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	<title>Comments on: Oh dear: Mark Newton&#8217;s epic government rant</title>
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		<title>By: wheelyweb</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/06/30/oh-dear-mark-newtons-epic-government-rant/#comment-11725</link>
		<dc:creator>wheelyweb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 23:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a related note: we have only ourselves to blame:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGyPTndqms

A story from a former Canadian Premier on Fat Cats and how we choose to allow them to remain in power

happy canada day! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a related note: we have only ourselves to blame:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGyPTndqms" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGyPTndqms</a></p>
<p>A story from a former Canadian Premier on Fat Cats and how we choose to allow them to remain in power</p>
<p>happy canada day! ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: wheelyweb</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/06/30/oh-dear-mark-newtons-epic-government-rant/#comment-11724</link>
		<dc:creator>wheelyweb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 23:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scathing, but completely true.

This Government has literally no idea what it’s doing with the online environment, and has shown an outright refusal to be educated about it. Is it any wonder that so many people distrust them?

And even more scathing, or embarassing, is, we let them do this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scathing, but completely true.</p>
<p>This Government has literally no idea what it’s doing with the online environment, and has shown an outright refusal to be educated about it. Is it any wonder that so many people distrust them?</p>
<p>And even more scathing, or embarassing, is, we let them do this.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/06/30/oh-dear-mark-newtons-epic-government-rant/#comment-11615</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 04:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s an oh dear at all.

At the end of the day, we can repeat ourselves ad infinitum about the technology morons who are meddling in things they have no hope of understanding. Or we can do what Mark has done and try to get them to wake up.

Is it out of place? I don&#039;t think so. Have you watched a typical question time? It was mild compared to the behaviour of our overpaid politicians, who&#039;ve got teams of spin doctors and bureaucrats refining their every word in attacking one another.

If politicians are children - and they certainly seem to be - then they are naughty little children who need to be disciplined. We have to try to get through to them. Disagree with the method if you will, but at least applaud him for standing up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s an oh dear at all.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, we can repeat ourselves ad infinitum about the technology morons who are meddling in things they have no hope of understanding. Or we can do what Mark has done and try to get them to wake up.</p>
<p>Is it out of place? I don&#8217;t think so. Have you watched a typical question time? It was mild compared to the behaviour of our overpaid politicians, who&#8217;ve got teams of spin doctors and bureaucrats refining their every word in attacking one another.</p>
<p>If politicians are children &#8211; and they certainly seem to be &#8211; then they are naughty little children who need to be disciplined. We have to try to get through to them. Disagree with the method if you will, but at least applaud him for standing up.</p>
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		<title>By: listers_cat</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/06/30/oh-dear-mark-newtons-epic-government-rant/#comment-11340</link>
		<dc:creator>listers_cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 06:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark&#039;s arguments are quite good, but I think the vitriol should have been left out of the submission given his audience. Just becuase something sounds good in an opinion piece, doesn&#039;t mean it should be said in a submission to a Parliamentary Committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark&#8217;s arguments are quite good, but I think the vitriol should have been left out of the submission given his audience. Just becuase something sounds good in an opinion piece, doesn&#8217;t mean it should be said in a submission to a Parliamentary Committee.</p>
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		<title>By: Avril</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/06/30/oh-dear-mark-newtons-epic-government-rant/#comment-11339</link>
		<dc:creator>Avril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree with @trib and others above.  At the moment, this issue only affects a small group of us, so we are effectively &#039;preaching to the converted&#039;.  Those who simply use a computer to get their work done and haven&#039;t the slightest bit of interest in computers otherwise, aren&#039;t really aware of this issue and it&#039;s future consequences.

How do we simplify this issue and counteract Conroy&#039;s political soundbyte of &quot;I&#039;m not into opting into child porn&quot;. (Which to us is one of the dumbest things he has ever said, but the &#039;general population&#039; may buy it).

The real issue here is censorship and control of information - and we need to convey this in a way the &#039;average Aussie&#039; understands.  Maybe a sports themed metaphor?  Say, imagine watching a football match with chunks missing out of it, because it has been censored and considered &#039;too rough or violent&#039;.  Football codes in general have been altering their rules over the years in an attempt to limit contact between players, despite it being a contact sport, and many a fan misses the &#039;good old days&#039; when there was a &#039;bit of biff&#039;. Take it to the next stage for them - censorship - and they might finally realise it is about our freedom as adults, to decide what we want to see, not what the government deems fit.

I&#039;m sure someone can come up with a better metaphor to appeal to the wider public, this is just an example off the top of my head, to get us all thinking.

We also need to explain in as simple way as possible, that this will NOT solve the issue of child pronography because that is shared on an underground network where users send content to each other directly - and if it travels through an ISP, it looks like any other data and cannot be detected.  And that we would be much better off putting money and resources into the hands of people who can track down these predators and provide solid evidence to have them prosecuted.

Unless we come up with a strategy, this issue will disappear during the election and not raise it&#039;s ugly head again until it is possibly too late.  If Labour are re-elected, we KNOW Stephen Conroy will say he has a mandate and go ahead with it.  And once it gets through as legislation - it will be extremely difficult to undo it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree with @trib and others above.  At the moment, this issue only affects a small group of us, so we are effectively &#8216;preaching to the converted&#8217;.  Those who simply use a computer to get their work done and haven&#8217;t the slightest bit of interest in computers otherwise, aren&#8217;t really aware of this issue and it&#8217;s future consequences.</p>
<p>How do we simplify this issue and counteract Conroy&#8217;s political soundbyte of &#8220;I&#8217;m not into opting into child porn&#8221;. (Which to us is one of the dumbest things he has ever said, but the &#8216;general population&#8217; may buy it).</p>
<p>The real issue here is censorship and control of information &#8211; and we need to convey this in a way the &#8216;average Aussie&#8217; understands.  Maybe a sports themed metaphor?  Say, imagine watching a football match with chunks missing out of it, because it has been censored and considered &#8216;too rough or violent&#8217;.  Football codes in general have been altering their rules over the years in an attempt to limit contact between players, despite it being a contact sport, and many a fan misses the &#8216;good old days&#8217; when there was a &#8216;bit of biff&#8217;. Take it to the next stage for them &#8211; censorship &#8211; and they might finally realise it is about our freedom as adults, to decide what we want to see, not what the government deems fit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure someone can come up with a better metaphor to appeal to the wider public, this is just an example off the top of my head, to get us all thinking.</p>
<p>We also need to explain in as simple way as possible, that this will NOT solve the issue of child pronography because that is shared on an underground network where users send content to each other directly &#8211; and if it travels through an ISP, it looks like any other data and cannot be detected.  And that we would be much better off putting money and resources into the hands of people who can track down these predators and provide solid evidence to have them prosecuted.</p>
<p>Unless we come up with a strategy, this issue will disappear during the election and not raise it&#8217;s ugly head again until it is possibly too late.  If Labour are re-elected, we KNOW Stephen Conroy will say he has a mandate and go ahead with it.  And once it gets through as legislation &#8211; it will be extremely difficult to undo it.</p>
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		<title>By: Settimo</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/06/30/oh-dear-mark-newtons-epic-government-rant/#comment-11336</link>
		<dc:creator>Settimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 05:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Newton, you are my hero!</description>
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		<title>By: franksting</title>
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		<dc:creator>franksting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 04:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely agreed Sean - mores the pity.
Its why reading David Ramli&#039;s article on the filter over at the ARN the other day was so depressing. I tweeted about it  at the time: http://twitter.com/franksting/statuses/17315595180
So the questions then are;
- How do we translate Mark&#039;s submission into something that the entire population will understand and empathise with so as to change their attitudes to Cybersafety?
- And what is the best economic argument to keep it front and centre in their minds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely agreed Sean &#8211; mores the pity.<br />
Its why reading David Ramli&#8217;s article on the filter over at the ARN the other day was so depressing. I tweeted about it  at the time: <a href="http://twitter.com/franksting/statuses/17315595180" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/franksting/statuses/17315595180</a><br />
So the questions then are;<br />
- How do we translate Mark&#8217;s submission into something that the entire population will understand and empathise with so as to change their attitudes to Cybersafety?<br />
- And what is the best economic argument to keep it front and centre in their minds?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/06/30/oh-dear-mark-newtons-epic-government-rant/#comment-11328</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 04:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark&#039;s essay mirrors my own opinion. But let&#039;s be honest this will only ever be read and understood by a small minority. These issues simply do not appear on the radar of the average Australian family. The people around me simply do not even care about these issues. What they do care about is who won the footy on the weekend, or what they need to do to keep paying the bills and mortgage, or what sport they are taking their kid to on what day, or how do they keep their job.

Let&#039;s face it we are not a particularly intellectual nation and few people really give a damn about issues that do not affect their hip pocket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark&#8217;s essay mirrors my own opinion. But let&#8217;s be honest this will only ever be read and understood by a small minority. These issues simply do not appear on the radar of the average Australian family. The people around me simply do not even care about these issues. What they do care about is who won the footy on the weekend, or what they need to do to keep paying the bills and mortgage, or what sport they are taking their kid to on what day, or how do they keep their job.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it we are not a particularly intellectual nation and few people really give a damn about issues that do not affect their hip pocket.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 04:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Utterly and completely awesome.  I read the whole thing (work, lunchtime) and couldn&#039;t stop saying &quot;YES!  YES!  EFFING YES!!!&quot;

Now, how do we strap Conroy down and make him read it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Utterly and completely awesome.  I read the whole thing (work, lunchtime) and couldn&#8217;t stop saying &#8220;YES!  YES!  EFFING YES!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, how do we strap Conroy down and make him read it?</p>
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		<title>By: Mikel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 03:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Image credit: Newton on SBS’s Insider program, believed to be permitted under fair use&quot;

Presumably you mean &quot;Insight&quot; rather than &quot;Insider&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Image credit: Newton on SBS’s Insider program, believed to be permitted under fair use&#8221;</p>
<p>Presumably you mean &#8220;Insight&#8221; rather than &#8220;Insider&#8221;?</p>
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