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		<title>By: NotSaying</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-522507</link>
		<dc:creator>NotSaying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[no, most of the sccm server infrastructure, not a server, dc/apps etc, with an sccm agent installed, was still intact. it did however impact other management systems...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, most of the sccm server infrastructure, not a server, dc/apps etc, with an sccm agent installed, was still intact. it did however impact other management systems&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NotSaying</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-522504</link>
		<dc:creator>NotSaying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[but there were only 2 SME&#039;s who had the responsiblity for the sccm infrastructure...ALL of it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but there were only 2 SME&#8217;s who had the responsiblity for the sccm infrastructure&#8230;ALL of it!</p>
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		<title>By: NotSaying</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-522471</link>
		<dc:creator>NotSaying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 08:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[theyStuffed it
Posted 01/08/2012 at 7:54 pm

you are mostly correct. to the other postie, the &quot;problem: did not originate in NZ, it was all onshore. one of the biggest issues with this was an sccm task sequence that was configured to &quot;install on all platforms&quot;, rather than configured for say x86 xp only (well the target pc&#039;s were all x86 xp). the advert was triggered and targetted the all system container. the rest is now history...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theyStuffed it<br />
Posted 01/08/2012 at 7:54 pm</p>
<p>you are mostly correct. to the other postie, the &#8220;problem: did not originate in NZ, it was all onshore. one of the biggest issues with this was an sccm task sequence that was configured to &#8220;install on all platforms&#8221;, rather than configured for say x86 xp only (well the target pc&#8217;s were all x86 xp). the advert was triggered and targetted the all system container. the rest is now history&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Karthick</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-510986</link>
		<dc:creator>Karthick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 06:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim. I am totally disagree with your point.I am an Indian. &quot;Humans Do Errors&quot; irrespective of country,language or people.Without errors there wont be any great Inventions in this planet.Let us try to learn from this  
Sorry if i commit any grammatical or spelling mistakes in my point :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim. I am totally disagree with your point.I am an Indian. &#8220;Humans Do Errors&#8221; irrespective of country,language or people.Without errors there wont be any great Inventions in this planet.Let us try to learn from this<br />
Sorry if i commit any grammatical or spelling mistakes in my point :)</p>
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		<title>By: Nobby6</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-486296</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobby6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@rod trent, 

nothing wrong with my connection mate, I had/have no problems with any other site, just yours, not that I have bothered to check again today, because, well, I think your just spamming, chest beating, or ma......g  I wont use that word else Renai will get  peeved, but yeah. what I read yesterday is nothing more than any of the tens of other rumours that have been flying around by this blog, other blogs or media speculation, all up no facts by anyone, therefore I have no interest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rod trent, </p>
<p>nothing wrong with my connection mate, I had/have no problems with any other site, just yours, not that I have bothered to check again today, because, well, I think your just spamming, chest beating, or ma&#8230;&#8230;g  I wont use that word else Renai will get  peeved, but yeah. what I read yesterday is nothing more than any of the tens of other rumours that have been flying around by this blog, other blogs or media speculation, all up no facts by anyone, therefore I have no interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Trent</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-486103</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nobby6...  Sad to hear you say that.  Might check your connection.

I&#039;ll have more on the situation, too...and yes...at myITforum.com, we *do* know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobby6&#8230;  Sad to hear you say that.  Might check your connection.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have more on the situation, too&#8230;and yes&#8230;at myITforum.com, we *do* know.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobby6</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-485821</link>
		<dc:creator>Nobby6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 23:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Folks, wouldn&#039;t waste your time with that link, apart from the fact if you can bother to painstakingly wait for the site to load, the guys no more in-the-know than anyone else around here, with all the other rumours, he&#039;s just another blogger with no evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, wouldn&#8217;t waste your time with that link, apart from the fact if you can bother to painstakingly wait for the site to load, the guys no more in-the-know than anyone else around here, with all the other rumours, he&#8217;s just another blogger with no evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Trent</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-485789</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It wasn&#039;t a patch folks.  Here&#039;s the scoop:

http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/08/06/sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t a patch folks.  Here&#8217;s the scoop:</p>
<p><a href="http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/08/06/sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank/" rel="nofollow">http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/08/06/sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Noel</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-485583</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha.  There is a safeguard.  The Summary screen right before you click finish.  It gives you a list of what&#039;s about to happen and gives you one last chance to review before you go ahead to commit the changes.

Just proves yet again - you can&#039;t fix stupid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha.  There is a safeguard.  The Summary screen right before you click finish.  It gives you a list of what&#8217;s about to happen and gives you one last chance to review before you go ahead to commit the changes.</p>
<p>Just proves yet again &#8211; you can&#8217;t fix stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Zonk</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-485574</link>
		<dc:creator>Zonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What if the ipad applications relied on an IP address, and they use windows servers to issue DHCP....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if the ipad applications relied on an IP address, and they use windows servers to issue DHCP&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-485542</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting follow-on article:

http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/08/06/sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank/?utm_source=twitterfeed&amp;utm_medium=twitter&amp;utm_campaign=sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting follow-on article:</p>
<p><a href="http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/08/06/sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank/?utm_source=twitterfeed&#038;utm_medium=twitter&#038;utm_campaign=sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank" rel="nofollow">http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/08/06/sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank/?utm_source=twitterfeed&#038;utm_medium=twitter&#038;utm_campaign=sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-485541</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This insider says it was a bad setup by an HP engineer, NOT MICROSOFT! Although, HP is blaming MS for not building in a safeguard... Sigh.

http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/08/06/sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank/?utm_source=twitterfeed&amp;utm_medium=twitter&amp;utm_campaign=sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This insider says it was a bad setup by an HP engineer, NOT MICROSOFT! Although, HP is blaming MS for not building in a safeguard&#8230; Sigh.</p>
<p><a href="http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/08/06/sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank/?utm_source=twitterfeed&#038;utm_medium=twitter&#038;utm_campaign=sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank" rel="nofollow">http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2012/08/06/sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank/?utm_source=twitterfeed&#038;utm_medium=twitter&#038;utm_campaign=sccm-task-sequence-blew-up-australias-commbank</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-485476</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 05:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi WindowsAdmin,

Hiring out a crew of highly trained Indian expats in the silicon valley isn&#039;t a comparison - they still cost as much as non-outsourced employees! This means that to secure lower costs skilled workers are the first point of fail, and quality assurance the second. India has the sheer population to be able to supply a level of tech trained low skilled workers at lower cost.


There&#039;s a bit of socio-cultural research been done around this particular &quot;racism&quot; in the corporate world - I&#039;ll summarise below:

Whilst there are other available centers - Phillipines is an up and coming tech center for example, Indian education standards in the last years have focussed highly on tech literacy, so they&#039;re a natural choice for the IT industry. Unfortunately, this means that you&#039;ve got a huge pool of medium skilled workers that you can throw in mass at a task. The problem with this comes up in the business cultural differences between historical low population English business culture (Yes america, your system is English too) and the high population Asian business culture.

What do I mean by that? Take the following statement from an Australian Worker :
 &quot; Ah, that&#039;s my fault. I wrote the code incorrectly and the system has gone down&quot;
This sort of language isn&#039;t present in an Asian based &quot;Collectivist&quot; culture. As an Indian, the prevailing culture is that you succeed, or fail, as a team - Individualist culture in a western economy, such as admission of guilt, is a powerful tool - after admitting something has gone wrong, it&#039;s an assumption that you will be allowed to try again to fix it, and that your team is not to blame. In a team based culture, one person&#039;s failure is the team&#039;s failure, and as such you&#039;ll go to great lengths to avoid pinning the blame on an individual:

&quot;The team overlooked some key issues and we&#039;re researching how best to resolve it&quot; sounds like weasel words to an Australian company, and with no one to blame, there&#039;s no one with high pressure on to fix it. To cultures that pride themselves getting ahead at the expense of others, this makes working with a differently cultured team difficult, and is part of the reason why Indian outsource suppliers get a terrible rap from these countries. It&#039;s not always that they&#039;re doing the task poorly, but there&#039;s less risk for the individual to check work is perfect - you can always hide behind the team and &quot;share&quot; the blame.

TL; DR:
Somewhere in New Zealand, a tech worker is writing up a resume.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi WindowsAdmin,</p>
<p>Hiring out a crew of highly trained Indian expats in the silicon valley isn&#8217;t a comparison &#8211; they still cost as much as non-outsourced employees! This means that to secure lower costs skilled workers are the first point of fail, and quality assurance the second. India has the sheer population to be able to supply a level of tech trained low skilled workers at lower cost.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a bit of socio-cultural research been done around this particular &#8220;racism&#8221; in the corporate world &#8211; I&#8217;ll summarise below:</p>
<p>Whilst there are other available centers &#8211; Phillipines is an up and coming tech center for example, Indian education standards in the last years have focussed highly on tech literacy, so they&#8217;re a natural choice for the IT industry. Unfortunately, this means that you&#8217;ve got a huge pool of medium skilled workers that you can throw in mass at a task. The problem with this comes up in the business cultural differences between historical low population English business culture (Yes america, your system is English too) and the high population Asian business culture.</p>
<p>What do I mean by that? Take the following statement from an Australian Worker :<br />
 &#8221; Ah, that&#8217;s my fault. I wrote the code incorrectly and the system has gone down&#8221;<br />
This sort of language isn&#8217;t present in an Asian based &#8220;Collectivist&#8221; culture. As an Indian, the prevailing culture is that you succeed, or fail, as a team &#8211; Individualist culture in a western economy, such as admission of guilt, is a powerful tool &#8211; after admitting something has gone wrong, it&#8217;s an assumption that you will be allowed to try again to fix it, and that your team is not to blame. In a team based culture, one person&#8217;s failure is the team&#8217;s failure, and as such you&#8217;ll go to great lengths to avoid pinning the blame on an individual:</p>
<p>&#8220;The team overlooked some key issues and we&#8217;re researching how best to resolve it&#8221; sounds like weasel words to an Australian company, and with no one to blame, there&#8217;s no one with high pressure on to fix it. To cultures that pride themselves getting ahead at the expense of others, this makes working with a differently cultured team difficult, and is part of the reason why Indian outsource suppliers get a terrible rap from these countries. It&#8217;s not always that they&#8217;re doing the task poorly, but there&#8217;s less risk for the individual to check work is perfect &#8211; you can always hide behind the team and &#8220;share&#8221; the blame.</p>
<p>TL; DR:<br />
Somewhere in New Zealand, a tech worker is writing up a resume.</p>
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		<title>By: WindowsAdmin</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-485468</link>
		<dc:creator>WindowsAdmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2012 05:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim,

Your comment about Indian people is not acceptable, we work hard and have enough technical knowledge thats why we rule silicon valley!! You can churn out figures , how many Indians are working in US and doing great...lot of big inventions in the area of computers come from India people.

What has happened with this Ausi bank was a task sequence sent to s wrong collection. Windows patches can not be installed where they are not needed.

That poor sccm admin made a collection with wrong query which added all workstations and servers to the target collection where the task sequence ( to format) the disk was sent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>Your comment about Indian people is not acceptable, we work hard and have enough technical knowledge thats why we rule silicon valley!! You can churn out figures , how many Indians are working in US and doing great&#8230;lot of big inventions in the area of computers come from India people.</p>
<p>What has happened with this Ausi bank was a task sequence sent to s wrong collection. Windows patches can not be installed where they are not needed.</p>
<p>That poor sccm admin made a collection with wrong query which added all workstations and servers to the target collection where the task sequence ( to format) the disk was sent.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-485069</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 00:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UK banks had similar problems.  The truth is that much of the technical work is now outsourced to India.  While there maybe some competent technical types in India, the banks buy services solely on price.  The Indians are just after the contract and hire employees as cheaply as they possibly can.  So you get a bank, issuing service cvontracts for the absolute minimum price, but thinking it has pulled one over the contractor by getting such a low price; the Indian outsourcer realizes that there maybe problems, but so what, they have a contract and enough weasle words that they are not taking any risks (Indians are very risk adverse), and I T systems are complicated enough that the blame can be shuffled so much that no one really gets on top of what happened.  Usually some low level worker gets it in the neck, and it ends there.  I have worked in the I T industry for 30 plus years.  After we started outsourcing to India, I saw some of the poorest quality work that I have ever witnessed.  I dont doubt that Indian technical people could be decent at what they do, but they are largely untrained in the real world, just have dubious academic qualifications which they are attempting to use to secure jobs and usually visas.  Cant blame them for theat, but the bank purchasing agents should be shot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UK banks had similar problems.  The truth is that much of the technical work is now outsourced to India.  While there maybe some competent technical types in India, the banks buy services solely on price.  The Indians are just after the contract and hire employees as cheaply as they possibly can.  So you get a bank, issuing service cvontracts for the absolute minimum price, but thinking it has pulled one over the contractor by getting such a low price; the Indian outsourcer realizes that there maybe problems, but so what, they have a contract and enough weasle words that they are not taking any risks (Indians are very risk adverse), and I T systems are complicated enough that the blame can be shuffled so much that no one really gets on top of what happened.  Usually some low level worker gets it in the neck, and it ends there.  I have worked in the I T industry for 30 plus years.  After we started outsourcing to India, I saw some of the poorest quality work that I have ever witnessed.  I dont doubt that Indian technical people could be decent at what they do, but they are largely untrained in the real world, just have dubious academic qualifications which they are attempting to use to secure jobs and usually visas.  Cant blame them for theat, but the bank purchasing agents should be shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kazz</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-484860</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 09:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All i can say is, wow.

The reaction time, redeployment, resources and the time that HP has taken to rebuild, reimage, redeploy is just amazing. Thinkg about it.

All those servers, from Metro to regional areas, all restored within a week. We are talking about full rebuilds here on not only workstations, but servers that take days.

If anything, HP should be proud, and CBA should think twice before shooting whoever at HP, because at the end of the day, if CBAs IT was controlled and managed by another company, could they have completed this, regardless of &quot;well it shouldn&#039;t of happened in the first place&quot;.

A true test, and good save/win, and a serious eye opener to any other IT company.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All i can say is, wow.</p>
<p>The reaction time, redeployment, resources and the time that HP has taken to rebuild, reimage, redeploy is just amazing. Thinkg about it.</p>
<p>All those servers, from Metro to regional areas, all restored within a week. We are talking about full rebuilds here on not only workstations, but servers that take days.</p>
<p>If anything, HP should be proud, and CBA should think twice before shooting whoever at HP, because at the end of the day, if CBAs IT was controlled and managed by another company, could they have completed this, regardless of &#8220;well it shouldn&#8217;t of happened in the first place&#8221;.</p>
<p>A true test, and good save/win, and a serious eye opener to any other IT company.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 02:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it fixed yet?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it fixed yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Bob</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-484719</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my company, our old deployment system&#039;s software packages had policies which meant desktop patches and software COULD NOT be applied to servers and/or non intended devices for this very reason.  It meant large deployments needed to go though extra process and checks before it would would even work.  It was recently &quot;upgraded&quot;, against our advice, to another piece of shit which looks lovely (to management) but has nowhere near the check/controls and levels of automation we had with the old one and provides ability for anyone dicking around with it to send out any software package to eveything - in fact it configures itself to do this by default! - you have to manually exclude the stuff you don&#039;t want it to target.  We&#039;ve already had a very expensive piece of software accidentally deployed to a large group of devices totalling around 1 Million worth of additional licencing liability.  And other piece of desktop software accidentally hit all servers - Luckily for us it didn&#039;t screw the O/S......yet!

Dear management - when your engineers try and highlight these risks to you - I suggest you listen and take it seriously.  :)

Bob]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my company, our old deployment system&#8217;s software packages had policies which meant desktop patches and software COULD NOT be applied to servers and/or non intended devices for this very reason.  It meant large deployments needed to go though extra process and checks before it would would even work.  It was recently &#8220;upgraded&#8221;, against our advice, to another piece of shit which looks lovely (to management) but has nowhere near the check/controls and levels of automation we had with the old one and provides ability for anyone dicking around with it to send out any software package to eveything &#8211; in fact it configures itself to do this by default! &#8211; you have to manually exclude the stuff you don&#8217;t want it to target.  We&#8217;ve already had a very expensive piece of software accidentally deployed to a large group of devices totalling around 1 Million worth of additional licencing liability.  And other piece of desktop software accidentally hit all servers &#8211; Luckily for us it didn&#8217;t screw the O/S&#8230;&#8230;yet!</p>
<p>Dear management &#8211; when your engineers try and highlight these risks to you &#8211; I suggest you listen and take it seriously.  :)</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-484697</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Happy to confirm your stats are spot on!  HP have flown in hundreds of engineers from all over the world to begin the task of re-building most of the environment from the ground up. I am a former HP employee (5 weeks removed) and still have very good connections back into the company.

The sad part is that the user error originated in New Zealand.. One might question why this function was being performed across the pond?  Well HP has a penny pinching policy of near shoring core IT services functions to low-cost regions. Its pretty sad that CommBank would allow staff from it&#039;s (supposed) Tier 1 IT Services provider in a different country to bring down circa-70% of its key IT infrastructure!  

... And to think this is the same IT Services provider that manages the Australian Taxation Departments core IT infrastructure services for the next 4 years. Lets hope our taxation details are safe!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy to confirm your stats are spot on!  HP have flown in hundreds of engineers from all over the world to begin the task of re-building most of the environment from the ground up. I am a former HP employee (5 weeks removed) and still have very good connections back into the company.</p>
<p>The sad part is that the user error originated in New Zealand.. One might question why this function was being performed across the pond?  Well HP has a penny pinching policy of near shoring core IT services functions to low-cost regions. Its pretty sad that CommBank would allow staff from it&#8217;s (supposed) Tier 1 IT Services provider in a different country to bring down circa-70% of its key IT infrastructure!  </p>
<p>&#8230; And to think this is the same IT Services provider that manages the Australian Taxation Departments core IT infrastructure services for the next 4 years. Lets hope our taxation details are safe!</p>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2012/07/30/disastrous-patch-cripples-commbank/#comment-484613</link>
		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 06:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am surprised that is a small number of machines. I was expecting it to have hit a lot more given the size of the company. I guess they got lucky and the SCCM infrastructure got taken out by the Advert early.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised that is a small number of machines. I was expecting it to have hit a lot more given the size of the company. I guess they got lucky and the SCCM infrastructure got taken out by the Advert early.</p>
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