Comments on: Cloud email’s Australian thunderstorm http://delimiter.com.au/2010/02/09/cloud-emails-australian-thunderstorm/ Just Australia. Just technology. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:03:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: TexasSwede http://delimiter.com.au/2010/02/09/cloud-emails-australian-thunderstorm/#comment-51346 TexasSwede Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:32:55 +0000 http://delimiter.com.au/?p=819#comment-51346 Gmail outage: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/02/28/gmail-outage-passes-24-hours-for-some/ and http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20037019-93.html Blog by Marie Scott from University of Virginia about the outage (they were affected): http://crashtestchix.com/2011/02/28/google-account-issue-a-little-cloudy/ And this is also interesting: The Google Factor http://crashtestchix.com/2011/02/28/the-google-factor/ Gmail outage: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/02/28/gmail-outage-passes-24-hours-for-some/ and http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20037019-93.html

Blog by Marie Scott from University of Virginia about the outage (they were affected):
http://crashtestchix.com/2011/02/28/google-account-issue-a-little-cloudy/

And this is also interesting: The Google Factor
http://crashtestchix.com/2011/02/28/the-google-factor/

]]> By: Delimiter – Oh dear: How Lotus can win Qantas back http://delimiter.com.au/2010/02/09/cloud-emails-australian-thunderstorm/#comment-1083 Delimiter – Oh dear: How Lotus can win Qantas back Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:12:16 +0000 http://delimiter.com.au/?p=819#comment-1083 [...] we wonder, would Brooks think of the news that Qantas flight attendants are encouraged to use their own personal email — Gmail or Hotmail — for work-related [...] [...] we wonder, would Brooks think of the news that Qantas flight attendants are encouraged to use their own personal email — Gmail or Hotmail — for work-related [...]

]]> By: Dylan Jay http://delimiter.com.au/2010/02/09/cloud-emails-australian-thunderstorm/#comment-816 Dylan Jay Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:12:26 +0000 http://delimiter.com.au/?p=819#comment-816 Cloud to me means a separation between service and physical infrastructure. As a client you don't worry about capacity and scaling. The capability of doing that is now within a lot of peoples grasp. You don't have to be with google to make something that scales. Cloud to me means a separation between service and physical infrastructure. As a client you don’t worry about capacity and scaling. The capability of doing that is now within a lot of peoples grasp. You don’t have to be with google to make something that scales.

]]> By: Renai LeMay http://delimiter.com.au/2010/02/09/cloud-emails-australian-thunderstorm/#comment-811 Renai LeMay Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:06:37 +0000 http://delimiter.com.au/?p=819#comment-811 Interesting points. I do think the channel is interesting, but I don't really have the background to interact with it too much. And I have a feeling the channel is more about business than it is about technology -- so maybe a little tangential for me. I must say that I do feel that the channel is not best positioned to provide cloud services as well. I see true cloud computing services as being hosted by people like Amazon and Google, not locally hosted versions -- I'm not sure that is really "cloud". However, I will keep an eye on the companies you mention here! :) Interesting points. I do think the channel is interesting, but I don’t really have the background to interact with it too much. And I have a feeling the channel is more about business than it is about technology — so maybe a little tangential for me.

I must say that I do feel that the channel is not best positioned to provide cloud services as well. I see true cloud computing services as being hosted by people like Amazon and Google, not locally hosted versions — I’m not sure that is really “cloud”.

However, I will keep an eye on the companies you mention here! :)

]]> By: Peter Holland http://delimiter.com.au/2010/02/09/cloud-emails-australian-thunderstorm/#comment-781 Peter Holland Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:01:52 +0000 http://delimiter.com.au/?p=819#comment-781 David, Pete and Renai, this is why the channel is so important to the success of SME within the Cloud arena. Google have no datacentres in australia, you lose control of your data fairly quickly, and it exists in a server in another part of the world. There are companies that are both local and relatively cheap in the perspective of how they operate. One is only new, the other has been around for a little while. Network Presence is based in Sydney - they have virtual servers and hosting services, and are aimed as the catalyst between SME and their end users - they provide the hosting infrastructure so you don't have to. The company is run by two locals, Richard Siggs ran a very successful ISP in Canberra called Spirit Networks, his partner, Andrew Mclennan runs an ISP on the south coast called SCoastNet. They both came from a company I worked at, many years ago, Richard sub-let premises within the company, which provided him with a couple of benefits, firstly, it was secure, and secondly, he had access to our client base, it was a very effective symbiotic relationship. Have a look at their site for more info, www.networkpresence.com.au The relative newcomer is Cloud Central, and there is enough hype in the media about them at the moment, I won't re-hash that info. The other thing that we have seen emerge due to email and the cloud is scanning and filtering companies, one who is based offshore, the other has a datacentre based in Perth. Scanning and filtering will be the new point of failure, both these companies are global, but having the ability to deal with australian traffic locally speaks volumes to the end users who are cagey about off shore data repositories and scanning facilities. Renai, the channel is of benefit to you from a technology perspective. I urge you to engage with the reseller community to see exactly what is going on at the coal face. David, Pete and Renai, this is why the channel is so important to the success of SME within the Cloud arena. Google have no datacentres in australia, you lose control of your data fairly quickly, and it exists in a server in another part of the world.

There are companies that are both local and relatively cheap in the perspective of how they operate. One is only new, the other has been around for a little while.

Network Presence is based in Sydney – they have virtual servers and hosting services, and are aimed as the catalyst between SME and their end users – they provide the hosting infrastructure so you don’t have to. The company is run by two locals, Richard Siggs ran a very successful ISP in Canberra called Spirit Networks, his partner, Andrew Mclennan runs an ISP on the south coast called SCoastNet. They both came from a company I worked at, many years ago, Richard sub-let premises within the company, which provided him with a couple of benefits, firstly, it was secure, and secondly, he had access to our client base, it was a very effective symbiotic relationship. Have a look at their site for more info, http://www.networkpresence.com.au

The relative newcomer is Cloud Central, and there is enough hype in the media about them at the moment, I won’t re-hash that info.

The other thing that we have seen emerge due to email and the cloud is scanning and filtering companies, one who is based offshore, the other has a datacentre based in Perth. Scanning and filtering will be the new point of failure, both these companies are global, but having the ability to deal with australian traffic locally speaks volumes to the end users who are cagey about off shore data repositories and scanning facilities.

Renai, the channel is of benefit to you from a technology perspective. I urge you to engage with the reseller community to see exactly what is going on at the coal face.

]]> By: David Banes http://delimiter.com.au/2010/02/09/cloud-emails-australian-thunderstorm/#comment-265 David Banes Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:35:57 +0000 http://delimiter.com.au/?p=819#comment-265 We're a small hosted business email provider servicing mainly <50 users at a time looking for cheap (<$5) 'Exchange' type hosting, that is Calendars, Contacts, push email on iPhone, Blackberry etc. For us local hosting just got too hard and expensive. We moved to virtualised (Xen) USA based hosting more than a year ago now. But I agree with Pete, Google are loading up the 'pipes' here in Au and it'll all come unstuck unless they engage the ISP's to ensure the capacity is there. We're a small hosted business email provider servicing mainly <50 users at a time looking for cheap (<$5) 'Exchange' type hosting, that is Calendars, Contacts, push email on iPhone, Blackberry etc.

For us local hosting just got too hard and expensive. We moved to virtualised (Xen) USA based hosting more than a year ago now.

But I agree with Pete, Google are loading up the 'pipes' here in Au and it'll all come unstuck unless they engage the ISP's to ensure the capacity is there.

]]> By: Glenn Irvine http://delimiter.com.au/2010/02/09/cloud-emails-australian-thunderstorm/#comment-244 Glenn Irvine Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:46:37 +0000 http://delimiter.com.au/?p=819#comment-244 Google Australia datacentres (and others) are all on the cards... As are something like 25 different Google projects that are underway essentially looking at Internet speeds. I posted an article last month on this... <a href="http://www.collaborativeview.com/2009/12/23/2010-the-google-v-microsoft-war-to-intensify/" rel="nofollow">http://www.collaborativeview.com/2009/12/23/2010-...</a> Google Australia datacentres (and others) are all on the cards… As are something like 25 different Google projects that are underway essentially looking at Internet speeds.

I posted an article last month on this…

http://www.collaborativeview.com/2009/12/23/2010-…

]]> By: Pete http://delimiter.com.au/2010/02/09/cloud-emails-australian-thunderstorm/#comment-243 Pete Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:35:28 +0000 http://delimiter.com.au/?p=819#comment-243 @Renai, @SHG: The other thought regarding any major cloud datacentre is what it'd do for the censorship. When the pollies realise ISP level DNS filtering doesn't work, and Google have a DC here would they go after that? I'd say pretty gosh darned likely (they're stupid enough to support the ISP filter to start with...) @Renai, @SHG: The other thought regarding any major cloud datacentre is what it'd do for the censorship. When the pollies realise ISP level DNS filtering doesn't work, and Google have a DC here would they go after that? I'd say pretty gosh darned likely (they're stupid enough to support the ISP filter to start with…)

]]> By: Renai LeMay http://delimiter.com.au/2010/02/09/cloud-emails-australian-thunderstorm/#comment-242 Renai LeMay Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:21:19 +0000 http://delimiter.com.au/?p=819#comment-242 @SHG There has been speculation about Google and an Australian datacentre for this. But I'm not sure where it's at at the moment. @SHG

There has been speculation about Google and an Australian datacentre for this. But I'm not sure where it's at at the moment.

]]> By: Pete http://delimiter.com.au/2010/02/09/cloud-emails-australian-thunderstorm/#comment-239 Pete Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:37:26 +0000 http://delimiter.com.au/?p=819#comment-239 @SHG: Both they (and Sun) came to the conclusion that there wasn't much market for them. From memory Sun no longer offer it as a product but will build to requirement. No idea about Google's. @SHG: Both they (and Sun) came to the conclusion that there wasn't much market for them. From memory Sun no longer offer it as a product but will build to requirement. No idea about Google's.

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