Comments on: Telstra top hat fixing NBN failures, says Vic IT minister

By: GongGav

GongGav — Thu, 14 Jun 2012 23:12:53 +0000

Just coming back to this quickly, its interesting to note the local rag here in Wollongong is talking about tophats today as well.

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/news/local/news/general/top-hats-to-boost-web-speeds-in-mt-kembla/2590927.aspx

Highlights: 4 suburbs mentioned, including Dapto, which I believe is due to start getting NBN in August or Septamber. Some time this year at least. Plus there’s mention of 2000 of these being rolled out across the country.

Given the advanced rollout of the NBN throughout Wollongong, its interesting to see them prioritise the area. Then again, its more annecdotal evidence they are doing this partly to lock in customers pre-NBN.

By: Abel Adamski

Abel Adamski — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:09:22 +0000

Actually, all you guys at Narre and the other areas that have had tophats installed over the last few years can thank the NBN. Without that competitive and financial incentive you would have been on rims for ever. At least it sounds like you have decent ADSL2+, wonder if iiNet can fit their gear and increase the upload to 2Meg.
Once the Libs get in and we have Abbot pm, Hockey Treasurer, Fletcher in charge of Comms (No way keep Turnbull in that job , he is too intelligent. So of course anything that Turnbull may have intimated is just hot air. All that counts is written down detailed policy )
The NBN will be cancelled and more than likely given over to Telstra as payment for the defaults. So all you Telstra shareholders hope they get as much installed as possible, it will be a bargain basement gift to Telstra and any hope of real competition gone with the wind, the 800lb Gorilla just gained 200lb, and Telstra will just bend us all over as usuall. The Good News for the TLS shareholders, the installation etc and all costs will be on the budget bottom line and paid for by cuts in health, education, roads etc. So a win for the Telstra shareholders.and Murdoch, Everyone else loses and the dream of National Broadband is just a blowing in the wind

By: seven_tech

seven_tech — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 08:27:58 +0000

True HC.

I just can’t be bothed pointing out the obvious to Matthew much anymore. :D

But you are right, it should be noted that these areas will see the construction the NBN in 3 years, not necessarily have connection to the NBN in 3 years. That is NOT what the rollout plan states or ever has stated.

By: Hubert Cumberdale

Hubert Cumberdale — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:53:17 +0000

Sorry, disregard that comment I had no idea you were banned again.

By: Hubert Cumberdale

Hubert Cumberdale — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:50:29 +0000

Seven you should also note that he is wrong once again, if you have a look at the NBN rollout map on the NBN website it clearly says: “Work commences within three years” there is no trick here or anyone suggesting “Work will be completed in three years” at all, so despite what he is imagining it actually is a 3 year plan. No one except MM here is confused or expects those areas to be competed in 3 years because it clearly says “Work commences within three years” and not “Work will be completed in 4.5 years”

By: Hubert Cumberdale

Hubert Cumberdale — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 07:45:14 +0000

Actually what defines high speed has very little to do with what NBNco is offering. 100/40 isn’t even high speed by my standards but let me tell you what isn’t high speed either; 2mbps is not high speed and 5-10mbps is not high speed, someone else may find these acceptable and call them “high speed” but that is the undeniable benefit of the NBN, you can get whatever slow speed you want and call it high speed if you like. Other solutions (such as a coalition patchwork plan) do not have this benefit. Hope that helps.

By: seven_tech

seven_tech — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 06:01:12 +0000

Matthew, your maths not withstanding, I do not have a problem with any current projections from NBNCo. You do. Can we move on now?

The fact of the matter is, Narre Warren will receive partial NBN coverage by 2015 (satellite AND wireless) and FULL NBN coverage by 2021/2022. Just like every other person in the country.

By: SMEMatt

SMEMatt — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 03:31:31 +0000

Because unlike the LNP “plan” they have actually defined what speed they are going to deliver.

By: Matthew Lyon

Matthew Lyon — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:57:53 +0000

I’m always appalled at the advertising the various parties put on the tv as part of their election campaigns.
They find the most controversial stone to throw they can find whether or not its truth

By: GongGav

GongGav — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:31:00 +0000

There’s nothing ‘brave’ about it anyway Martin. You clearly arent fussed about needing extra speed, and the beauty of the NBN is that you wont pay more for staying with what you want. If people want to look for themselves, there is plenty of evidence to show that you could actually be paying less on that lowest plan than you do now, depending on the ISP.

Various people get caught up believing the pro-NBN group is all about the fastest plan only, when we’re not. The lowest plans also deliver for users like yourself, who dont need or want the faster plans. Because everything is on the same network, costs are down, and the net result is cheaper access for everyone. Not just those on the 100Mps plans.

Nobody here will be negative about your needs being less, far from it. Its a good example of the NBN working for everyone.

By: Brendan.

Brendan. — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:28:08 +0000

The L/NP is, in Victoria, once again, attempting to score political points — regarding a deployment the constituency wants — by simultaneously stating (at a federal level) that the NBN is a cash-cow waste of money and (locally) it’s not delivering enough.

Other than saying “No”, what does the L/NP have as it’s alternative? We don’t really know. It changes every other week of the month.

Meanwhile, the NBNco plows on with action and getting the job done.

Telstra has worked the numbers, given the on-boarding price it gets for each customer it connects to the NBN, there will be a net gain to improve broadband to increase their footprint; it’s also in-line with the (relatively speaking) recent push to aggressively re-enter the market.

There is a scale advantage for the NBN, it’s been widely discussed. Telstra is simply being Telstra; working the environment to best capitalise for it’s shareholders.

Of course, that competitive re-entry being timed around the point it became clear the NBN was ‘go’ I’m sure was entirely co-incidental, right? :)

By: Avid Gamer

Avid Gamer — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:20:46 +0000

“Narre Warren residents should applaud NBNCo for building next to them first, because it puts them next in line.”
+1, my regional centre (Whyalla) is due to start in March 2014 because Port Augusta (40kms away) is a POI, in fact the only regional POI I believe in South Australia.

“Renai’s characterisation of the hypocritical rhetoric of the Victorian Libs is accurate.”
The state Liberals in Victoria went down a course to try to slow down the rollout of NBNco fibre “opt in as opposed to opt out in the disguise of choice” and now are the most vocal state in Australia as regards not getting their share of early (3 year plan) NBN rollout there.

By: Noddy

Noddy — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:15:21 +0000

OK, in case the obvious somehow really slipped past you. Those people who don’t do anything when the NBN is roll out and therefore aren’t connected to it can’t be migrated to it or take up NBN plans.

By: Noddy

Noddy — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:08:56 +0000

alain he said nothing of the sort. He said there is no fixed definition of what high speed is, that is all. He never said NBN Co defined what it is. He just stated that because there is no definition the Coalition say they will install high speed broadband could be any speed at all.

By: Francis Young

Francis Young — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:08:25 +0000

+1 Renai

By: Francis Young

Francis Young — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:06:42 +0000

Renai’s characterisation of the hypocritical rhetoric of the Victorian Libs is accurate. They even passed legislation to slow the rollout. NBNCo has a mandate to work as quickly as possible, and the Victorian LIberal Party put its hand up as the State which wanted to be last. It still got onto the first release schedule despite this obstacle, because NBNCo engineers are targeting POI locations first, and radiating out from them.

Narre Warren residents should applaud NBNCo for building next to them first, because it puts them next in line.

In the meantime, the clarity of NBNco’s rollout schedule makes it possible for Telstra and others to identify places where it remains commercially attractive to build new ADSL services that will be profitable for them for a few years until the fibre arrives.

Oh, and Ed, there is no justification for taxpayer dollars to be pumped into Telstra to build copper services in places where we are building universal fibre within a few years. This is correctly left to the market.

By: Noddy

Noddy — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:06:19 +0000

They may not have been with anyone before these areas are notorious for not having ports available. Wan’t to bet their won’t be guys going around knocking on doors telling people they can get ADSL2 but only through Telstra? (technically true since it’s their equipment)

By: Noddy

Noddy — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:02:32 +0000

Yes if there is already ADSL1 FTTN node making an upgrade to ADSL2 is quick.

Putting in new FTTN cabinets, running fibre to them, running power to them, cutting telephone cables while a tech at the houses checks to make sure of each one. FTTN introduces other problems that the FTTH rollout doesn’t have. Once it is in you have zero time to change over your PSTN connection as the copper no longer runs to the exchange. Your ISP needs to change you over to whoever is wholesaling the VDSL2 in the cabinet as you have to connection to the exchange for ADSL2.

FTTN where there isn’t already a RIM is a logistical problem.

By: Avid Gamer

Avid Gamer — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 01:00:15 +0000

Renai, you can kindly remove my post please as your response to alain is the appropriate course to take.
That guy just irritates me so much beyond belief that I usually get onto the gaming computer and let off a lot of steam killing bad guys to calm down “so to speak”

By: Renai LeMay

Renai LeMay — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 00:44:07 +0000

hey Alex and Alain,

apologies, for this, but I have warned you guys a few times, and you are hijacking the discussion with rudeness and circular discussions. I’ve read through quite a lot of posts from both of you over the past few days, and it is clear that you are not the sort of rational posters who I want on Delimiter. You are harming the conversation and you are hereby banned:

http://delimiter.com.au/comments-policy/

I’ll review this in a few months. Drop me a line at renai@delimiter.com.au if you wish to dispute the ban and I’ll hear your case. Alain, you in particular are a long-time offender. I am tired of getting emails from Delimiter readers complaining about your behaviour. You are no longer welcome on this forum.

Cheers,

Renai