Comments on: Pirate Party Australia fails election rego again

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By: Noddy

Noddy — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:22:36 +0000

Actually in games it has been common to do projects and be paid below cost. Because you are better off getting some money that have people sitting there non productive.

By: Noddy

Noddy — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 04:09:41 +0000

You are clueless if you think people are being milk. In some cases yes, generally no, games struggle to even break even.
How about you find out what this stuff costs before you arbitrarily say lower the price? Don’t you think they aren’t already using a price that gives them the best return on investment? Most still make a loss. Sure you can point to this and that where they have made huge profits, in most cases they aim for 10-15% and don’t even break even.

By: muso1

muso1 — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:13:24 +0000

It’s you who don’t understand something. The reason is because you don’t produce any entertainment yourself. So your perceived ‘worthless products’ that are ‘over priced’ is all guess work on your part.

By: muso1

muso1 — Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:11:57 +0000

Costs to produce haven’t dropped to near zero. The biggest factors in production are skilling yourself and the man hours it takes to creatively produce.
In real terms, music is cheaper than it was 10 to 20 years ago. So prices have come down.
The number one mode of distribution is still the music CD by the way.

By: Noddy

Noddy — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 07:45:08 +0000

No, not really. He said when someone downloads his stuff and doesn’t pay for it he is exploited. Fact.
Are you saying he doesn’t know how he feels when someone does that? That it is subjective as to if he really has the feeling he has been exploited?

By: Noddy

Noddy — Sat, 21 Jul 2012 07:27:10 +0000

OK, so when a musician and a games programmer tell you there isn’t much profit in it and they are usually make a loss on games you cried BS, copying is cheap.
Well who do you think knows? Two people who have been in the industry for 20 or more years or the consumer who has little idea of the cost by the looks.

By: Hubert Cumberdale

Hubert Cumberdale — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:16:11 +0000

“Sorry HC, you seem as bad as the anit NBN campaigners.”

I could say the same for you so stick to the topic please. Shaming tactics like this have no place in these debates.

“You keep insisting this content should be cheap because copies cost very little.”

That’s right. The key word here is adapt.

“You are totally ignoring however the initial cost to create that content.”

No. I am not. You clearly do not understand my comments. What I am saying is rather than try to milk consumers with disproportionate prices for essentially worthless products, price them so that it allows you to recover your costs and make a bit of profit.

By: Hubert Cumberdale

Hubert Cumberdale — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:06:36 +0000

“Then you reveal you are a consumer and have no experience in making and selling content.”

Right, so you have to be a content producer to have a valid standpoint on this topic. Noted.

“So where does your confidence in your dreamed up facts and figures come from?”

OK, so you think costs to produce and distribute content is more that what is used to be with physical media? LOL.

By: Hubert Cumberdale

Hubert Cumberdale — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:01:59 +0000

“Why has taking a unauthorised copy of his work, which is protected by copyright law, become opinion if he is being exploited? What is subjective about that?”

Someone “taking a unauthorised copy of his work” = a fact
Calling it exploitation = an opinion.

Hope that helps.

By: Hubert Cumberdale

Hubert Cumberdale — Fri, 20 Jul 2012 04:55:36 +0000

“Don’t uphold the law, drop the price on content so people won’t steal. Solved.”

I didn’t say anything about not upholding the law, I’m talking about adapting, that is what content producers have to do and are failing at. That is why piracy exists.

“No, stupid idea, but no stupider than yours.”

Except your idea is actually stupid.

“Your idea only makes any sense with your fairy tail everyone is rolling in money scenario you use to justify taking someones hard work for nothing.”

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. 1. I don’t think “everyone is rolling in money” at all. 2. This isn’t about “taking someone’s hard work for nothing” I believe you should pay for content, the QUESTION is what price. That is my argument.

By: Muso1

Muso1 — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:39:07 +0000

Right.
Some costs have gone down, other costs have gone up.
In reality, most music and music software products are a lot cheaper to buy than they were 5 years ago even.

By: Noddy

Noddy — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 05:41:30 +0000

OK, lets follow your logic. Don’t uphold the law, drop the price on content so people won’t steal. Solved.
People being shot, don’t enforce the law, make bullets inaffordable, solved. World hunger, sell the food to them cheaper, solved. How about you get a pay rise to make the songs more affordable? No, stupid idea, but no stupider than yours. Your idea only makes any sense with your fairy tail everyone is rolling in money scenario you use to justify taking someones hard work for nothing.

By: Noddy

Noddy — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 05:23:46 +0000

Sorry HC, you seem as bad as the anit NBN campaigners. You keep insisting this content should be cheap because copies cost very little. They do. You are totally ignoring however the initial cost to create that content.

By: Noddy

Noddy — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 05:20:53 +0000

Why has taking a unauthorised copy of his work, which is protected by copyright law, become opinion if he is being exploited? What is subjective about that? They are taking and using the works he has created without his permission.

By: muso1

muso1 — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 05:10:48 +0000

LOL, sorry, that’s funny.
You are telling us all that content creators are greedy, over charge, that costs are greatly reduced. Then you reveal you are a consumer and have no experience in making and selling content.
So where does your confidence in your dreamed up facts and figures come from?

By: muso1

muso1 — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 05:07:50 +0000

Taking entertainment that has a fee attached without paying that fee isn’t capitalism, it’s anti-capitalism.
What is your experience of entertainment commerce, or content production that makes you so sure of your facts and figures?

By: muso1

muso1 — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 05:06:09 +0000

Yes, you’re comments are appreciated.
I’m trying to keep the discussion relevant to the topic, The Pirate Party however.
I don’t know what their new policy will be, but their last copyright policy was aimed at protecting copyright from commercial infringement only.
If a free for all situation was allowed, NO ONE would pay for entertainment and entertainment would therefore become a part time, local industry, or peppered with intrusive adverts for Pepsi and KFC.

By: GongGav

GongGav — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 04:55:58 +0000

Fair enough. As I said, from how we’ve gone today, I can see that we might be trying to get to the same point, from opposing viewpoints. Devil is in the details, so to speak.

I dont come here as a pirate, wanting a free ride for as long as I can, I think my $25,000 of movies is testament enough to that. I want that middle ground where I can get a good enough copy to make my mind up whether to buy a copy or not, without being extorted along the way.

I really dont mind buying a movie to add to my collection, what I dont like is doing so blind for a $50 investment. Right now, that may mean downloading a copy of something so I can make that informed decision.

You seem to want the middle ground where the honest effort gets an honest reward. There’s no reason both cant happen, and no reason that a solution cant get the pirating generation accustomed to doing the legal thing.

Is $100-$200m a month to the RIAA and MPAA an acceptable compromise?

By: Hubert Cumberdale

Hubert Cumberdale — Thu, 19 Jul 2012 04:42:23 +0000

“What is your experience in music retail, or music software production?”

Oh I was just waiting for a ridiculous statement like this. I am not a musician, I am a consumer. As a content producer it is up to you to price your product that consumers will tolerate. New advances in technology (the internet) have made it possible for producers to make infinite copies of their product and distribute them easily without relying on the physical media of yesteryear. Instead of exploiting consumers they should exploit those technologies. As a consumer one has to take all of this into consideration and it’s understandable why so many are resortign to piracy rather than paying for it. If content producers are refusing to pass on their savings to consumers of course they will pirate.