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	<title>Comments on: Exetel&#8217;s NBN pricing: Cheap as chips</title>
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		<title>By: Kenneth T</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/05/03/exetels-nbn-pricing-cheap-as-chips/#comment-6996</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 07:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y&#039;know, Australia and New Zealand are the only (or at most, AMONG THE FEW) countries in the world where broadband quotas exist.  As a new migrant to Oz, I can say this for a fact.  Where I came from, broadband is priced according to speed, with unlimited data downloads/uploads.  Many an European and Asian fellow-students I&#039;ve come across were infuriarated when they first encountered this &quot;quota system&quot; when they first arrived here.

So I do disagree with some of the comments posted before this.

Ozzies have become so accustomed to data quotas and caps that they no longer question why it&#039;s being imposed.  Corporates in other countries provide unlimited downloads/uploads at reasonable, affordable prices...why isn&#039;t it done here?  The answer is simple...the industry continues to collude to take advantage of this weakness/ignorance amongst us Ozzie consumers.  And then you have Ozzies spouting the &quot;limited bandwidth should be metered etc&quot; line as gospel truth.

It&#039;s a sad, sad situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;know, Australia and New Zealand are the only (or at most, AMONG THE FEW) countries in the world where broadband quotas exist.  As a new migrant to Oz, I can say this for a fact.  Where I came from, broadband is priced according to speed, with unlimited data downloads/uploads.  Many an European and Asian fellow-students I&#8217;ve come across were infuriarated when they first encountered this &#8220;quota system&#8221; when they first arrived here.</p>
<p>So I do disagree with some of the comments posted before this.</p>
<p>Ozzies have become so accustomed to data quotas and caps that they no longer question why it&#8217;s being imposed.  Corporates in other countries provide unlimited downloads/uploads at reasonable, affordable prices&#8230;why isn&#8217;t it done here?  The answer is simple&#8230;the industry continues to collude to take advantage of this weakness/ignorance amongst us Ozzie consumers.  And then you have Ozzies spouting the &#8220;limited bandwidth should be metered etc&#8221; line as gospel truth.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a sad, sad situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Delimiter &#8211; Is Exetel&#8217;s NBN pricing for real?</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/05/03/exetels-nbn-pricing-cheap-as-chips/#comment-4838</link>
		<dc:creator>Delimiter &#8211; Is Exetel&#8217;s NBN pricing for real?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 01:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When Exetel chief John Linton (pictured) this week revealed the ISP&#8217;s projected National Broadband Network pricing for Tasmania, my first thought was: &#8220;Is this for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] When Exetel chief John Linton (pictured) this week revealed the ISP&#8217;s projected National Broadband Network pricing for Tasmania, my first thought was: &#8220;Is this for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter H</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/05/03/exetels-nbn-pricing-cheap-as-chips/#comment-4807</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 13:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what John C Dvorak has been saying for at least 2 years - metered internet, just like water, power &amp; gas.  Bandwidth is not unlimited and should be charged as such.  And heavy users (such as myself) should not be subsidised by the low-usage &quot;mums &amp; dads&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what John C Dvorak has been saying for at least 2 years &#8211; metered internet, just like water, power &amp; gas.  Bandwidth is not unlimited and should be charged as such.  And heavy users (such as myself) should not be subsidised by the low-usage &#8220;mums &amp; dads&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: CW</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/05/03/exetels-nbn-pricing-cheap-as-chips/#comment-4669</link>
		<dc:creator>CW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 07:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@renai &quot;I dunno Wolf, I think Exetel’s pricing models look pretty good.&quot;

I have real concern for the quality of the service you would receive, it would appear to me that Exetel would find it difficult to forward plan the capacity required in their network if the subscriber does not provide the indication.

I believe the better indicators for users network utilisation for capacity planning today is quota and not link speeds. I am genuinely interested in how they would address it, maybe they are relying on competitors offering more cost effective plans than 1$/GB for 100GB. Therefore assuming high users will not use their service.

Another idea I have pondered is a monthly service fee that provides access to a network and determines the access speeds/conditions etc. coupled with a prepaid data allowance. When you have expended all your data perhaps you have severely shaped data access that you might be able to use like when shaped on ADSL now.

But you can buy prepaid data allowances to be used at full access speeds, this might allow a provider to capacity plan based on current allocated data allowances across the network. Although this also presents a problem is so much as it decouples the time period it is to be used within unless they only last 30days from time activated or something.

It will be interesting to see how the NBN changes the plans offered to consumers, especially if it truly does break the current rules that we have to play by thanks to the incumbent.

It is great to see a new approach though, hopefully it does work for them.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@renai &#8220;I dunno Wolf, I think Exetel’s pricing models look pretty good.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have real concern for the quality of the service you would receive, it would appear to me that Exetel would find it difficult to forward plan the capacity required in their network if the subscriber does not provide the indication.</p>
<p>I believe the better indicators for users network utilisation for capacity planning today is quota and not link speeds. I am genuinely interested in how they would address it, maybe they are relying on competitors offering more cost effective plans than 1$/GB for 100GB. Therefore assuming high users will not use their service.</p>
<p>Another idea I have pondered is a monthly service fee that provides access to a network and determines the access speeds/conditions etc. coupled with a prepaid data allowance. When you have expended all your data perhaps you have severely shaped data access that you might be able to use like when shaped on ADSL now.</p>
<p>But you can buy prepaid data allowances to be used at full access speeds, this might allow a provider to capacity plan based on current allocated data allowances across the network. Although this also presents a problem is so much as it decouples the time period it is to be used within unless they only last 30days from time activated or something.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see how the NBN changes the plans offered to consumers, especially if it truly does break the current rules that we have to play by thanks to the incumbent.</p>
<p>It is great to see a new approach though, hopefully it does work for them.</p>
<p>This could be enough</p>
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		<title>By: Renai LeMay</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/05/03/exetels-nbn-pricing-cheap-as-chips/#comment-4665</link>
		<dc:creator>Renai LeMay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 05:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I&#039;m all for user pays scaling as well -- it would avoid any speed limiting situations. The problem is the setup we have at the moment has resulted from two factors -- ISPs doing well out of users not using their full quota which they have paid for every month, and the massive tantrum the media throws whenever some uninfomed user goes over their limit and has a $200 bill. Shaping #fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I&#8217;m all for user pays scaling as well &#8212; it would avoid any speed limiting situations. The problem is the setup we have at the moment has resulted from two factors &#8212; ISPs doing well out of users not using their full quota which they have paid for every month, and the massive tantrum the media throws whenever some uninfomed user goes over their limit and has a $200 bill. Shaping #fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Myke</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/05/03/exetels-nbn-pricing-cheap-as-chips/#comment-4662</link>
		<dc:creator>Myke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 05:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/me cheers!

$1/Gb is high, but it leads us in the correct direction - USER PAYS NO FREE RIDES.

One day we may get to scaling user pays: $1/G first 20G $0.5/G next 20G, $0.2 after that (or whatever eventually merging with wholesale prices)

The current BS of discourage use via harsh $ penalties for over use or speed limiting.  It all leads to customer dissatisfaction.  Why not encourage users to ... use.  I don&#039;t want to buy another XGb chunk - I just want to download this one file this month, with the knowledge that I&#039;m not going to get shafted for it.

Keep it clean and transparent, keep the bean counters well away from it all so consumers don&#039;t feel like they&#039;re getting cleverly shafted for not paying attention.

I too have downloaded a large file at the end of the month, &#039;just cause I&#039;ve payed for it anyway&#039;, it&#039;s all pntless BS.

People spend more when they feel good about it, it&#039;s proven fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/me cheers!</p>
<p>$1/Gb is high, but it leads us in the correct direction &#8211; USER PAYS NO FREE RIDES.</p>
<p>One day we may get to scaling user pays: $1/G first 20G $0.5/G next 20G, $0.2 after that (or whatever eventually merging with wholesale prices)</p>
<p>The current BS of discourage use via harsh $ penalties for over use or speed limiting.  It all leads to customer dissatisfaction.  Why not encourage users to &#8230; use.  I don&#8217;t want to buy another XGb chunk &#8211; I just want to download this one file this month, with the knowledge that I&#8217;m not going to get shafted for it.</p>
<p>Keep it clean and transparent, keep the bean counters well away from it all so consumers don&#8217;t feel like they&#8217;re getting cleverly shafted for not paying attention.</p>
<p>I too have downloaded a large file at the end of the month, &#8216;just cause I&#8217;ve payed for it anyway&#8217;, it&#8217;s all pntless BS.</p>
<p>People spend more when they feel good about it, it&#8217;s proven fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Renai LeMay</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/05/03/exetels-nbn-pricing-cheap-as-chips/#comment-4658</link>
		<dc:creator>Renai LeMay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 04:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm I agree with you Jose about increasing our data consumption -- but that&#039;s in the medium to long term, not in the short term. If you look at the short term, what is likely to happen is that most users are not likely to download much more at all under the NBN. And so John Linton&#039;s pricing plans simply reflect that reality and do not pander to the early adopter crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm I agree with you Jose about increasing our data consumption &#8212; but that&#8217;s in the medium to long term, not in the short term. If you look at the short term, what is likely to happen is that most users are not likely to download much more at all under the NBN. And so John Linton&#8217;s pricing plans simply reflect that reality and do not pander to the early adopter crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: Renai LeMay</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/05/03/exetels-nbn-pricing-cheap-as-chips/#comment-4657</link>
		<dc:creator>Renai LeMay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 04:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno Wolf, I think Exetel&#039;s pricing models look pretty good. If you take the average user, who might download something like 10gb a month max, they could pay something like $10 a month for a fibre connection under Exetel&#039;s ideas. Sounds pretty fantastic to me.

I do take your point about Ferraris and so on. And users like me (being an early technology adopter) will definitely want to use the NBN fibre to its full potential. But a lot of people simply won&#039;t -- perhaps most people -- and that&#039;s the market Exetel are clearly going for here.

Kudos to John Linton for some outside the box thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno Wolf, I think Exetel&#8217;s pricing models look pretty good. If you take the average user, who might download something like 10gb a month max, they could pay something like $10 a month for a fibre connection under Exetel&#8217;s ideas. Sounds pretty fantastic to me.</p>
<p>I do take your point about Ferraris and so on. And users like me (being an early technology adopter) will definitely want to use the NBN fibre to its full potential. But a lot of people simply won&#8217;t &#8212; perhaps most people &#8212; and that&#8217;s the market Exetel are clearly going for here.</p>
<p>Kudos to John Linton for some outside the box thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose Fajardo</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/05/03/exetels-nbn-pricing-cheap-as-chips/#comment-4656</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose Fajardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 04:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it 1/gb that is still way too expensive. The NBN will no doubt allow every user to increase there consumption of data YET your capping us to the old world data consumption rates..

It&#039;s stupid to think that poeples consumption will stay the same. I guarantee you that once we can download dvd size files in minutes we&#039;ll increase our consumption. Especially with services like Xbox Live. 

NBN is redundant if it means we pay the same price for the same amount of download!!! (even if it comes down to us quicker).. complete wrought if you ask me!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it 1/gb that is still way too expensive. The NBN will no doubt allow every user to increase there consumption of data YET your capping us to the old world data consumption rates..</p>
<p>It&#8217;s stupid to think that poeples consumption will stay the same. I guarantee you that once we can download dvd size files in minutes we&#8217;ll increase our consumption. Especially with services like Xbox Live. </p>
<p>NBN is redundant if it means we pay the same price for the same amount of download!!! (even if it comes down to us quicker).. complete wrought if you ask me!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Wolf Cocklin</title>
		<link>http://delimiter.com.au/2010/05/03/exetels-nbn-pricing-cheap-as-chips/#comment-4654</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolf Cocklin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 04:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that people are trying to leverage current pricing models into a completely new way of thinking.  Per Gb charges will bankrupt people if they can download at up to 100Mbps 

Once again we are giving people the keys to a Ferrari and telling them to reverse out of the driveway at full speed then walk to their destination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that people are trying to leverage current pricing models into a completely new way of thinking.  Per Gb charges will bankrupt people if they can download at up to 100Mbps </p>
<p>Once again we are giving people the keys to a Ferrari and telling them to reverse out of the driveway at full speed then walk to their destination.</p>
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