) :/

Gee, I wish I could invest my money in a sure thing and then also have someone pay me to ensure my profits elsewhere.

Sorry about that folks. My fault. I’ll be more careful next time….

I’ll just fix it myself then?

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