Telstra slashes 200GB HFC cable plan by $20

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Note: This article originally stated that Telstra’s plan price had been cut by $60. This was incorrect. The price cut applied to Telstra’s $99 bundled plan — not the $139 plan. Hence, the cut is only $20 — not $60.

news The nation’s largest telco Telstra has temporarily cut $20 a month from one of its most popular HFC cable broadband offers, in a move which brings the monthly cost of its 200GB broadband bundle down from $99 per month to $78.

The telco normally charges $99 a month for the service, which comes with 200GB of data (and no on- and off-peak restrictions) on the HFC cable connection, as well as line rental on the customer’s telephone line and Telstra’s HomeLine Ultimate telephone package.

However, in a blog post on the telco’s Exchange blog this morning, the company’s director of consumer wireline, John Chambers, revealed the price would come down to $78 a month over 24 months for new customers based in Sydney or Melbourne who signed up to the bundle until 15 December. “To sweeten the deal, our Telstra Plus support team are available on the phone for up to six free calls in the first 30 days from the activation of your bundle. These are some of our best local techs, to help you smooth the changeover to Telstra and help with your in-home networking needs. That’s normally $29.95 for a month, so it’s a nice extra to make life a bit easier.”

Customers will also receive a free upgrade to the full 100Mbps speeds available in some Telstra cable areas — which the company badges as its ‘Ultimate Cable’ offering, compared with the normal ‘Elite Cable’, which offers speeds up to 30Mbps.

The price cuts bring Telstra’s cable offer down to a similar level as existing ISP’s ADSL2+ plans at several of Telstra’s largest competitors. iiNet, for example, offers an ADSL2+ plan with 100GB of on-peak and 100GB of off-peak data, plus a bundled telephone line, for $79.90 per month. Other competitors such as TPG and Dodo, however, still offer cheaper plans.

“More and more, our home experience is linked to quality broadband being on and working as you expect it to,” wrote Chambers. “This leads me to something that has confounded me for the last few years of my working life, which is why more customers don’t choose to be with us on our BigPond Cable broadband product.”

“Don’t get me wrong, those who know it, love it. It is particularly popular with gamers and those who need the best performing broadband they can lay their hands on. But I really want to get the word out there, and get more people on to the amazing experience that is BigPond Cable broadband.”

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To be honest, I’m not quite sure what Telstra is playing at here. It doesn’t seem like it will be making much profit on the customers it does attract across to its cable network with this offer, with such steep discounts. And of course it will eventually need to migrate those customers onto the National Broadband Network infrastructure in any case.

It feels like the big T wants to make more use of its HFC cable network for some reason. It makes a deal of sense — given that both Telstra and Optus haven’t marketed their HFC cable offerings strongly for some time. There’s life in the infrastructure yet, especially with the speed upgrades, and Telstra would be wise to push its advantages here, considering most ISPs in Australia are restricted to the copper network.

However, I can’t see that many customers switching off ADSL and signing up for HFC cable. Once you’re on cable, it’s great, but it’s a bit of a pain getting on — and even more of a pain migrating back to an ADSL provider if you do decide eventually to leave Telstra in the dust.

What’s Telstra playing at here? Ideas?

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78 COMMENTS

  1. $78 for 100Mbit 200GB broadband and HomeLine Ultimate….

    fark… that’s one hell of a deal from a premium network….

    sign me up!

    • so let’s take a closer look at this.

      the nbn detractors have been saying since the current nbn announcement (condensed version) –

      * no one needs nbn speeds
      * no one apart from gamers, piracy thieves and porn addicts want nbn speeds
      * the nbn will be a $50B (sigh) white elephant because there won’t be demand for such speeds
      * etc

      fast forward today… telstra’s fast speed hfc is now a bit cheaper, now they say –

      * sign me up?

      ROFL…

        • thanks goddy…

          perhaps you’d like my conclusion?

          well… obviously, the only conclusion we can rationally draw from this – and please, this is not meant as a personal attack, it is simply applying these same people’s previous claims to their current comments – is, that our “friend”…

          1. lied from day one
          2. is a gamer
          3. piracy thief
          4. porn addict
          5. all of the above

          • While I’m a gamer and the NBN wont do a thing for me as most of my games aren’t online plus a saving of a few ms really is useless anyway. More sea cables are what gamers want anyway. Others you said don’t apply to me. Yet I want the FTTH.

            Why you may ask. Easy its 1000% more reliable then anything else. I currently use bigpond HFC in Brisbane. I also have optus HFC in my street but when I had optus pay tv and phone for 12 months I had pixeling and lost the phone on multiple occasions hence why I had it for only 12 months.

            I have needed 7 techs Yes 7 in the last year to fix water damaged street equipment. Last guy to come said one more part will need replacing “soon.” It isn’t simple to get a tech out either as bigpond want to blame everything in the book. Cookies, computer software, cache, your modem, fly cables, router, computer, network cables, me. If I was to switch to adsl 2+ Id have a sync speed of ~4mbit due to exchange distance. FTTN the answer ? Not sure but since it relies on copper and some of our calls are all fuzzy bet it would be a fun experience too.

      • “so let’s take a closer look at this.”

        Which translates as I will make it all up like I always do, make statements and assertions about posters that were never made in the first place and copy and paste most times out of context under the totally false illusion that I have made some points and ‘I know my stuff’

        “the nbn detractors have been saying since the current nbn announcement (condensed version) –”

        ‘Condensed version’ means I will leave out the bits where the pro-NBN argument gets hammered.

        “fast forward today… telstra’s fast speed hfc is now a bit cheaper, now they say –

        * sign me up?”

        Of course you leave out two key points about Telstra HFC vs NBN:

        1. It is optional if a residence wants to take the product, they are not forced to take it like they will on the NBN, if they don’t want Telstra or Optus HFC they don’t buy it, most don’t, it’s called opt-in.

        2. The HFC rollout was not funded by the taxpayer, any investment risk is worn by Telstra and Optus, if it falls on its arse the taxpayer is not wearing the bill.

        ROFL is right, and I think I will add ‘wry smile’ for good measure eh PepeSan2?

        • i have NO IDEA what victory they are “celebrating”…

          i/ you can’t get 100Mbit/200GB for $78 even on Exetel NBN;

          ii/ current NBN wholesale pricing is not even close to sustainable;

          iii/ the fact that Telstra can’t generate enough interest in HFC and has to drop prices only goes to show the total bankruptcy of NBNco’s business case.

          but let’s not spoil their little party ;)

          • “i/ you can’t get 100Mbit/200GB for $78 even on Exetel NBN;”

            You can’t get a 100/40mbps 200gb plan for $78 on Telstra HFC cable.

          • @toshP300

            That’s correct, and it is indeed stating the bleeding obvious even to the pro-NBN brigade as well, (but never underestimate those special filtered glasses) , as I have been saying all along if the high speed plans of NBN FTTH is needed so bad how come Optus and Telstra HFC the highest BB speed available today have not got 100% saturation rate?

            The ludicrous scenario we have in Australia and only in Australia is that working HFC that is capable of 100Mbps is being pulled down to make way for 100Mbps FTTH because the NBN Co needs those customers to justify itself.

            Read that last through a few times, it is beyond laughable.

    • General knowledge update: HFC doesn’t use the NBN, until HFC is shut down they are both competitors in areas that have both (I bet the NBN Co keeps that to a minimum).

      Surely that’s not why Brunswick in inner city Melbourne is luke warm with NBN uptake with all that alternative competitive fixed line in place, not possible, it’s all those recalcitrant landlords.

      • it just gets funnier dealing with blind telstra/coalition fanbois…

        so telstra just lowered the price for no reason, not because the nbn is coming and they want to maximise hfc while they can?

        gee if i were telstra i would too, it is a wise and shrewd business move…

        doesn’t change the underlying reason for them doing so, though.

        please dream on

        • Of course you avoided the point entirely of what happens when the NBN FTTH has to compete with other fixed line technologies in first release areas, even though they are virtually giving NBN plans away under massively subsidised pilot plan pricing.

          • lol, so they will compete, after all.

            even though you’ve been telling us there’s no competition due to hfc closure… so which is it?

            but, but…

          • The ‘which is it’ is that the NBN FTTH cannot compete with existing fixed line technology on its merits.

            Given a choice the majority will give it a miss, so the grand plan of course is Labor has to make sure they cannot give it a miss.

          • crystal ball gazing again…!

            you said above, they (nbn and other fixed line technologies) compete, but previously you said they don’t compete, so again WHICH IS IT?

            do you read from a book of perpetual contradictions or is it all accidental? either way, very humorous.

            and how do you guys say it… oh that’s right… “sign me up”…

          • The ‘which is it’ is that the NBN FTTH cannot compete with existing fixed line technology on its merits.

            NBN FTTH can compete but as everyone except you has figured out socket competition is pointless.

            Here’s a easy question for you: Would you prefer a 16/4mbps 500gb plan for $40 on copper or a 16/4mbps 500gb plan for $40 on fibre? Don’t bring the your “boo hoo taxpayers” crap into this, this is a hypothetical scenario with two distinct private companies competing for your dollar. One rolled out fibre to your door the other copper.

            FibreCo also offers a 128/8mbps plan for $80 that you cannot afford because you are a filthy poor. CopperCo ONLY offers 16/4mbps and that is exactly what everyone gets with their CuDSL tech.

            Which do you pick?

            Look I’ll even help you out with a hint: Think about being “technology agnostic” and the other benefits that come with fibre.

          • “NBN FTTH can compete but as everyone except you has figured out socket competition is pointless.:

            No it’s not ‘everyone except you has …. ‘ at all, just in the same way you make grand statements about what is redundant and what is not based on the arrogant and totally baseless assertion that what you say by default is correct, but history of your posts in Delimiter and elsewhere shows this is incorrect.

            As for the rest of your post it the usual ‘let’s try and get this topic diverted fast onto something else’ that has nothing to do with the matter currently under discussion.

          • “No it’s not ‘everyone except you has …. ‘ at all”

            Sorry but facts are facts, it’s pretty much just you and a few other hapless ones that believe socket competition is important. News flash it’s not. You cant even come up with a compelling argument why it is.

            “As for the rest of your post it the usual ‘let’s try and get this topic diverted fast onto something else’ that has nothing to do with the matter currently under discussion”

            This has nothing to do with diverting the topic at all, would you like me to start a new thread in the forum so you can answer it? It’s a simple question and you just chose to dodge it, Why is that? You know if you answer you’ll look like a bigger fool? The thing is when you get to the crux of the issue even you cannot deny that this sort of competition serves no purpose. It’s all political and emotional for you.

          • @HC

            “Sorry but facts are facts, it’s pretty much just you and a few other hapless ones that believe socket competition is important”

            The ‘hapless ones’ include all overseas countries that have a mix of infrastructure types and even if they are in the process of rolling out FTTH they do not require the existing working BB infrastructure to be switched off and billions given to their owners to do so.

          • “they do not require the existing working BB infrastructure to be switched off blah blah blah”

            That’s right they “do not require” No one ever said it was a requirement. We are saying keeping old redundant connection types for nostalgic and emotional reasons is pointless.

            btw you still did not answer the question. Would you like me to start a new thread in the forum so you can answer it?

          • @HC

            “We are saying keeping old redundant connection types for nostalgic and emotional reasons is pointless.”

            When you say ‘we are’ you actually mean ‘just me’, so they are keeping existing working infrastructure overseas because of ’emotional and nostalgic reasons’ are they? – you actually think that is in any way a serious and rational comment to explain away all motive of any Government or Telco irrespective of what the overseas country is?

          • “When you say ‘we are’ you actually mean ‘just me”

            Nope. When I say “we” I mean everyone (That is the majority btw) besides the ones against the NBN for political and/or emotional reasons like you. It’s not hard to understand unless you want to get pedantic again.

            btw you still seem to be avoiding the question. Would you like to answer it here or would you like me to start a new thread in the forum so you can answer it in it’s own dedicated topic?

          • “Nope. When I say “we” I mean everyone (That is the majority btw)”

            yeah ok sure it is.

            ” besides the ones against the NBN for political and/or emotional reasons like you”

            I have outlined my reasons against the NBN in its present Labor form many times, and not one of them has anything to do with politics or emotion believe me, the Coalition have lot a work to do on their policy as well, but then again they have plenty of time until 2013 to do that, it’s also unfortunate you have to parrot the tired Pepe/RS/Rizz rants about individuals posting motivations, which of course he knows FA about.

            “btw you still seem to be avoiding the question. Would you like to answer it here or would you like me to start a new thread in the forum so you can answer it in it’s own dedicated topic?”

            I don’t care what you do.

          • “yeah ok sure it is.”

            I’m sorry you find it so hard to accept facts but the simple fact of the matter is more people are in favor of the NBN.

            “I have outlined my reasons against the NBN in its present Labor form many times, and not one of them has anything to do with politics blah blah blah”

            That is political and emotional. You have never come up with a logical reason why the NBN should not built. Every reason you give is based on political reasons and emotive rhetoric, it might work over on simpleton websites like The Australian but here in the real world you have to come up with something more substantive instead of “NO! NO! NO!”

            “I don’t care what you do.”

            So you are refusing to answer this simple question? I am not surprised. You know there is an answer you could have given that would have allowed you to save face. Unfortunately you don’t seem to be capable of figuring it out :-(

          • Umm Alain’s arguments aren’t emotional or political at all, its just that you don’t agree with them.

            In fact you saying that everyone is like regarding the NBN debate is whats bringing this whole thing down to the personal level

          • “Umm Alain’s arguments aren’t emotional or political at all, its just that you don’t agree with them.”

            alians arguments are not only emotional and political they are also ill-informed. Much like your own.

            “whole thing down to the personal level”

            It’s not personal at all (not for me anyway) Just calling how it is. That is the nature of the anti-NBN crusaders unfortunately. There is no where to go after their failed arguments have been debunked and destroyed. As the desperation sets in they can only fall back on political and emotional arguments… they are a very angry and paranoid group.

          • @HC

            “There is no where to go after their failed arguments have been debunked and destroyed.”

            Except that never happens, but you can dream I suppose, there is a hell of a lot of dreaming in pro-NBN argument.

  2. *and even more of a pain migrating back to an ADSL provider if you do decide eventually to leave Telstra in the dust.*

    Not really on this plan.
    You are also getting line rental as well.
    Too bad I live in a Unit and can’t get this :(

  3. *This leads me to something that has confounded me for the last few years of my working life, which is why more customers don’t choose to be with us on our BigPond Cable broadband product.*

    i.e. Telstra has failed to extract a pricing premium for premium broadband products in the demographically most attractive suburbs. which is totally consistent with overseas FTTH market demand/pricing experience and the precise reason why NBNco will GO BANKRUPT if it proceeds as planned in pushing fibre to Whoop Whoop.

    gee, i wonder how that meeting btw Quigley and Turnbull is going… are they comparing charts or Rolexes…

    • perhaps the hfc plans have simply been to expensive?

      for example, i know of at least one person who, when telstra announced this said… “sign me up”…

      who was that?

      LOL

        • i’d suggest they will be/have been trying to push each other out of the way to get first interview…

          with the Australian, of course ;-)

          • But of course anything you two say is going to happen never happens anyway, but never mind carry on.

            Of course It doesn’t need ONE little plan price drop from Telstra to indicate the NBN is not needed in its present rolls royce billion dollar fibre all form.

          • examples of what i have said which are incorrect please?

            and… would you like me to supply one of your’s too, including contradictions?

          • “examples of what i have said which are incorrect please?”

            “i’d suggest they will be/have been trying to push each other out of the way to get first interview…

            with the Australian, of course”

            link from the Australian please, otherwise it is incorrect.

            Of course the ultimate clanger repeated over and over:

            “as i have mentioned many times previously…

            is there one person out there who opposes the nbn, who is not politically motivated to do so…”

            He do you determine all anti-NBN posters are politically motivated, or is that statement incorrect?

          • But of course anything you two say is going to happen never happens anyway, but never mind carry on.

            So far I’ve been right about everything regarding the NBN. I don’t expect this trend to discontinue. I’m sorry you find this so upsetting.

          • “btw who do you think will claim this latest news as a reason the NBN is not needed first: Paul “derp” Fletcher or Malcolm Turnbull?”

            So where is the ‘latest news’ link that has this happened?

          • “So where is the ‘latest news’ link that has this happened?”

            You seem to be very confused. The “latest news” is the information contained in this article. The question is who will claim it as a reason the NBN is not needed first. If you believe neither will place your bet on that and stop your whining.

          • “The question is who will claim it as a reason the NBN is not needed first.”

            So how long do we wait, until 2020 or the election of 2013?

          • Election of 2013 is fine by me. Just to clarify you believe neither will mention this price drop and cite it as a reason the NBN is not needed?

  4. You say “To be honest, I’m not quite sure what Telstra is playing at here.”
    Remember the Government is giving Telstra X amount of money for every customer they convert from HFC to NBN as part of the deal…
    Telstra’s solution… get as many customers as possible onto HFC.. when you’re on HFC is is very hard for you to move to a competitor as you would if you were on Copper PSTN (Fast Churn) then when NBN comes around.. Telstra have a few extra thousand customer on HFC which they will received a payment to move to NBN.

    • “Remember the Government is giving Telstra X amount of money for every customer they convert from HFC to NBN as part of the deal…”

      What does that all important X in your statement represent?

    • @Jason

      Update:

      I suggest you and your gleeful +1 supporters read the Telstra Explanatory Memorandum from the shareholder meeting from the 18th of this month about how the ‘Payments for Disconnection and access to Infrastructure’ are actually made before leaping in feet first about the motivation why Telstra has released this latest cable plan price drop to get more customers on board.

      • they get paid for every copper disconnection (incl. LSS/ULL).

        can’t blame him. even Primus (or some other ISP) has been quoted in media spreading FUD with off the cuff comments drawing a connection btw Telstra grabbing customers and NBNco disconnection payments.

  5. It’s only for NEW customers.

    How much does Telstra get to migrate their customers to the NBN?

  6. They are likely to be paid $2000 for each customer that gets transfered from their network to the NBN

  7. “They are likely to be paid $2000 for each customer that gets transfered from their network to the NBN”

    This is one of the key reasons why Telstra have been highly competitive within the ADSL market, and now HFC. It’s also why Wholesale isn’t cming into line with retail.

    Make it “too good to be true” and all the customers that left, return. So Telstra shaves $20 per month off a plan; over 10 months that’s $200. 100 months, it’s $2000. That’s ~8.3 years.

    Telstra has never been charitable. Remember, Bigpond are a “premium” ISP hence the premimum prices :)

    The timing of Telstra “suddenly” being competitive (and maintain an artifically higher wholesale rate over retail) happened around the same time Telstra decided to be in (draft) support of the NBN. Obviously just random timing.

  8. Given the trends being indicated in opinion polls, the NBN as we know it probably won’t be finished and as a result the HFC network won’t be turned off.
    But, the Coalition are promising to split Telstra.
    So my take out of this announcement is that Telstra are trying to become more competitive, and that they’re not worried about losing too many HFC customers. It seems this is reactionary more to Coalition policy than Labor policy. Just my two cents.

    • interesting take tim…

      perhaps it’s a bit of all of both, primarily making it a win/win for telstra, regardless of who’s in power.

      looking at jason’s thoughts and your’s, perhaps this is an even more shrewd move of telstra’s part than it first appeared on the surface, which could pave the way for further price reductions?

  9. The stated $20 discount is incorrect. The discount is actually $10.

    The $99/month price includes an optional $11/month for TBox – meaning the normal bundle price is $88/month.

    The $78/month offer doesn’t include the TBox, so the discount is $88 – $78 = $10/month

  10. Disclosure up front: I work for Telstra. But I have no special knowledge of anything related to any of this and I am *so* not talking for the company.

    One thing most commenters seem to have missed is that Telstra also sell some extra services to BigPond cable/ADSL customers. Foxtel on T-Box/XBox360 (you can get it on the 360 without BigPond internet service, but it’s unmetered on BigPond IIRC). BigPond Movies is unmetered on BigPond connections for customers with T-Box or Samsung/LG TV sets. Probably some other stuff I’ve not thought of right now.

    No idea how much money any of this stuff makes, but it must be profitable (or expected to be profitable) if they’re doing it, so…

    There’s a big push to play hard but fair, to be competitive. Not really surprised to see some discounting in this area regardless of any other stuff that might be going on.

    • “There’s a big push to play hard but fair, to be competitive.”

      It would appear Telstra Wholesale didn’t get the memo. Apparently they’re just playing hard.

      To be fair (pun intended) I don’t expect you to reply to that – but the comment doesn’t make sense outside of retail circles. ;)

      • I can only speak for what the corporate training materials say, no idea what any particular area might actually be doing. :)

        On the retail side I’d noticed prices — particularly for mobile services — getting pretty competitive long before I started working for them. A premium, sure, but nothing like it used to be. So it’s no great shock that things might be going that way on the consumer broadband side too.

        (I don’t work in any of the related areas, no info, etc. #insert )

  11. Amazing how everything related to internet access turns into a debate about the NBN.

    I personally am on record on this very site, in a highly viewed and commented article as being somewhat opposed to the NBN. I think it is a very expensive public works project that doesn’t create that many jobs and is being carried out at a time of economic uncertainty when I would prefer the government keeping its powder dry, just in case the China bubble bursts or the Euro falls apart.

    That said, I’m a Telstra Elite Customer on the 200GB plan. I dislike how Telstra offers these “discounts” to new customers and doesn’t pass along the goodies to existing customers. Its so much better to keep a good customer like me than to attract people looking for the lowest price all the time.

    I have two mobiles with Telstra, Bigpond and Foxtel (albeit direct, not with Telstra).

    When the HFC network is turned off and I’m moved to the NBN, which frankly I doubt will happen in the next five years, but anyway… When the time comes, you know what I’m going to remember? I’m going to remember that my neighbour paid $20 less a month than me and got 100MB connect and I didn’t because I had the “cheek” of being a long term Telstra customer. So then I’ll switch.

    If Telstra were really being strategic, they’d be going in hard on ALL customers of the HFC network, hooking them on higher bandwidth at lower prices, so when the NBN does arrive, people won’t feel the compelling need to change because Telstra had been giving them the best deal around.

    Someone once told me, if you offer an ongoing fee based service and you cut your price, the first beneficiaries MUST be your existing customers. You dance with the one who brung ya.

    • i think you’re being a tad too harsh on Telstra.

      this temporary offer which expires in Dec is probably a marketing research exercise by Telstra to “test the market” — i.e. gauge consumer price sensitivity for 100Mbit products in the prime markets of Sydney and Melbourne.

      notice how one ISP proudly boasted about being the first to the market in announcing NBN pricing, only to be forced to revise their prices pretty soon thereafter. (chopping and changing is hardly good PR.)

      not suprisingly, the bigger telcos are more cautious and meticulous in refining and fine-tuning their marketing strategies and place greater emphasis on hard empirical data which they are in a better position to acquire.

      • “not suprisingly, the bigger telcos are more cautious and meticulous in refining and fine-tuning their marketing strategies and place greater emphasis on hard empirical data which they are in a better position to acquire.”

        The current marketing strategy of course as far as Telstra is concerned is discounting and upgrading cable ,installing more ‘top hat’ services for ADSL2+ and flogging Telstra LTE with a massive marketing campaign – NBN what’s that?

  12. HFC is a beautiful thing because it is unregulated. They can charge whatever they like for it, massively undercutting the competition if they like.

    They’re taking it to the NBN and Optus HFC (where performance is abysmal at best), because they can. This being a cable-only offer, they are acknowledging that DSL doesn’t even compare and promoting the speed and reliability of Telstra cable. Bravo, it’s about time. They will probably poach thousands of other-provider DSL customers.

    And once you’re hooked on 38mbps/108mbps cable, there’s no way in hell you’d go back to pathetic DSL, so they’ve got you locked in for as long as it takes until you get NBN. Kind of brilliant when you think about it.

    Great for customers, great for Telstra. Everyone wins.

  13. I dont know if anyone has said this but its only $10 cheaper, the $99 play comes with tbox and this one doesnt, it was $88 before.

  14. Note that it is actually Homeline Budget with this bundle, not Homeline Ultimate as written above. It is a $10 discount.

  15. Oh look. Perth, Adelaide and Beisbane customers made to pay more for less yet again. go Telstra

    • Give them a call and see what they can do for you. I’m in Adelaide and did just that. The consultant was able to give me a “special” $10 discount thus matching the offer.

  16. If you live in Melbourne this is a top deal as its ultimate cable (upto 100mps) compatible. Homeline budget, messagebank and calling number display and Telstra plus is included. Modem charge 149.95, free install otherwise. Make up your own mind, I think its decent for the price and comparable to alot of offers out there.

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